583. Energy Healing Red Flags, Green Flags, and How Spiritual Healing Really Works - Joanna Draus

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New Heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm so excited for you to hear this episode with Joanna dra. Joanna was on recently where we talked about spiritual awakening, and in this episode we specifically focus on energy healing. This is really practical and grounded info, which is essential for navigating the energy healing world. Get ready
for high quality information in this episode, and you actually might wanna take notes as you listen. And don't forget that Joanna and I are hosting a powerful group event on May 16th, 2026. So find out more about that at kara goodwin.com/joanna. You're not gonna wanna miss it. Joanna is an energy channeler and a healer spiritual teacher, and an intergalactic being who spent countless lives in

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countless worlds. And she says that most importantly, she's a spark of the divine, source of love and light. Same as you. And we'll begin shortly. But first I wanna invite you to explore everything available for you@karagoodwin.com. Be sure to get my book, your Authentic Awakening to Support Your Spiritual Journey, and you'll also find a selection of free guided meditations to strengthen your spiritual side. And I wanna say thank you for supporting this show Your likes, comments,
shares, and subscriptions. Genuinely help this work. Reach more people when you engage. You help uplift the frequency of the content and make it easier for others to find these conversations. So go ahead and hit the like button now while you're thinking about it. Alright, let's begin. Enjoy this episode. Kara: Well, welcome Joanna. I'm so excited to have this conversation. This is kind of part two of our latest collaboration, so thanks for coming back on Soul Elevation. Joanna: Thank

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you for inviting me. Kara: So we've got a lot to get through here today. So we'll just go ahead and dive right in. We're gonna be talking about energy work, also known as spiritual healing. So. Let's just start with if somebody is kind of new to what energy work is, what spiritual healing work is. I remember the first time somebody mentioned to me. that they were an energy healer and asked if I would want a session. They felt that they were guided to tell me that, and
it was a teacher and a workshop that I was giving. And she's like, I never tell anybody this, but um, I'm just really getting this guidance to let you know. And if you wanna have a session, can, you know, I'm here for you. And I was like, I would love to have a session, but I'm not sick. Do I? Do I need to be sick? Like, or do I need to be injured? I don't know what you would work on. And she was like, no, no. And I could see you're laughing. And she was so, she was just

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like, no, you don't have to be sick. But in case there's anybody listening, that's Joanna: Yes. Kara: Why would I need it? Joanna: Yeah. Yes. So, uh, I, I believe like, uh, energy work, uh, spiritual work, spiritual healing. There are so many, probably as many definitions as there are practitioners and healers. But yeah,
it's, um, like I believe we always have something to heal and, uh, it may be like physical, uh, you know, something, uh, in our body, our physical body. But, uh, most of, of the things that are like, um. Really, uh, healable energetically, spiritually are emotional, um, and emotional like traumas. Um, some mental blocks and,

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um, like, I mean like beliefs that we've been programmed with. All this is really easy to, to remove, to heal, um, using energy these days. Like, um, like as, as you were saying like a few years ago, it wasn't something, you know, uh, so popular. Right. And I remember, like, I first came across energy healing and I
started to learn it, although I didn't practice at the time, it was just theory. It was 1992. And like people were really thinking, my teacher was crazy. All the group, all the school was crazy. So, you know, like this was, this is like very, very new. And, but now there is a plethora of, of modalities of, of, uh, yeah.

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Of healing methods. And, and there will be more and more because I believe that, um, they're channeled. Like, you know, they are coming from the higher realms. It's not us people inventing them. It's like a divine inspiration or angelic inspiration, you know? And so there will be more and more because, um. I, I cannot repeat
it enough. We have so much, um, help from higher realms. I, I mean, we, humanity ascending, like, um, all the eyes are on us and there these beautiful beings who are cheering for our ascension and our healing because you need to heal in order to ascend. Maybe my definition of, um, energy healing, spiritual healing would be, um,

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cleansing, low vibrational energies, or you can say cleansing or transmuting them into higher vibrational. And because. When we, it's like cleansing or transmuting can be a both. Because when you cleanse, when you get rid of low vibrational energies, the higher energies automatically came in. It's like making space
in a very, um, maybe very cluttered room. When you throw out old stuff, old furniture, and you open the window, light comes in. Right? So this is, this is, um, like a metaphor you can use for it and Yeah. And low, low, uh, vibration energy. There are so many few things like, oh, low emotions like shame, guilt, blame,

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uh, fear hate, et cetera, et cetera. And can, it can manifest us, us feelings, but, um. When we are experiencing them for a long, long time, they often create physical illness in the body or disease that's like the, the root of the word. It's disease because you feel this, um, this, um, uneasy energies
for a long time and then your body can manifest them, um, physically. Kara: Yes. Well, let's, you talked about all this help from the higher realms and how does the five D into energy work and spiritual healing? Joanna: uh, yes. So like historically when we look at. Humanity before, maybe this, you

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know, our, our modern civilization. There was energy work. It was like always there, right? Like there were shamans, there were some, uh, witches and other, you know, other people who were doing high priests and priestesses. They were doing energy work. But I believe that now these days we have this, beautiful energies, higher energies
coming in. , Maybe in the past, spiritual healing, maybe could have, um, got bed drop because there were like, uh, spell work. You know, like curses. All this is somehow present in a collective consciousness and subconsciousness, right? So, uh, that's why some people are like, oh, you know, like they, they are not sure where to go. But

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now, uh, we can do the energy work just with five D energies, five d to make it easy. Like, let's say it starts with vibration of love. Okay? So love and everything above which is like more unconditional love and peace and oneness and whatnot. This is five D and of course there
are other energies. It can be six D as well. 70 D is for example. Um, angelic grounds so you can, you can use, uh, 70 D energies in the healing as well, obviously. Yeah, but just we don't, um, we don't need, but I, I think we shouldn't ever go below the five D level. We have all

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this available and that's why it's important not to do some strange, uh, old school stuff, you know, like, because people were doing stuff like for sure. Uh, this is like in culture, it's like written in our culture that they were using some entities to, you know, for energy work, et cetera. We don't do it these days. We don't do it. We shouldn't, and we don't need to because
we have angels working with us and ascended masters, et cetera. Kara: Okay. That's, that's a great point. No conjuring. That's very helpful. Thank you. So what are the, let's talk a little bit about the theories that are behind energy healing. What can you. What can you tell us about that? Joanna: I'm laughing because I always say that I really don't know what I'm doing. Like

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this is something like, you know, I think that, um, people who, because explanation and theory, it's all very, it's very 3D. Like intellectual or intellectual activity. So I think that people who may be closest to, to explaining this are physicists, like, uh, quantum
physics, string physics. I think these are the, you know, the, yeah, the, this is a science that can give us some explanation. Um, I have no idea about this field. Like, I, I, I'm not a scientist and I never even tried to be, this is not my, you know, not my vibe, but, um,

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I believe it's, um, so I believe it's explainable with science like, um. Like vibration, energy, et cetera. Like, um, simple, you know, very simple. Like, uh, not every day, but very simple example is when you, uh, have a glass, And somebody is singing, singing, and when they hit a specific vibration, they can break
the glass, you know, without touching it. Right. So, you know, vibration and energy is translatable to, to physical. So, you know, that's for sure. But when I'm, when I'm doing healing, and I think most of practitioners, we really don't look for, um, reasonable, uh, intellectual explanation because. It's mostly

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channeled again, so it's done in a kind of a guided way, and we don't really need to, uh, to understand, we need more to feel it because, uh, 3D no, 3D, no four D is like the reason, reason, cause and effect, you know, the, the, the, yeah,
the logic and, uh, yeah, the mind. And five D is much more heart centered. So in five D, you just, um, apply your energy, open your heart, and just let these energies again. Work through you. You know, it's a little bit like a trance.

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It's like when artists, when they create, right, they are not applying their minds to it. Usually they are just in their flow and they let some, you know, something flows through you and it's bigger than you. It's bigger than you and your client. It's like, wow. And so you just let it flow and this is how it's done. Uh, I think like, uh, Kara: Yeah, there are two things I want, I want to, uh,
tag what you've Joanna: yes, Kara: because one is the different types of healing in that there have been different types throughout history. And this point we're kind of, a lot of healers are channeling through kind of a unique blend, their owned unique blend. I'm Joanna: yes. Kara: I'm I've beco, you know, I, I've been certified in reiki and at the master level. And so the healing modality that

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I use is technically reiki. But I always tell new clients, I'm like, if you want pure reiki, please tell me. Like, if you're like, I'm really curious about Reiki and that's where you want me to focus, tell me, because it did not take very long in my healing work that I was like, okay, I mean. Reiki is a foundation. I still invoke the symbols. I still use the words and. But it very quickly, just like there's the technique as a
healer, you learn the technique, you learn the steps, you learn, you do this, and then you do this and you, you learn those things that help you to understand what it is. But once, but there is a shift that happens to practitioners where it's like, and it's the same, it's not even, even outside of healing work. You mentioned artists, like artists can go to school and learn technique and they can learn the how to, as they get used to

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that, they get into a flow and then something else comes in. So they're still using technique, but it is more than that and it's their own thing. And that this is anybody, a surgeon does this, a mechanic does this, a computer programmer does this. You learn the technique and then you adapt it as you Joanna: Exactly. Kara: it your own. And so. There's that piece of it, like as a, a healer and a practitioner goes through their own evolution, they're going to know like,
okay, here, like I said, Reiki is my foundation. I'll always use the symbols, but then, you know, I know how I was trained and I know how I do it. You know, it's like sometimes I'll be working on the heart and my hand wants to also, my other hand wants to go up to the crown and I want to focus on both the heart and the crown at the same time. And then it fe I feel that there's a big triangle. You know, there's like, um, and so I'm focusing on both of those places

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and I'm focusing on the point above and the line that connects those two places. wasn't trained in that. That just happened organically. It doesn't happen in every session, but when it happens, I honor it. Joanna: So. Kara: that piece of it. Which also flows into what you, the really important point that you were just making around being in the flow and how it is this, um, you know, we're opening ourselves up to God to pure source consciousness.
And I had an experience just a couple of days ago where I was working on a client and she had told me like what she wanted to focus on. She told me about what she's going through and she's undergoing a huge transformation right now. just shared this on a live, um, on Friday too, So. As I am opening myself up, you know, and feeling this light moving through, feeling this energy moving into her, and it's feeling very, like big and light filled. And

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then I noticed my mind come in and my ego, and it was like, oh, okay. So she's, you know, I could feel my mind trying to solve it and how I could make things better and, ooh, if I, I could, you know, invoke this, you know, whatever it was. I can't even remember right now exactly what was coming through, but it was like, it kind of what I was talking about. Sometimes I wanna connect different parts, but my mind started thinking about it I could feel, as I tapped into that, I was like,
oh, where'd the light go? I was like, was like, wow. My mind came in and the light just like that, that of light that I was in that was just flowing through to her as I sat, just as a like, just move through me. Just give her what she needs and trusting Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: comes in and tries to like, no, I really want this to be special for her. But it was like actually in, in that like coming into thought, letting my mind come in, it was like, wait a minute. I just turned something

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off. I want, but like, Joanna: Where is the switch? Kara: right. So it's like, wait a minute, no, I need to get that. And just trust again, get into like, just let this be for the highest good. Let like come in and do your work. And um, so I just wanted to reemphasize a couple of those points Joanna: Yes, exactly. Kara, like, I, I, I can really relate to this because
yeah. I remember when I was doing like first sessions, like first energy healing. I was always, I want to do the best session ever, whatnot. Even my intentions were like this, and. Then, uh, with some, you know, time and practice. I just saw that it made no sense at all. It's not about doing the best session ever. It is not like, you know, um, surpassing some limits,

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like climbing. No, no, no. Not at all. Uh, the, the only thing that really makes sense is for it to be for the highest good of all. And because you don't have to do like the best session. Like what, what even does it mean the best session? It's just your ego, you know, like giving you grades, grading your sessions, which
is so stupid, right? Because it's just. You need to do the best for your client, for yourself as well, and for the whole collective. We are all one. So yeah. And here we are, two five dimensional spiritual laws that I believe are just basis of all healing should be. It's the law of one. We are all one. That's what even

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makes it possible for you to connect to somebody else's energy and for them to, uh, get the healing from you, like for the energy to flow between us, right? And the other low is the low of grace, which yes, it's like the, the most sacred. Like whatever we do, let's do it for the highest good of all. And it's always like when it's the highest good of all,
it means your clients, yours and everybody else's. Because we are one, so, you know, these two laws are so, yeah. Uh, yeah, intertwining and it's very beautiful and it's very simple, and it just makes perfect sense for me. The, yeah, what you said that every healer, uh, gives, like, like they, they, they, uh, develop the modality. This is so true. And,

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um, it, it really all is flowing. Like now, for example, I see a lot of people, a lot of practitioners who say like, intuitive healing session, like, you know, they don't even have names for it because sometimes it is difficult and also names, uh, when we. You know, label something, then people think about these labels and this label means
something else for somebody. And it's like a big discussion and it, it becomes very four D like very, you know, in the mind instead of the heart. So yeah, it's even, even the names. And sometimes I think that, uh. Most of us, maybe all of us, like, I mean, five D healers like this, this club, or maybe 60, 70 healers because there are 70 people

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here on earth. Uh, maybe we are just doing the same thing. We just, you know, uh, label it differently. We come from different schools, different traditions, different stories, and that's why we label it differently. But in the end, I believe it's, it's just, yeah, it's just very, very similar, if not the same thing, which is like helping our clients ascend and,
yeah. When we want to ascend to five D like more and more, because it's not like you, you close the door to 3D, go through four D corridors and open the door to five D. No, it's like, uh, you are in five D for longer and longer increments of time. Right? This is, this is what's happening. So we want, uh, to help people, uh, to embody these five D energies more, leave

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more of more of the 3D stuff behind, uh, because this stuff is like, uh, this ball chain and if you want to ascend, you don't need volunteering. So you are just like getting rid of this luggage of these weights so that people can embody more light and love. Yeah. I. Kara: Well, let's talk about some of the mechanisms. What can you share about
what's going on behind the scenes? Joanna: I always say it's my higher self doing the, the job. So it's my higher self, I believe, like I don't believe, I just know it in my heart. So, uh, clients hire self and my higher self, they have this pre-arrangement, this agreement. So when the client comes across, you know, when they come across me and they

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have this impulse to, to book or to ask me some questions first, this is already, you know, it was like established, like they said, let these two meet. They, they can really, um. Do some good working together, it will help them and it would, will help everyone. And then I often feel like just a mouthpiece, you know, like I'm just
talking, the client is talking. But really these are the, the, you know, the, the higher selves doing the healing and also what happens, uh, and this is connected to what you said before, like, uh, that we as healers are growing. So this is what my teacher always said. He said, uh, he still says it like, uh, today I can do things I

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couldn't have done two years ago. So this is as we grow, um. We can just do more and more and it's not because we got another diploma or, uh, you know, like a course in healing. No, it's because as we open more and grow spiritually, we have capacity of processing more
light, more love. So it, like the stream is getting like wider and wider and we can, uh, send it, you know, to, to more of it to our clients. Right. , As I said, really honestly, I cannot explain how it's how it's done, but I can, I can say what is happening. For example,

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I, when was it? I think on, like three days ago I was doing a session and I had these, these, uh, headphones on my head and, uh, the client was, you know, like it was one-on-one and I was talking a lot about love and opening the heart. This was like the big, big,
uh, theme of this, of this, um, session with her and. Uh, Archangel Samuel came in, uh, he's like light pink, uh, ray, and, you know, helping humanity to open the, the heart chakra. And when I said unconditional love, I had this boom, like a big, big, very loud sound

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in bot. On both sides, and she didn't hear it at all. And it wasn't in the, like, in the room, it was in, I was like, okay. So when we finished, I told her like, uh, remember I told you like this archangel, like, she was really loud, like, come on. Because I got like, like a boom in body. And I was like, wow. Yeah. And it was, this happened for the first
time because usually, uh, it's like gentler, more subtle, like I can feel energy flow through my body. I remember when I was, uh, when I was at my beginnings with the modality that I'm doing now, which is soul records healing. There is a lot of, um, clearing of like low vibrational stuff like from past lifetimes like. Dark entities, curses, s all the

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black magic that somebody has been involved with. Like, you know, uh, I don't know how many. Yeah, yeah. Like thousands of like, like, wow. And I remember when I was, uh, like my first sessions, I was saying it because it's a, it's like a long list and you have to say it out loud, like, maybe you don't have, but this is the way I work. I say it out
loud also for the clients to hear, for their subconscious, et cetera. And it was like, sometimes I would be like, like speechless because I said something and there was like a big energy wave, like hitting me. Like I was washing me, you know, off the shore. to be quiet, catch my breath, and then. Continue because it was like so, uh, strong. And I, I

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remember when I was like, like really, really new to it, I sometimes was like, oh my God, will I be able to say it all? And I was like, no, Janna, you will be like, okay, ask your spiritual supports team for help. You know, they are with you. You will, you'll do it. And of course, I always did. But now for example, this doesn't happen. I sometimes catch a breath, but it's not like something like I know exactly
that this can happen. If, um, there was like in this particular, this person's energy field, there was a lot of it. Then sometimes I'm like, okay, that was a big one and let's continue. But yeah. But the boom in my, in my, this was so funny. I was like, okay, yeah. Kara: Let's move to, um, choosing a practitioner and a modality. How do people know who they should be working with? Joanna: Yeah, that's a, that's

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a big question. That's a great question. And I think like, uh, half of the humanity is asking themselves this question because it's like there is a plethora of, of modalities and healers and it's, uh, yeah. It can be like overwhelming. So, um, maybe let me start like with,
okay. I think that modality can be secondary somehow because it's really the practitioner and your connection to them. Which is so important, right? So, um, as, as we said before that, uh, the names of modalities, et cetera, they may not really, uh, reflect, uh, what somebody is

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doing, uh, may, and it's sometimes it's not easy to understand what they really doing, just, you know, reading the name. So really I believe that the vibe, let's say, of the, of the practitioner is the most important thing. Um, like I've been doing a lot of, uh, work with other, uh, healers, obviously, uh, because, you
know, uh, even healers need healing sometimes. And also in the past when I was studying, like I work with different modalities also to see what I want to do. What I want to learn. So I had to try a lot of modalities and, um, my, my take is like what I always would do before working with someone, I would check, I would check

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like the, the, I would like to see their picture and the best would be to see their video really. Because for me, this gives me a lot of information on kind of like, um, personality. I don't know, it's just like, are they my cup of tea or not? Because it's really this, it's so simple. Like, uh, all these, um, spiritual things that are
so deep and so high vibrational. I believe they are also very, very simple and yeah. So I would really, really go with, um, like gut feeling with, um, with my intuition. I believe, uh, diplomas are not important because so many new modalities are channeled and developed and everybody is doing like their own stuff, and it's changing

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from day to day. So I believe, uh, there are no schools that are, you know, like keeping pace with this. So I don't believe in any institutions like diplomas, like certified. I also, uh, I'm sorry to say it, but uh, like I've been doing this for 20 years. It doesn't really appeal to me. I know experience is
important, but, uh, this is not linear. This is really done from your heart. So the most important thing is for this practitioner to, for them to be in five D 60, 70, because this is mo the most important thing. So if they have their heart open, if they are really full of unconditional love, uh, they don't need

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any diploma, they don't need any experience. They can be very young. They don't have to be smart. Like, you know, it's not about, it's not science. You don't have to have written three books to be a great healer and you know, like, Kara: what you're saying too about the certifications. You know, there are a lot of certifications out Joanna: yes. Mm-hmm. Kara: and the thing is, sometimes that's a business Joanna: Exactly. Kara: to make their living is off
of like, okay, I'm gonna create a certification. uh, it's not to say that if somebody has certifications that that's some sort of flag, but it's just to your point about like, place, that's a, that's a 3D paradigm to be like, well somebody, they've gotta be certified in this or they have to be, you know, that, that, that's some sort of critical thing. I would let that go. And I know like a friend and a client of mine is a very talented healer and I remember

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she had not yet those skills officially and came to a retreat. That I was hosting and, and my co-host, she, uh, the retreat, she took, uh, his hand or his arm or something, and he'd been having some, I think it was arthritic pain, and she was like, may I, you know, can I take your hand? And she knew she had some innate abilities, but again, like, I don't think she'd even gone to like reiki training yet or anything. he was just like, whoa. And he, you know, he
was really sensitive to energy and he was like, I like what you're doing here. And, you know, she was, had not officially developed those capabilities yet, so this was like, quote unquote undeveloped potential that she now has gone through several different, you know, modalities and explored and gotten different certifications and stuff like that. But not, those things don't have those certifications are, I think they're more for people who can't get over yet

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the, you know, oh, they have to be trained in a certain way. When you really peel the onion. And look at what is going on with certifications. this is a business model a Joanna: Yes. Kara: do I in, because people are enticed by the officialness of it, Joanna: Yes. Kara: a better healer, in my Joanna:
not at all. I agree with you completely. And this is also connected with another thing. The programs like I am not into programs and it's not always like a red flag, but I believe that our role as healers is to empower people and not to make them dependent on us, on our services. That's why I am really

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working with every client once, and I know it's very an, uh, like uncommon business model because everybody's like, how can you do it? Like you should make them come back. And it's just that I feel that it's for their highest good to work once with me. Like if they want to come back, I'm not kicking everybody out. No, they can, but I
never ever say to them, oh yeah, you need to come back. And people are asking me, where should I come back? And I say, hopefully never, because hopefully now you spread your wings and you don't need me. This is what I want them to feel and I want them to trust and you know, like, uh, fly, fly to the higher realms, you know, like fly free.

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So, yeah. And uh, there are people who are really, really like making these programs. You need this, you need that. Then you can, that. I, I don't like it because this is very often, um, yeah, this is very often like, um, money driven, so that's, yeah. Mm-hmm. Kara: um, green flags and red flags. What should people be looking for in a
practitioner and what should they be aware of? Joanna: Okay. Kara: Like Joanna: Mm-hmm. So, uh, oh, maybe, maybe I should say start with something else because you asked me and I, I didn't answer it properly before because you asked me how to choose the practitioner. So the simplest way, in my opinion, the best way is to ask your spiritual

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support team. I always say it for everything, ask them. But really, again, and I just had this client who was like, uh, and she had some like, uh, bad experience with some energy work. We were also healing this, uh, in her session. And she told me, yeah, I'm so glad, I'm so happy I found you, Joanna. You know what? I was, uh, showering and crying in the
shower and I was like asking my spiritual support team, please, please, can I like, bring me a healer, bring me somebody I can work with, what would be for my highest good? And she says, within one hour I stumbled across you on Facebook and I booked the session. And it was like, it was perfect example. Like it really and it happens. So just. Trust, uh,

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trust in your guidance and also trust in your gut feeling right in your heart. So, um, yeah, so, um, I believe that these, uh, these practitioners that the, the good ones, uh, they should make you feel good. Like just looking at them or hearing them, they should make you feel
good. So if somebody is like scaring you, that's a big no, that's a big red flag. Like, uh, uh, Facebook, Facebook is like really, um. Full of, uh, people who are trying to scam other people with energy work. And, um, like there are also beautiful and wonderful practitioners. I'm

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very active on Facebook, but there are also some scammers. So, uh, they are like, um, people who will, for example, send you private message without you ever asking, right? And they are saying things like, mm, yeah, I can see you have this beautiful light, but there is also like some curses or something blocking and you really need
to hear this message from me. Like all this, like, wow, like, you know, block this person. Never respond, blocked it in the conversation, move on. Because really like, uh, no respected healer. Would like, you know, uh, send you a dm trying to scare you into working with them. Like this is like, so 3D Wow. Kara: and you get some,

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you get plenty also of, um, people who have bigger names or people that you may already be following who somebody, uh, creates a copy account and somehow, I don't even know the mechanics behind it, but you know, it, they've, they've done it with my account and I know that they've done it with, I've had it with other Joanna: yes. Kara: who then I get a message from and it's like, oh, I really feel like. like, we're being connected. Do you just, you know, putting it
out? I've just opened up a bunch of sessions or something, and then you see, and which I don't fall for those things anyway, but then you know that you'll see a message later, Hey, I've been hacked. Don't pay attention. I will never contact you directly for a, you know, a session or anything. So, Joanna: Yes. Though this happens to big names, but, uh, I believe small names, uh, they wouldn't do it either. Like, it's, it's not something you would do, which it's like you

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just said about the, the healer who proposed a session to you. So it's not like, never say never, but it was different setting, different situation, right. You knew each other. It was different. But you know, an anonymous person who just comes and also they, they get like all this, like they, whenever they
mention spell work, like, run away. Like please run away ancestors, because this is like, I, I don't even want to go to what it says. So ancestors, your ex spell work. Oh, also dislike. Promising A very concrete, um, definite result. It doesn't work this way. Like, uh, you will get your eggs back, you will get

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pregnant. You will get, uh, race in your job. You, you'll win what lottery, what? Like, it doesn't work this way because whatever we do, we do it for the highest good of all. For your soul's. Highest good, not for your ego. All these things that I mentioned are very ego oriented, like your soul doesn't need your ex pregnancy or all
these other things like no, really this, these are your human cravings. You are entitled to have them, but uh, it's not like. The job of, you know, of higher rems to, to bring them to you. And, uh, this is, uh, very, very funny because Okay. Uh, I can say from my experience as a healer, it was, uh, okay. I, um, had, I, I gave sessions

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to two women. Like it was very close in time, you know, and these were young women in their thirties. And they bought, said that one, they wanted to focus on love, like romantic love. They were both single. And this was like, and I said, okay. But it was like the first session. So there is no like, uh. Specific focus, the first
session, uh, I'm just, you know, hitting the basic stuff. The darkest, the heaviest. So then we can think about something else. But, uh, this was the, the, the first. And uh, I said, of course you can always set an intention, but uh, you will get what is for your highest good. Both of them got big business change and growth.

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But no, no romantic relationship. One of them got a founding for her company two days after we did the session. She got a founding for half a year from a source. She like, I couldn't believe it. She couldn't believe it. Nobody could believe it, but it happened. And the other one who, who is also a hiter, she just got more clients. But, uh, no lover, no romance,
nothing. Like, of course then something happened, but like we couldn't, like, we connected the business thing exactly to the session because it was just like, you know, happening directly afterwards. And I had a client who. Came for the session, like, I don't think, no intention, like just, you know, get his energy better, just ascend, et cetera. And he was like,

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because I know him. So it was like a friend and a client. He was like, I'm not interested in love. Like I, I know, like he had some story, he got his heart broken years ago, what not. Okay. And he was like, I love sex one night stands but love. No, no, no, it's not for me. So, uh, we did the session and it was the, the basic, the the one in which I'm not talking about like love a lot for sure.
I'm not talking about romantic love. And he, afterwards he was like, oh my god, what, what were you saying? Because I kept hearing it wasn't me, like he kept hearing and. You have so much love to give open your heart more. You have so much love to give, so much love to give. And we were doing it not online, we were doing it, you know, in the same room. So he heard this and I was saying my thing,

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whatever. Uh, so, uh, then he went through some, you know, stories of his and, uh, half a year, like few months later, he got into a relationship and now they are year in together and they are like, you know, darling, yes, yes. Kisses. I love you, et cetera. So, wow. I was like, and this was a guy who swore like, never, ever again. No.
So you see, so we don't, we don't, um, like it's very human to want this result, right? You, you have the reason why you want the healing, but, uh, let's leave some leeway. For your higher self, for your spiritual support team, because they really know better what we need and what will be like, uh, most important for us at the moment.

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That's why I never, ever, uh, promise people are, you know, asking me like, uh, will I sell the house or will I buy a house or whatnot? And I'm like, who am I to know? Like, I have no idea. I, I can only tell you it's going to be for your highest good. Also, um, talking about like, um, like red flags,
people who are not observing five D spiritual laws. So, uh, as we said, it's the law of grace for the highest good of all. You cannot. Do wrong. You cannot do harm. So, uh, if somebody is offering any type of healing or whatever, and they say like, yeah, these people, they did you wrong, or there is somebody

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who is envying you like, you know, somebody sending you bad energy, like, come on. It's not like this because in, uh, real spiritual healing, because I consider five D and above real one, we can, we are only helping everyone. We are not, you know, uh, like promoting one being and leaving the other behind. It's, it's
not how it can be done. It's like, yeah. Kara: Yeah. Um, so what about, is there anything you wanna talk about with pseudo red flags? Joanna: Yeah, yeah. Kara: like a red flag, but might be Joanna: Yes, yes okay, so once you, you found this practitioner and this modality, and you, you, you feel right. You feel in

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your gut, in your heart or whatnot, like, you, you, you, you feel it, that this is it, this is what you need. Uh, sometimes, uh, something can happen. It can look like, it can be your mind, your kicking in, you know, and trying to, to undermine it. Sometimes it can be even
something like in your energy field that is not, um, that is not, uh, on a conscious level. And, uh, so I believe once you made your decision, just go through with it. Don't change your mind. Don't start, you know, to, to think it through 100 times. Um, like I've seen it, um,

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with clients who, uh, book a session and I'm, I'm usually working online, like 99% of the time I work online. And then they had some, uh. Broadband issues. You know, like, uh, you know, the internet that was wifi was working perfectly on the day of the session. It's not or something. And I even had a client who had to reschedule because of it,
and she was crying and I said, like, don't cry. We will do it another day and for some reason, this other schedule will be better for you in the end. And I, I didn't know how to explain it in details, but I knew it. And, um, yeah, I had, um. I think twice a situation when I was like on a video call and we had to turn off the video feed, just stay

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on the call because the connection was so low. But we've, we've done it, and this is very important to do it. I had a client who said, who was like talking to me on like, I don't remember some messenger or something. She, she messaged me and she was like, yeah, let me book. And then she said like, I cannot find any credit card. Maybe it's a sign. And I was like, yeah, like, like I said, I
don't know, whatever. Because maybe it's a sign or maybe it's a sign or her of her internal struggle, you know, like, because there was this push and pull. Finally she found the cut and we did the session, but it took her longer. But also maybe this was better for her to wait, because this is a very important thing. Um. I will just say it now, that, uh, not to forget that the, the energy

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works from the moment you book the session. It's already in the making. It doesn't start on the, you know, when it's scheduled. It starts before. I had like a beautiful experience with it when I was, um, a client. And I had, uh, I had an, like, I had a lot of issues with my sons. They, they were teenagers at this moment, now they are almost, uh, 19, so it's better. But
there was a time when it was really hard and I'm a single mom, so it was like, woo, me and the two of them. And I, I, uh, yeah, I booked a session, especially to help one of them who was like, he was suffering and I was suffering watching him, and he was making me a little bit miserable as well. It was like a whole, you know, whole thing. It's teenagers and, uh, I booked the

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session and the issue, it, it stopped and the session was in five days or like in a week. And I was like, oh my God. And, and it's done. Like it doesn't happen like. It solved. And, uh, I talked to the practitioner because I, I went there of, of course, and she said, and I said, you know, that I, I don't even know what we are going to work on today because this with my son,
it's, it's done. And she said, yes, because you booked, and that's when it started to work in your energy field. And it was like, so beautiful. You know? So, and also it works longer because it's not limited to one hour or whatever, you know, uh, um, increment it, it, uh, however, how, how much time it takes, it's just longer because it keeps working, right? Yeah. Kara: Mm,

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that's a great point. what can people expect if they haven't had a session? How does it work in terms of the logistics? And, you know, you mentioned that you work virtually most of the time, and you know how, can people expect? , I mean, you've, you've addressed this already, but do they have to be there in person? Can they Joanna: yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm. Okay. Technically, okay. So, yeah. Um, it works perfectly. Uh. Like, uh, face to face online, uh, it works on, uh, on a recording. It can be group session, individual session. These things are really secondary. I had a session, listen to this. I had a session like long ago, and it was very similar to what I'm doing now, but the, the, the

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guy, he didn't even tell me what he was doing like this was, I went with him because I asked my friend if she knows somebody who does this kind of thing. I described and she said, yes, exactly. I know the guy, I did it with him. So here you have, and she gave me like his, uh, Facebook handle. So the only, uh, time I was in touch with him was writing
on Messenger, and he said, okay. Okay, I can do it. I can do it for you and for your children. It's okay. So, uh, let's say, I think he said a time and a day and it was it, and I paid him and then he said he messaged me. It's done. You know, like, but I trusted, and I know he's done like heavy lifting. I knew it because I was feeling it in my energy

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field, but this is something that I think very few people would do, right? Because people want something tangible. Like, you know, my, my daughter, when she heard it, she was like, yeah, mom, that's a great business model. She can just do it. Like say to 100 people, yeah, I'm doing it at this hour. Lay down and wait. Oh, and then he messaged like, it's done. But I, I really got like, you know, he was
recommended by a friend who is also a healer. With whom I have really, um, close karmic ties. So her recommendation was important, and also I felt like I felt afterwards, but it was a big, uh, yeah, like I, I trusted him a lot and yeah. And I, yeah, and I had another one like this. Yeah. Yeah. I had two healers like this. The other one was like, more, um, like on a regular basis for like a quite long

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some time. And we, we never talk, like we talk on the phone maybe twice, and then it was like a message, okay, lay down because I'm going to do this was really, really like this. And I, so I did it. But what, for example, me as a, as a healer, I want people. To have something tangible. So I, that's why I talk to them. I want this, I, I really cherish the human connection
as, as I'm working online, this is my human connection. Just like we are talking now, right? Like through the screen. But still, I want to see the face. I want to hear the voice, and it gives me much more information. And also because I work, uh, also with the subconscious mind, I believe that it's important to hear the actual words because subconscious is always

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listening. So that's why I talk to people and yeah, I always, I always work like this. I, yeah, I could say to somebody, okay, I lay down, I'm going to do this. No, but I, I prefer, I want this human interaction. Um. So, yeah. Um, what happens, ah, one thing which is quite funny is that you can fall asleep, kinda. It's like, uh, especially in a group setting, because when
it's one-on-one, this client clients, they are like trying to keep the weight. Although sometimes it's difficult. I had clients who were like really drifting off and it was fine. Uh, I had a client, uh, that when I finished the session, I, I wrote on the chat like, you are sleeping so peacefully. Okay. So if you have any questions, contact me. Just, you know, just take your

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time. I'm not going to even wake her up. I knew like she really needed it. This, this mechanism that is happening. It's also like when you do like, um. Uh, meditation and energy work combined. A lot of people falling asleep or drifting in and out, or it's like kind of trust. It's like a strange thing, but they are not like here now, like very, very conscious.
What happens is that their higher self is putting them to sleep, you know, because, um, it switches off their analytical mind so that it doesn't interfere with the healing. So some, if it happens, it is good. It is not bad. That's why you can listen to the recording while sleeping. And sometimes it's even better because you get it vibration, Ali, you get it, but

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your mind is not like, uh, going in circles, contradicting, uh, uh, dissecting every word, et cetera. You know? It just flows and, yeah. So, um, because I, I also offer people not only one-on-one, but also they can buy a recording. So then we, they can just buy a recording and it works perfectly. And then I tell them like, listen to it when you go to sleep. You don't
have to analyze it. One thing with the recording is that. Because it can easily happen. Never listen to these high vibrational recordings. And I'm not just saying mind like any, when driving or operating some machinery because you can get like, you know, like your higher self can try to switch your mind off so that you can get like really relaxed. Because the more

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we relax, the more we trust, the more healing we we experience. So also, you know, when you sleep like a baby, you are more heart open. Like you trust, you are, you feel safe because you are, you stop controlling everything all the time. And this really, this really promotes the healing. Yeah. Other thing, what can happen, you can get very, very thirsty and it's perfectly
fine because, uh, water is what, um. Helps us process the information, spiritual information. It's not just hydrating, it's just so, so much more. I think we don't even have any idea, uh, how big it is actually. And so lots of water, you can feel tired and this carry, you know, because this was your experience. I always say to clients that they can feel very tired

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because it's looks like, you know, two people just talking, but this is, uh, spiritual heavy lifting so you can really, really feel physically tired or emotionally or whatnot and yeah. Kara: Yeah. When we had our session, that was my experience and it was funny because we had our session so that we could, we had it before your first interview of mine on my show, and it was so that. I would experience
it and just to help us kind of make the conversation richer. And so I really wanted to stay with it, you know, I was like, and we wanted, we had set that in, like, we'd said, okay, once you're finished, let's talk about it. Let's ex let's kind of exchange what we had. You know, what you experienced, what I experienced, and you finished and you were like, don't say anything. rest. We'll catch up

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before our recording. And I, I didn't have to say anything, but, and I thought that I looked like I was engaged, you know, and I was, because I didn't know you. And honestly, you know, for me, I like to stay very, um, Joanna: Vigilant. Kara: sovereignty, you know, so Joanna: Yes. Kara: session with somebody I don't know. for me it's like, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm relaxed and I'm trusting and. If I hear
something that I don't agree with, Joanna: Mm. Kara: I wanna be alert for that. And so, again, like I was relaxed and I was being careful with myself. Um, but it was just very sweet. 'cause you were like, say anything. Go lay down, we'll catch up later. And I was like, oh my God, that's exactly what I need. You know? it was Joanna: Yeah, because this is, this is, and here, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna,

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uh, invoke these two, uh, five D lows again because this is like a perfect, um, application here. So the low of one, when I do the healing, um, with someone, I, I, I just feel, you know, their state, the state they're in, it's not like the, it's not that your face or whatever this is like, um, more, more of a connection like, um. Okay. Uh, let
me give you an example. I, I, uh, was doing like an online meditation group. Meditation. I was, I was, uh, guiding it and my sister was there, but uh, her camera was off and there was like, there were other people. And afterwards I WhatsApp her and I'm like, are you awake yet? And she was like, how did you know? And I just saw her sleeping while,

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and she said, but my camera was off. And I said, yeah, yeah. And it's my sister. So of course I knew, like, I was like more attuned to her than other people because she was the only one, uh, like, you know, my family. And I, I just saw her like, like snoring there with my, you know, in my, in my mind, in my heart. So, yeah. And the other thing. You said that
you were, um, like vigilant, uh, because it was the first session we did, et cetera, but this is like the law of grace. It really gets you, it keeps you covered. You really don't even have to do it. Uh, like I think I always say it, but even if the, the other party doesn't, you can just say, let it be for the highest good and then you know that nothing. Can,

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uh, yeah. That nothing cannot be for your highest good. That's why sometimes, um, like I think a lot of practitioners, they say if something doesn't resonate, just let it go. You know, take what, what resonates with you, et cetera. But to make it really super simple is for the highest good. And then anything else doesn't really matter because our,
our intention is really so sacred and so powerful. Yeah. Kara: So I do wanna talk a little bit about paying for energy healing. I feel like this is something that, um, people might have misunderstandings about in terms of this type of, of work. And when it comes to exchanging payment, what can you share? What are your thoughts on this? Joanna: Okay.

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Yeah, there is like, uh, there are some people in spiritual community who just say like, uh. People shouldn't pay for energy work. And it's like there is like a big division, you know, and I, I really, it makes no sense whatsoever to me because, uh, there are a lot of reasons like starting with like 3D reasons, like the healers, they
need, uh, you know, to pay their rent to, to buy food and, you know, take their children to school. Like, it's like they are not living in the cloud, you know, and eating prana, they live here and still 3D word is very, very present in our experience. Also things like, uh, when like. For sure. There are some people who were just born

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healers, but most of us, we had to study. We, we, uh, maybe we got some diploma, or maybe not diplomas, but we had to study, we had to prepare for it for years, we had to do a lot of healing on ourselves because you, you like, I think maybe there are, but very few very rare people who don't need it, who are just born like that. Most of us. Uh, it's
really through, uh, sweat and tears and, you know, it's, these are years that you invested going to retreats, uh, meditating, doing like being a client during healing sessions and before you were ready to step into this role. Um, what else? Uh, and also people say, yeah, because it's a gift, so it's like a God's gift. So it should be like, you cannot

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charge for it. Like, come on. Like when you are a painter or a musician, it's a God's gift too. When you are a great chef, it's a God's gift, but still you are, people are paying you for this, right? Like really it makes no sense. And now if we think like more four D, uh, five D even there is energy exchange. So,
you know, um, I believe there is always energy exchange. When I was beginning, uh, like a beginning healer. Um. I would sometimes give people very cheap session or even I would do a free session for my friends and ask them for reviews and feedback. And I believe almost every healer goes through this phase. But then

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you just don't do it because you, you are more established. You know what you can do and you know the value of your work. And it's like too much of a value to just give it like this. And um, like I was thinking, um, about this metaphor, like food, like when somebody is really, really hungry and
doesn't have money, you can go to a soup kitchen, right? But you wouldn't do it if you have money. Right. So you wouldn't look for like, uh, free energy healing when you can pay for it. And I believe if you would get it free, there is still some energy exchange and like you'll pay for it somehow

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because energy needs to balance out. So I believe, uh, this only makes sense and it's only logical to to charge for energy healing. And it doesn't mean that we are doing it for money. No, it's like a teacher who loves teaching children or a chef who loves cooking for people. Money is just a side effect, right? You do it because
you want to help others. You do it because you want to teach them or feed them or heal them. Kara: Yeah, I love that, you know, it. Um, it also makes me think of what is the world that we wanna create? And as a spiritually growing person, a spiritually awakened person, it is helpful to see people living in alignment with their

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soul. And so we do have this in the spiritual community. There is a lot of, you know, wanting to money to not be a part of it. I, you know, I don't like it when I see people who are making a bazillion of Joanna: Yes. Kara: work, especially when we have like Deepak who, you know, has been connected with Epstein and you're seeing this overly lavish lifestyle. And then we're learning, you know,
based on the emails that there's not, he, he doesn't even, you know, he's mocking God in it. and so then it's like not, there's no authenticity at all and he's just made a bazillion dollars. don't like that. And I, and so I don't wanna encourage that. But there's so much in between, Joanna: Yes. Kara: and just giving yourself to everybody not receiving anything. and that, and so, you know,

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I, I feel like people want, need to tap in more to what is the world that you wanna create? Do you wanna create a world where there are more healers, where people are rewarded for being healers, where they are rewarded for spiritual work? Where, you know, me as a content creator, I try to drive this point home. If you wanna be seeing more spiritual content, hit the like button, hit the Joanna: Exactly. Kara: this is what you wanna see. content that is spiritually
uplifting and help the content creators who are delivering that. To, you know, support that so that we do see more of it. Um, and so if you kind of look at it that way too, where it's like, oh, you know, we think about this with local business. I wanna see more local business, so I'm gonna business rather than the box store. know, Joanna: exactly. Kara: well, if a healer is helping you and they're keeping you from having to go to the doctor or the, you know, mental health

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that they're Joanna: Exactly, Kara: you don't have to go as often or whatever it might be, then why should the doctor and the mental health practitioner that you're trying to avoid going to be compensated, Joanna: Yes, yes. And also it's very important that, uh, if. You are like this starving and, um, sacrificing yourself healer. Uh, please just stop doing it if you are listening
to us now because really, uh, self-love is the base of all love. You need to love yourself and be healed enough, you know, to, to have this sense of self-esteem and self-love, uh, to help others, right? You cannot pull from the empty cup. Kara: Yeah. we're gonna be wrapping up here, but is there anything that comes to mind before we talk about our event that we have coming up on May

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16th that I'm so excited about? I feel so great about this event. I but it with this topic of e energy healing, is there anything that you haven't been able to say that you wanna really make sure you say Joanna: Yes. I think it's very, very important, um, for the clients because, um, the clients, uh, they feel great
at the end of the session. Like this is the basic rule, right? They need to feel much better at the end that they felt before, and they are in touch with, uh, five D, six D, seven D energies, whatnot, like really, uh, it's beautiful. So, uh, when it's you, please is remember this, cherish this, don't let it dissipate

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and just, you know, go away, um, because of everyday stress, et cetera, whatever energies you connected. Too during the session, you have this connection. This was like meet and greet. You can always come back, so please remember it, cherish it. Come back to this feeling on and on again. Because even the greatest healer,
they want ascent you. You are ascending yourself. We give you a boost. We give you like a ladder, you know, we help you step up, but you really need to keep doing this every day work, which is coming back to the heart, coming back to the beautiful energies that you have inside. Kara: Beautiful. I love it. And so let's,

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let's end with how to connect with you and let's talk about the May 16th event that we have. Joanna: Okay. Uh, how to connect with me, uh, my website, joanna dra.com. It's J-O-A-N-N-A-D-R-A-U-S. Uh, you can also find me on Facebook. I'm quite active there, so joanna drows yeah. Dot com or Facebook Journal, Drows as well. Kara: Beautiful. And to get information on the
event that we're gonna be having, we're gonna have a group healing. It's gonna be really beautiful. I'm so excited to be able to do this, um, as a soul elevation community. And you can learn more about that and register@karagoodwin.com slash joanna. And that's two ins in Joanna. Um, and do you wanna talk just a little bit about what they can expect with that event? Joanna:

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Hey. So yeah, I'm very excited too and it's going to be big and the energies these days are so, uh, moving so fast. Uh, I still am like preparing for it and I know it's going to be even better that I can think about it now with, if it makes sense for me. It does. Anyways, we are
going to, hmm. Clear. 3D energies, the energies that are keeping us from embodying, uh, five D um, from, from leaving more in five D, we are going to, um, leave all the heavy, balls and chains, uh, behind. Yes. And we are going to work with archangels, um, with dragons who are

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angelic beings. We are going to, I, I don't know who else will appear. Of course, your higher self and my higher self. Yes. And the monarchs also. The monarchs are very, very important and we can really connect. Also during this event, you will get like this. You'll get to meet your spiritual support team if you are not, uh, really used to, you know, uh, talk to them and, and contact, uh, with them on
daily basis. This will boost it, uh, very, very strongly, very powerfully. Kara: Wonderful. Well, I'm so excited. Thank you so much. This has been a wonderful discussion. Thanks so much, Joanna: Thank you, Kara. Thank you so much for joining me for this episode of Soul Elevation. If someone in your life would be inspired or uplifted by what you heard today, please take a moment to share it with them.