574. Ascension Symptoms EXPLAINED + Practical Tools to Navigate Spiritual Awakening - Joanna Draus

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm so excited for you to hear this episode with Joanna dra. If you listen to episode 5 27, which is her first appearance on soul Elevation, you'll already know how much I respect Joanna's work have personally found it very powerful. She's truly a high vibrational being who is authentically
working to assist people in their spiritual development. In this episode, we get into very practical explanations about ascension, and she shares powerful tools you can apply right now to help you in your spiritual growth. Joanna and I are gonna host a powerful group event on May 16th, 2026. So find out more about that at kara goodwin.com/joanna. You're not gonna wanna miss it. Joanna

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DRA is an energy channeler and a healer spiritual teacher, and an intergalactic being who spent countless lifetimes on countless worlds. And she says that most importantly, she is a spark of the divine, source of love and light, same as you. So we'll get right into this in just a minute, but I wanna invite you to explore everything available for you@caragoodwin.com. Be sure to get my book, your Authentic Awakening to Support Your Spiritual Journey, and you'll
also find a selection of free guided meditations to strengthen your spiritual side. And I wanna say thank you for supporting the show. Your likes, comments, shares, and subscriptions genuinely help this work. Reach more people when you engage. You help uplift the frequency of the content and make it easier for others to find these conversations. So go ahead and hit the like button while you're thinking about it. Alright, let's begin. Enjoy this episode. Kara:

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Welcome Joanna. I'm so excited to have you here today. I'm excited to connect again with you and I'm really excited about the, the purpose of our conversation today because I think it's going to be a very grounded discussion to really help people know. Some steps to move forward in these waters that can be confusing as we work on our spiritual development. So thank you so much for being here and welcome
back. Joanna: Thank you for having me here, Kara. Kara: So for people who are listening, if you haven't heard Joanna's first episode, it was actually a big listener favorite. So I don't have the episode number with me here, but I'll Joanna: I think it's, it was 5 27 because I remember it. Yeah. Kara: Okay, thank you. So if you haven't heard that one, I highly recommend you go back and listen to episode 5 27,

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which was Joanna's first appearance. That was a really powerful one, and if you haven't heard it, I personally had a session. That helped to clear contracts and karma and, um, of things I found so powerful. You can hear all about that in that episode. wanting to do with this episode is to kind of come back to, as we would say in English,
brass tack, some foundational things. Um. In terms of spirituality, so we're gonna talk about practical spirituality, and maybe we can start here with even the purpose from your perspective, Joanna, of why we wanna have this discussion. What, what made you feel called this topic today? Joanna: What's making me. Made me feel called, uh, a

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lot of things, actually some downloads that I received from my spiritual support team, because not going into details, my soul contract. So mission for this lifetime is to help as many people as I can ascend. So this what we are doing here is a part of, of, uh, yeah. My soul mission And yours too, for sure, Kara, because,
um, this is, this is a big, big thing to help others, right? To, to share what, what we can with them. Also I am, ah, yeah, I'm, uh, moderating, uh, two big spiritual groups on Facebook. So this is like my thermostat. I can see the things that people are asking about. So this is like from 3D perspective, because my

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downloads are like from higher rems. But I can also, like, I connect with spiritual community, at least on Facebook. And it's like, there are a lot of newcomers, like, I mean, not newcomers, but because everybody here is quite an old soul here on Earth. I mean, but people who are new to awakening, because they just realize they have been, you
know, on their spiritual path. Everybody is, we were all aware before we were born in previous lifetimes as well, but people are just now. Um, grasping it, opening their eyes to it. And so there are a lot of questions which, uh, to some the answers are already obvious, but I think we can always like, uh, say it once again and maybe it will

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be something new to someone or give more clarity because, um, having spiritual conversations in English or any other human language is challenging. We still don't have vocabulary for it. So, you know, I think saying it again, maybe phrasing it differently can always help. It cannot go wrong. Right. So this is my, yeah,
this is my, um, like I wanted hear today. I wanted to, um. State some like key concepts of spirituality and also give some practical tools because there is also a lot of misunderstanding. There is so much information and sometimes it's too much and sometimes it's contradictory. So I just wanted, you know, to share

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what I know, my experience, my downloads, my guidance, and hope it'll really, really help. Kara: With some clarity. Yes. I love that. It's, we're kind of, um, establishing a baseline with this Joanna: exactly. Kara: and I love how you talk about, you know, we, it may be things that people have heard before, but. There might be a lot of different information, contradicting information that people come across, which is absolutely
how, you know, people experience it. People have different lenses and motivations, and so you may hear. Something from somebody and then hear the exact opposite from somebody else. So sometimes it can be helpful just to get some clarity, get that foundation. And also sometimes we need to hear something that we've heard before, but the timing is important. So it may not even be, like you say, it may not be new information,

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but it may be something that you need to be reminded of in this present moment. So let's start by talking about. Navigating Ascension, ascension symptoms. This is a, a popular one where people wonder what, what that is for one thing, but also, you know, gosh, I'm, I'm feeling such and such a way and I can't pinpoint the root cause, or is this normal to feel this
way? What do you wanna share about as ascension symptoms? Joanna: Okay, uh, let me start with this, which, uh. It's quite funny. I find it funny, like I had this conversation about this with my, uh, spiritual friend and we just, uh, said this, that even people who have no idea that, that they are ascending, are experiencing ascension symptoms. This, I really find it

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funny, although, you know, sometimes ascension symptoms can be, uh, bothering, but still they are for our highest good. So, um, maybe I will just trace back and just, uh, say this very clearly, like we are ascending the whole, uh, planet and everyone, everything on it from 3D to five D
and the. The higher the dimension. So five D is obviously much higher than 3D. The more light and love there is, like ev we leave the dance, uh, stuff behind and dance meaning, um, low vibrations like hatred and fear, et cetera. And we go into light and love. But since Earth has been,

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uh, in 3D for hundreds of thousands of years, like there are also different terrorists about it, but let's say for a very, very long time, longer than we can imagine. I think that's, you know, simple enough. And, uh, so. There is so much stuff that we need to clear, and we were all born into 3D like,
I think, uh, because, um, the, the line was, um, the cosmic moment. It was, uh, 2012. So I think it's, uh, we, we are, we are still all listening, all the listeners, we are all, we were born into 3D And so, um, we've been living in, in these low energies and our, we've been programmed and conditioned

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to, to live in them and our nervous systems, our whole energy systems have been adjusting for years and years to these lower energies. So Ascension symptom is. What happens when our energy field, our nervous system, all our bodies, you know, like our mental body, emotional body, et cetera,
et cetera, all of us is adjusting to the new higher frequencies. So it's not like when we say symptoms, we think like disease, like something is wrong. No, these sym symptoms are really the best that can happen to us, no matter how much they can bother us. Still, it's very, very important to

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be aware of it and be, be conscious, be grateful for them because this will also help us process them and go like more smoothly. Through them. And, uh, yeah. So ascension symptoms, uh, they range, uh, like, like, you know, there is a whole, whole spectrum, but like the, the most popular one, let's say, like popular, not really, but the most prevalent
ones. Yeah. Common. Uh, like sleep disturbance. Like, uh, lots of people are waking up at 3:00 AM but sometimes there are also people who cannot sleep or whatever happens, like you are all sleep patterns. They are gone, like they are gone. Forget about them. And they, I think they are not really coming back. That's, that's my opinion. So, uh, this, uh,

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earring one year, two years, whatnot, like at some occasions, like, yeah, this, what else, what else? Dreams Like we were always dreaming. Everybody is dreaming. But now we remember our dreams. Finally, so many people remembers their dreams, and these dreams can be, uh, super vivid. And also they can be like,
uh, very, like we are emotional about them because they can, uh, I think it's because they have this hidden meaning like it's something to, to decipher and we are not sure, but we are, we feel that. Something is on, you know, there's something about it. And that's why so many people have these conversations

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about their dreams, which, you know, like, uh, I don't know, 20 years ago you wouldn't see so many. You wouldn't hear it. And now everybody's like, listen, I had this dream. Did anybody else, did you dream about it? So it, like 20 years ago, it would seem crazy to ask other people if they dreamt about the same, uh, thing. But now it becomes, you know, a completely acceptable, uh, conversation topic. And I really love it
because it's like, it's showing that we are, um, embracing and embodying these five D energies more and more. I don't know, should I say something else about energy, uh, about this, uh, like ascension symptoms, because I got so trapped a little bit. Kara: I think that that's all really helpful info and I think that, I love how you set it up before you started going into the individual symptoms where it is this, you know, there

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may be annoyances. There may be disturbances, there could be pain, there could be Joanna: Yes. Kara: pain. You know, I shared before we started recording, I'm in a lot of pain as we're recording this and it's in near my spine. I'm very aware of the energy of the spine and the importance of that in terms of the, um, convergence of all of our energy bodies. You know, Joanna: Yes. Kara: like you mentioned, we have. An emotional body. We have a mental body, we've
got a physical body, and the spine is really kind of what is those pla those Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: the center of our Joanna: Yes. Kara: Um, but there can be also, uh, you mentioned the nervous system, but there is an emotional aspect that goes with the nervous system. So I don't know if you wanna talk anything about beyond the physical in terms of things that people might be Joanna: Yes, yes. Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. So yes, of course. It's like,

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um, we are, uh, when I say we, I mean people in spiritual community, you know, the people that I, I am in touch with. I think we are all, um, coming more. Into connection with our emotions in general, because we are more aware and we are opening our hearts. This is like the most important part of ascension process,
really opening your heart or your heart chakra. And so we are more in touch with our emotions and may be good or bad, so we label them right, but just emotions, we are more aware and we feel them more maybe because we just start suppressing them that we were trained to do since we were little. But this is, this is

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good. And um, so this is, um, when these emo like this is where we can, uh, see very clearly that. Ascension symptoms. They can be like unpleasant, uncomfortable, or very, very beautiful and wonderful and we can enjoy them because if you feel so much unconditional love, uh, feeling your heart, it's like, it's wonderful. You want to experience this ascension
symptom forever, right? You don't want it to stop. So there are also these, because like seeing angel numbers, it's also an ascension symptom, right? All these synchronicities, like this beautiful telepathic communication, you think about your dear friend and they just call you like, so they are like the symptoms. They are not all bad. So this is, I think,

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important. I. Kara: Yes. Beautiful. Well, let's talk about, um. how things are changing, and let's talk about it in terms of paradigms, Joanna: Yeah. Kara: so people may have, I know with my experience, for example, my spiritual path has unfolded in a way that. surprised me sometimes. Were there things that I was really sure about in terms of the paradigm
that I had adopted and then I understood, oh wait, actually that's not the complete truth. Or it could have even been inverted truth. Um, do you wanna share about paradigms and paradigm shifts? Joanna: Okay. Uh, what I want to share is that we have to forge, forget all the old paradigms, like really throw them out of the window because there is so much

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difference the reality. I mean, difference between 3D and five D. The reality that we are creating here on Earth is a completely new reality. And saying it's a new civilization, it's an understatement because, okay, let's just imagine for, for the sake of this conversation that we are living in 2D world. So we are like a cartoon character on a piece of paper,
you know, just flat. Uh, and we are living on, yeah, on a sheet of paper. That's all our life. So all we know is to die. And then imagine getting out of this. Piece of paper standing up and being in a three world, 3D world, right? It's like, wow, what's going on? Like there is, you know, like height and there is, you know, like all these directions, like

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all this space, like what's going on, what I'm doing here. So now imagine 3D and five D and these are two dimensions. It's like we cannot understand it, I'm sure. Like no one, uh, can do it with their human mind. Like, uh, probably people who can somehow try to grasp it intellectually are like string
physicists. Not even quantum physicists, but I'm not one of them. I know nothing about it. So I'm not even trying, like I just know that this is something which is much. Easier to grasp with your heart, really not with your human mind. So that's why we have been seeing or hearing the glimpses of it

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much more. Like, much like in the before, before ev anybody even started to talk about awakening or ascension, we have been seeing the glimpses, hearing them through art, like music, poetry, you know, paintings like this feeling, this feeling that you cannot put into words, but that moves so much and
reconnects you to the heart, reconnects you to the universe, like also nature. It has always been there and always reminding us. So that's the feeling you get when you look at the stars, uh, sky at night, right? And you are like, this is big. This is beautiful. This is how you can really connect. And I think

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this is the closest we get to understand, maybe I should say feel, because it's not intellectual understanding, but understanding with your heart of these beautiful five D energies, it's so much bigger. It's like wow. And it's beautiful and it's moving you, it's touching your heart and yeah. And that's more or less, uh, yeah, everything we can say because
really like, uh, yeah, the words are, yeah. Kara: trying to find the words for it is really hard, Joanna: Yes, Kara: and it makes the way that you've described it too, it makes me think of the limitations of words, the limitations of the mind, but then trying to put words to it. One of the things that I experience through my spiritual evolution, let's say,

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is the how things aren't so linear, they don't move from like, this happens first and then this happens, and then this happens. It might be that something happens and then we, we have to understand it. After it's happened, and it might be related to our past, you know, it might be an understanding that comes in today that's related to something that we experienced as a child, the only way that we
can understand it is when we get it back into. it felt like to be a child at that time, and that even explaining it like that might not make sense, but I think that there are a lot of people who have experienced that, or you might experience that if you're listening to this. It may be like, I have no idea what she's talking about, but now I've set this up for you and. You will understand how, because

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that's, that always is fun for me. When somebody explains something and I'm like, what? I kind of understand. I understand the words you're saying, but I can't quite get there with you're trying to impress upon me. And then. And Joanna: Yeah. A wow moment. Kara: oh my God. Oh, that's what they were talking about Now I understand. Um, but it's things like that where you, you somebody can explain it, you can
read about it, you can watch a film about it, you can hear Joanna: You can ponder about it. Kara: Right, but it's not until there's some sort of shift that Joanna: Yes. Kara: may not be linear. Joanna: not linear. Kara: some way that it links you to your past or you jump into the future. I don't, again, Joanna: Yes, yes. Kara: when we try to talk about it with words, but something catapults you into the future.

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And you suddenly have an epiphany and everything connects and it's like, and you understand Joanna: Yeah. The domino, Kara: related to Joanna: uh, pieces falling, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you just, and you just touched on time, Kara, and there is so much more because it's, first of all, it's never like linear and also it's so multidimensional.
Like, it's like, like, uh. I don't know if holographic field, maybe this, uh, or fractals, like really, I have no words for it. I have some vision, some understanding, but you know what, this is what you just touched upon, that the words are not perfect at all. At all. We don't have a means to really express it precisely, et cetera. But

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when the other side, the other party is ready, they will get it. And you can, sometimes you don't even have to say anything. Sometimes it's just pure telepathic communication looking into somebody's eyes. And then, you know, and you understand and you can have a conversation this way. And this will happen more and more as we ascend. And when, uh, and. As well. When somebody
is not ready, you can try to explain it 10 different times, using 10 different metaphors. Like you can draw them pictures, show them graphs, whatnot. If they are not ready, they won't get it. And it's, it's okay because everybody is on their own path and, um, everybody is growing. Even people who don't know they are doing it, they are still growing and ascending and yeah,

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and coming back to these paradigms, like really, uh, we are so much more conditioned by the first part of our life. Let's say the part before the, the ascension started like officially here on planet Earth. And, uh, before our awakening. And also we have
so much like of, um, these old paradigms, which also translate to lower energies, old energies in, even in our DNA, in our bloodline because it's like, you know, this is such a, this lifetime, it's a very unique lifetime. We all lived like hundreds thousand

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lifetimes. We are all, uh. All souls. That's why we decided to come to Earth during this, uh, period of ascension, which is like, um, very, very special. It doesn't happen like, uh, I don't know about any other planet ascending, like jumping to dimensions during more or less 20 years. This is like unprecedented, at least from what
I know. And, uh, we came here, we decided to come here for this special, special lifetime. And in this lifetime we get not only to heal the self, you know, like Kara, Joanna, or all the, the listeners, no. Each one of us is also healing the whole ancestral lines and the collective to, to the extent that we can contribute to. So

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this is, this is, um, yeah. And this is also new. This is also new. So every time you, I, I'm thinking how to say it, you see again. So maybe every time you, you think about something that is happening to you spiritually, let's say energetically something is happening, you, you wonder, right?
Maybe you can ask yourself. Uh, because very often we try to use, uh, old tools, these old paradigms to understand the, this new reality. And it won't work. It just won't work. We, it's like bumping your head against the wall, really, because it, it just exhausts you, but. I, I believe that the,

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the easiest way is to really open your heart. Uh, you can sit with it in meditation. You can, uh, ask your spiritual support team to help you understand it, but bearing in mind that it doesn't have to be an intellectual understanding, it has to be an awareness, because that's what it's all about, right? Once you are aware of something, you may not be able to put it in words or explain it to somebody
else, but you can act upon it, you can embody it, and that's what it's all about, right? Kara: Yeah. And that will lead us into the trust. But before we get to the trust, um, something else that you Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: was, um, if they're not ready, if, if you're talking, trying to talk to somebody and they're not ready for what you're trying to say and there can be confusion, there can be

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frustration, um, in terms of like, I'm trying to convey something and they're not able to receive it, that makes me think also about. This, the planting of seeds. So where, wherever you are, if you're listening to this, um, in terms of not being understood, so trying to convey something and the person that you're talking to can't understand it, and maybe that's making them. you, and I mean, I'm thinking
of like a lot of people go through, have experiences where people think they're crazy for one reason or another. That's kind of something that happens. Like if somebody has no foundation for something that you experience that is more on the five D. Perspective, they have no concept of that, and so they have no way to relate to it. So they're, they may jump to, oh, because this doesn't exist in my

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reality, or I haven't noticed this existing in my reality that therefore whoever is claiming to have experienced this is crazy. But I've al, I mean, I've had that happen. But I've been on the other side of it as well, where somebody's explaining something to me and I'm, I have no understanding of what they're saying, and it sounds Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: and I have no frame of reference. And so I'm like, yeah, okay.
Either they're living in fantasy land, they're crazy, they're wanting attention, they're, but you know, it's like there's this block, like I can't receive what they're saying. And then. I catch up and so then you know how in however length of time happens to me. I suddenly, like you're saying, like from the heart, experience it. I, and then I understand what somebody was trying to tell me that because it didn't

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have that reference and I was trying to use my linear mind. I couldn't get it. But then suddenly it all really makes sense and it was just like there was a gap there for me. So you can be on. Either side of that as we go through this transition, as the old paradigms crumble and fall away, and we all start to experience new paradigms. I, I wanted to, uh, plant that seed also about sometimes when you come across
information. may be that seeds are just being planted, they will start to sprout later and vice versa, you may be talking to somebody and you're planting the seeds. So just be patient um, and enjoy that as it unfolds. Because I always find it really funny when I'm like, oh yeah, I remember I was judgmental about the person. Like when, when I came across this and now I get it, you know? Joanna: Yes, yes. And this is

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exactly, uh, using these old. Being stuck in the old paradigm because this is the old paradigm, is when somebody hears or sees something nobody else does, they are schizophrenic. Right? Or something is really seriously wrong with them. Uh, this Dolores Canon talked about it like, wow, so many years ago she said, we need a new, really new definition of schizophrenia because it's not so
simple any longer. Now everybody will be channeling. So what? Right? This is channeling is syn and hearing things nobody else can. So, hello and Yeah. You know, and this is true, and I, I've been on this as well. I know because yeah, there are people in my family who think I'm, I'm completely crazy because it. This is what I'm doing. I'm channeling a lot. And also this like, oh, they, they

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are, they want to be, uh, in the center of attention or, you know, something, right? They, this is also like, this is how we try to explain the new reality using, uh, the old paradigms. And this is not feasible. It's like, uh, yeah, like, I, I think I said it to you, uh, in this conversation that we had before, that it's like trying to
navigate new uncharted territory using old maps like. It just, it's just not compatible. Yeah, you can, you cannot. So let's just keep our hearts and our minds human as they are open. Just keep it open and that's it. And I'm not saying, and here we go with trust. I'm not saying that you need to believe everything everybody tells you or what

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you read, what you hear, not at all. But don't dismiss things just because you don't understand them. And also it's very important, like everybody leaves. I don't know how to say in their own word or on their own timeline. Like my private, you know, singular timeline is
slightly different than everybody else's, even people I live with because that's, that's how, just how it is. The reality as we, as we ascend to higher dimensions, the reality is like more multifaceted and also more malleable. So it's like everybody is creating the reality so

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much more. And that's why you can like branch and different timelines can branch out. Of course there is still co-creation because there is a big, huge portion, chunk of. Reality that we agreed about. That's why we live together. That's why we can even talk or see each other, right? We don't, we don't live separately, but there are some
facets, some aspects of the reality that is just yours or just mine. And it's perfectly fine. And we don't need to, you know, and we don't even have to explain it to others. It's enough that we love them and we wish them well. We love them unconditionally. And let them just be themselves and let's be ourselves. And let's trust in our knowing,

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our guidance, because these are two very big things that I see in, uh, spiritual Facebook. This part of Facebook. I'm sure there are others, but I'm not going there. So, uh, first what you said that people are like, oh, my husband doesn't understand me, my wife doesn't understand me. I'm going to the Ascensions, and they are so
3D or like, you know, I, I'm so alone, nobody understands me. My family thinks I'm crazy. No, it happens. It happens to the best of us, but let's just stop. Let's just, this is the, this is the advice I always gave, uh, parents when I was coaching vegan parents, when people were like, how do I explain it to my kid? Uh, like, this

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is not different with adults, I think until they ask. There is not really any reason to talk about it or you can mention it. And if they are not interested or worse, they are like, oh my God, what's wrong with her? Then just stop, change the subject because it it a disservice really to you, to them, to
your relationship. Like you leave your mission, you leave your, um, ascension, you embody it wherever you go, whenever you interact with others. May it be a conversation about weather or shopping in a local store. Your energy field is connecting with their energy field. It just doesn't happen on, uh.

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Verbal, you know, 3D level, you don't have to explain. You are shining your light wherever you go. Whatever you do, you are shining your light. If your heart is open, if you love them unconditionally, meaning even if they are very 3D and they think you're crazy, you still love them, then everything is perfect and you are helping them. You are helping everybody. You are helping the collective. You don't need
to preach. Okay? Kara: I love it. What about, because you're talking about the external, let's take it Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: in terms of, um, comparing to others and, and you know, the media intake and, you know, all the conspiracies Joanna: Yes. Kara: all this is like treacherous Joanna: Yes. Kara: part of some people's awakening process. Joanna: Yes. So yeah, this is, this is precisely the, this other

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thing that I want to talk with is happening. Um, so it's like, first there are two components that you touch upon because one is like the media and what's going on in the world. And the other one is like, uh, did it happen to anybody else? Like, comparing? So let me first go with comparing.
So people like, I, I think like maybe 75% of questions on Facebook spiritual, um, groups is like, I had a YZ happening to me, dreamt or whatnot, uh, happened in meditation as it happened to anybody else. I'm always like, it always makes me laugh because it's also a part of the old paradigm.

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You don't need to compare notes, you don't need to validate it talking to others at all. If you are the only person to whom it happened on the whole planet Earth, it's still valid. Even if nobody has any idea what you're talking about or, uh, can help you interpret,
it doesn't matter. The important thing is that it happened to you, that you know it to be true and it's part of your ascension. It's your path because each and everyone's path is very individual. And we are guided by our spiritual support team. Everybody has them and

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it's our higher self and the guides and the angels, whatnot. You can have like different members, you know, the team can, can exchange members with other teams, et cetera. Ascended, masters, whatnot. Lots, lots of beings of love and light that are helping us because everybody is cheering for planet earth to ascend to five D because this is like very, very, uh, unprecedented and difficult, what
we are doing here. So they, I mean, your spiritual support team, they know you better than you know yourself. And that's why your signs, your messages, your dreams will be highly personalized because. It. The thing that can mean something to one person can mean something completely different to another. And it's all fine because the message was for you. Your dream was for you, not for your best

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friend because it's not them who had this dream, it's you. So you don't even have to call them and ask them because the sheer act of sharing it and hearing the feedback, which can be like, okay, you know, they may not even say something, but you know, we are very sensitive to opinions or, uh, they
will help you enthusiastically and try to interpret it, but they will do it with their clothes, with their story, with their soul. It really makes no sense. You really, really need to trust. You need to know what is your guidance. You don't get the synchronicities. You don't get downloads to go

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to the, uh, coffee shop and talk about it with others. No. Your spiritual support team is talking to you to tell you something, and the best you can do is embrace it with like openmindedness, open-heartedness, and okay. My tip is the first thing that comes to your mind is the interpretation. It's that it's, it's what it's all about.
That's, that's for me. But maybe yours is different again. So for me, the first impulse, the very first thought that I often try to dismiss or undermined or just suppress it and cover it with 100, uh, rational explanations. Now, the first one was right. This is for me, for you. It can be different, but I'm just sharing. And so

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get it with this open heart, open mind, and thank them. Thank your spiritual support team. It's like saying Thank you. Yes, thank you more please. Because then this is how the. Conversation. This is how the communication becomes conversation. Because usually at the beginning of, um, spiritual awakening, it's like we talk to them, we may pray,
or we just like you, we want to manifest this or that, or, you know, we, we want a lot of things and we may ask for them, or we may, uh, wish like somebody, whatever, whatever we do. So it's just like we throw these messages, right? But we rarely hear back. But then we get synchronicities, we get dreams, we get visions in, um, meditation

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or, uh, we open a book and there is a perfect, you know, uh, answer to a question I asked a week ago. So each time it happens, and even if we don't know. To what it it is an answer to, but we know it really resonates and it's a message for us each time thank them and say, yes, I got it more please. Because for them,
it's not so easy to communicate with limited human mind, which is still operating, uh, very often from 3D thinking, et cetera. So this is like, you know, training each other how we can make the conversation more smooth. Like I, for example, asked my spiritual support team like 1000 times, like, uh, please talk to

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me so that I understand, because I'm like, I'm not sure guys. Like, it's too quick, like slower. Like when you learn a language, you know, and you are like, please, please, can you repeat it? But slowly I was doing it with my spiritual support team, and sometimes I still do because these downloads can be so multi-dimensional that I'm like, it's like, you know, a bump
dropped. And I'm like, what has just happened? Because I, I don't, I don't have time to, to process it. And I'm like, please slow it down so you know you have yours. And this is the most important thing. Always, always trust your communication. It is for you. You don't have to compare, you don't have to ask anybody else. And I think asking other people can be, um.

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Can be like, yeah, like detrimental to some extent because it really makes you, in the end, like undermine it, what you already know deep down, or, uh, just lose it during the conversation. Because also these energies are subtle. They're very like subtle, delicate, and you need to be in the space of calm and
silence to really hear them. It's not like you can go to a club and, you know, uh, talk to your spiritual guides, like sometimes you can, but it's like really very, very, you know, like really if you want to go, um, up there, like talk to them, you, you need to be in this five D state as well. And, uh, the

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human interaction, especially with, uh, anonymous people online is not conducive to a really heart to heart conversation. There are beautiful things happening. That's why I am, I'm, um, very active on Facebook and I know people help each other and it's beautiful and I'm always there trying to help, but sometimes, you know, people are getting, um, very crazy and it's
not always like, it's really more so you can like learn and understand, uh, learn. Yeah. Um, get to know so much more. For an hour of meditation and communicating with your spiritual team, then you can get from reading like 10 books or watching 100 videos on YouTube. Like really like, like guys, like let's be honest, like if you really want to listen to someone,

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don't make any person your guru. Like never like I'm not doing it. Like there are great spiritual teachers and I learned lots of them and I'm still learning sometimes and I'm grateful, but I'm not making this person might guide my guru because all my guides, they don't have bodies. They don't live here on earth. They
are up there. So you can learn things, you can learn facts from others, but don't. Make a person. Yeah. Like Oracle, they are not your Oracles like no. Like no. Your Oracle is your higher self and you are a part of it. So it's just the question of attuning and let's go now to the mass media if we can because we, yeah. So

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yeah, yeah, yeah. So as I said, videos on YouTube, so there are like, okay, being informed, knowing what is happening in the world is a 3D paradigm. Another one. That's my opinion, you know, like we don't really need to do it any longer because, and I'm saying it as an ex journalist and PR specialist, I've been like, um, really,
really, uh. Connected with the media world for years because of my work. And in 2005, I had to stop. No, I had, I could, I could stop watching me watching evening news and reading the papers. And it was for the first time in my, uh, professional life. So like for 15 years I had to do it every day. It was like my duty, it was

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part of my job, a very important one. And when I could stop 2005, I was like, that's it. No more news, no more papers, like nothing. And I've been living, like not watching news ever since 2005. So imagine this. I survived COVID with two children and one cat, and I somehow knew that I. Had to go to do big shopping, uh, like, you know, of, uh, non-perishable
items before the lockdown, because I was, um, during lockdown, I was living in Barcelona. It was really, really difficult. You couldn't go out to throw the trash without police stopping you. So imagine this somehow I knew just before it happened, I knew because you always have like family or Facebook or you know, a WhatsApp group or who not, or neighbors. And

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somehow when you really need to know, you know, and what I, what I think, like, I know there is a lot, I still know not following the news, but I, I realized there are wars and some other very, very, um, dark and, um, negative things happening on the planet these days. I believe if you are not, Like directly related either to your job, like it's your job to
inform others. So if you are a journalist, you have to do it. Or if you are working in an NGO help helping war victims, of course you need to be informed and you will be following this news because it's like what you do. But if you are not doing it, like, if you are not directly helping these people who are, let's say, in a country where there is war, okay? If

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you are not, uh, looking for information where you can send some supplies or, or, uh, humanitarian help or how to help, uh, directly watching this or reading about it, discussing it with others is not really helping. You or them. It's not because
it's like we're humans and we, we have hearts, we are compassionate. The more we are awakened, the more compassionate we are. So you cannot watch the, uh, the footage of, of war, right, without your heartbreaking. And this is like you are lowering

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your vibration. So if you think about the balance of, uh, light and darkness, love and fear, in other words, on the planet, when you watch this terrible footage and your heart breaks. You feel fear, sadness, despair, judgment because you think, oh, what they do is not right, et cetera. You are tripping the balance to the dark
side. It's like going to the dark side of, you know, the Power Jedi. You know, it's something like that because really this is not helping anyone. What is helping? Once you know it happens and you don't, you didn't have to even turn on the news. You would know anyway, because I know it without turning on the news, like it's

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unavoidable to learn these things on the planet. Uh, what would be conducive and helpful if you are not doing like physical, you know, sending money or, um, humanitarian aid, et cetera, or you're not like doctors with, uh, without frontiers or something. Would we just sit in meditation, like doing energy work
and picturing this part of the world, or just the whole our, our whole world, the planet Earth, like, you know, in, uh, golden light. And imagine the place, it, it, imagine it as a place where peace reigns and love reigns, and the these conflicts are no longer there. And just visualize it this way and feed this

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vision. Because whenever, not, whenever, wherever your focus, your attention goes, your energy flows, right? So if you give focus to the bad things in the world, like war and um, natural disasters, politics, whatnot, not with your focus. It's like you feed it, you feed it with your energy. In the five D word, this new
paradigm is that your energy is the most valuable currency. It's not your money. It's not even your time. It's your energy. So give your energy, invest it where you want it to go. So don't invest it into dark events, dark places. You can invest it in a vision. It's like, this is what how we manifest thing, right? Like

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think. It's done. It's beautiful. Everybody love one another, loves one another. It's all perfect human, uh, brotherhood of men, you know, as John Lennon sang, right? Because this is, oh imagine it's such a classic. It's so beautiful. Like five DI, this was like, so it was like, what, 70 or 71? I don't know where he made it, but long
ago. And he was singing about 5G word already. So yeah, like artists, they had these visions, uh, long ago. And another thing, so we said mainstream, ah, this is also important because this was about, the spirit was about mainstream media. So another thing, uh, I just posted recently, the spiritual revolution will not be televised.

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And this is, you know, mainstream media are fearmongering, right? They are feeding on the low and dark energies. So that's why following them is really no, um, not conducive to, to our ascension. And also, this is why you, you just see this brutal, terrible things. You don't see us
awakening. They don't talk about it, right? So another, another, um, um, reason not to follow them, but let's. Now think about like independent media. I don't know if they are, if anything is independent, so that's why I am doing this air quotes. But, uh, let's think like, you know,

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YouTube videos and spiritual, uh, sites, like there are so many like documentaries or pseudo documentaries or teachers or as we said at the beginning, so many theories that are very often contradictory, right? So, uh, even if we don't watch main media outlets, uh, some of us are going into rabbit holes. On this, you
know, not, uh, official media outlets and just, you know, researching another, uh, spiritual theory because somebody mentioned something and then I need to, so again, you don't need to know that's first. Like, really, you don't need to research, you don't need to check. You don't even need to try to understand, or,

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uh, you don't, you don't need to, to even think about everything that somebody says. Like people are saying, oh, I heard this. Somebody told me I'm dead. Like, or, and this somebody told me can be people who are not always, you know, prepared. Like, um, they can be well-meaning, but not always as well. So. Just
always, always use your discernment. Use your heart use. Use this like when it's like, if it doesn't resonate with your heart or if it brings fear and anxiety, just let it go. Just don't feed it with your energy. Again, don't go into this rabbit hole. You don't need to understand what other people mean. Think

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like it's your soul, it's your heart, it's your ascension. You are here to choose love over fear. You are here to choose oneness over judgment, and you are here to choose. Gratitude over complaining, and just go with this. Just always go with the light. Just go with the light where
it feels like light and fluffy and cozy and warm. That's where you go, and when it feels the opposite, just don't go there. Just don't waste your most important currency, which is your energy. Kara: I love that and, and I think it's an important point that, in, in the 3D we're really

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used to. Uh, we trust if a lot of people trust, so like the media for example, you know, if a lot of, if something's very popular and it has a lot of followers and it's like, wow, you know, millions of people can't be wrong, Joanna: Uhhuh. Kara: but then we take that same approach with. Spiritual teachings, and what I have found is that very often the people
with the major following, you're in for a surprise. Like what they are. Showing. I mean, we see this I Deepak Chopra, you know, perfect example. Huge, massive, massive following. And he's connected with Epstein, like, like very closely there. There's been a lot of Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: that have come out of the Joanna: Yeah. Pandora's box. Yeah. Yeah. Kara: Yeah.

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And um, even if people are not as extreme, I think that. We can look at, especially early in our journey where we're saying, oh, okay, well this person has, you know, look, this, this channel has millions of followers and. There's a fear element. You know, they're drawing people in because it's, it's like cat. It's preparing for catastrophe. It is using fear. It's
using the same things that the mainstream Joanna: Yeah. Kara: is Joanna: Same tactics. Yeah. Yeah. Kara: And, and it's making you paranoid. It's making you give your Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: to these agendas that are dark and, but it's under the illusion of spirituality or alternative Joanna: Yeah, it's a disguise, which is even, makes it even worse, right? Because

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they try to sell you something, sell you on something, uh, which is like, Kara: And it's Joanna: yeah. yeah. Kara: Yeah. So it's, you know, just be mindful. It doesn't mean that you only, you know, if they, you know, for me personally, the way it has shown over Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: taken me time to, for me to learn this lesson. But it is like my shields go up. When I see massive followings or massive, uh, growth that is
unexplainable, where it's like, wow, how did they grow so fast? Okay, that's not natural. I can tell you as a content creator that growth. Is unnatural. Um, and so it just, my discernment has Joanna: Mm-hmm. Kara: as I've engaged with things. And it is just funny because there are people who are compromised. There are channels that are compromised. They're saying that they're one thing, but they're not. But there's also

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this human tendency to get drawn in to lower negative, um. themes, you know, even if it's got that spiritual element or that alternative media element. Joanna: Kara, uh, because you said I need to stop you, please, because you said a human tendency, I wouldn't go so far and say human tendency or, or maybe I will just rephrase it because I
think it's addiction. Like we are addicted to adrenaline. Kara: Yeah. This is a Joanna: addicted to fear. We are. That's why people watch horror movies. Like, hello? Like I, I could never watch horror movies in my life. But now, for example, as my vibration goes higher, I cannot watch any crime. You know? I barely can watch drama because

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I'm crying to watch out. Like, you know, I was, I remember when I watched it with my sons when they were eight year olds. They are twins, and I was crying like that, and they were like, mommy, but it's just a movie. What's wrong with you? And I'm like, but it got sick. So I was always, always like a very sensitive and big time crier. Like movies, like what? Books
of course. But really even watching horror shows. It's also doing it because each time you do it, it's an addiction. So imagine each time you do it, you are feeding your addiction and each time you stop, each time you say, no, I'm not going there. No. Like not, at least not today, right? Like one step at the time. It's like a win and go somewhere else. Because,

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uh, in our human, um, yeah. With these addictions and these like old ways of living that we are so accustomed to, we do so many things like on autopilot and we really, really need to stop doing it. We need to be more aware and, and learn the new things because it's essential. It's beautiful, but it's an effort. It's not a given thing.
We have free will and we have luggage from like thousands of lifetimes and our ancestors and whatnot, and the whole, um, planet, you know? Kara: about the, the practical Joanna: Okay. Kara: That's a great segue because there are some practical ways and, small steps that we can take that are gonna accumulate. Joanna: Okay. So, um,

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there are several, uh, tools that are available to everyone at any stage of their, you know, ascension awakening process and yeah, so meditation, obviously meditation and, um, this is so funny because I started meditating in. 1987 I think. And it was so different and now it's so different for me it's always
like, what? So, uh, I just, I'm not going to go into meditation like for sure Kara, you have like hundreds of beautiful episodes about it and like people can find it. Like, I just want to say that there are thousands different meditation and you can always find a perfect meditation for you. And if you

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have a DHD, which I have, you can still meditate. I've been doing it for almost 40 years. You can do it if you have advantage or whatnot. Like you can always do it. You can find a way to meditate because there are many and, okay, that's it. I'm not talking more about it. Other thing, intention. I think, uh, this is very
important and very easy, and it's like overlooked, like people don't appreciate it. Intention is, is sacred. It's again, this giving my focus, my attention to something. And in you can do everything intentionally. You can, uh, meditate, you can, uh, go to the gym, you can do your work intentionally. Just do this like

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take one minute and set an intention. And I think the perfect intention is saying for the highest good of all, always because it includes your highest good, it includes everyone else, and it's just, uh. Such like a power horse for the ascension. So if we could do everything we do, setting an intention so that it'd be for the highest good of all, I think we'll
be like really quantum leaping every 10 minutes. Another one. Uh, being in nature, nature, nature, and once again, nature, uh, if you live in a city or like, it can be a park. It doesn't have to be like, it's beautiful when it's a forest or a beach or a field, but you, it can be a park. Like you can ground, you know, walking bare feet. If you cannot walk

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bare feet because it's too cold, hug the tree. I know people, some people will look at you like that, but still you can hug the tree. Just don't worry. Uh, this is, this is the ascension time. So, you know, people get to, uh, they get more and more accustomed to these behaviors, and if you cannot go out of the house because you are bedridden or something, uh, this nature, if you
can find it maybe with, um, like house plant or a pet or even a crystal, like have something, or even, um, I read about people who were like, really, really sick and they would watch, uh, nature documentaries, you know, and just connect with your heart. It intention again. If you cannot do it physically, just connect with nature because you do it intentionally. Um, water, water is

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like a big, big, big one. And it's not just hydration. It's not like, it's like it's so much bigger water, uh, these days is, um, it's a conduit of, um, spiritual information. That's why it's so important to drink plenty of water and bless water. I, I believe in blessing the water each time before you let, just hold it for a minute and just, you know, say, I bless you. I love you. You know, thank
you. Like very simple. It doesn't have to be an elaborate prayer, but bless your water and drink plenty of water. It will help you also. It'll help you ascent simply. Uh, and I don't really know how, but I know it will. And others, spiritual support, guidance, your spiritual supports team, talk to them. The thing that, uh, I said at the beginning, like, talk to them. Talk to them. Talk to them.

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If you don't hear back, keep talking to them. They hear you. Only the the other way, uh, you know, um, way back is some how, uh, sometimes difficult because we don't hear or we don't see, or we don't get it. But talk to them and ask them and, uh, ask them to, uh, communicate with you in the way that you
will understand. And, um, trust, self-trust, self-trust, self guidance always. When, uh, when in doubt or when anxious, when stressed, when you don't know what to do, or when you just feel lost. Put a hand on your heart, take a deep breath or two. And just consciously, you know, you can just think it

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like I connect with my heart space. I trust my heart. I trust my higher self. I trust my guidance. Just come back to it all the time. You can imagine your heart chakra like expanding and this color like light pink, you know, which is the color of like unconditional love. And you can just imagine that you breathing
this love in, breathing, love out, and expanding your heart chakra. And I think, uh, a big one is not taking ourselves too seriously. Like really we are. Immortal, eternal, powerful being like I'm talking about our higher selves, but we hear like Kara or Joanna or you guys, we are just like, uh, you know, a, a

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sparkle of this beautiful, powerful God-like beings. So our stories here, uh, they can seem, um, sad or dramatic at times, but they also funny if we look at them from, you know, the bigger perspective and no matter how hard the, the it gets, uh, sometimes there are, there are lessons in everything and we all,
but all volunteered, even if we don't remember, we signed up for this very, very. Difficult school, which is planet Earth. So let's just remember this. And this brings me to the last one, which is smile Like. If you please everybody on this, uh, listening to this podcast, please smile now. Like just for what?

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Like, humor me. Okay. Because really smile is such a great exercise. It's my favorite exercise. I hate going to the gym. I never go, but I smile a lot. And this is really because the impulse goes both directions. You know, when you are so, uh, like happy, you smile. But when you smile, your brain gets like, oh, why? So she's so happy about, okay, I
have to be happy. So really it works. Kara: I love it. Beautiful. Well, let's wrap this up with, um, one final comment when. That people can ha take control of in their own life, but sometimes we may need a boost of from somebody else. So let's talk about external help. Joanna: Yes. So, uh, external help, which, uh, is like spiritual healing, energy

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healing. I'm a healer myself, and I've been, um, also on the receiving end for years, and I've done a lot of healing. Um, I received a lot of healing from other healers and, uh, now I'm, I'm doing it. I'm facilitating others healing, and I think sometimes it is important to do it, even me. I would sometimes do some healing
modality with somebody else because maybe sometimes you just need to sit back, you know, in the backseat, just not, not be driving all the time. And it is very, very important, uh, because we are, uh, now living in, um, more and more in five D we are still oscillating. And five D uh, the law of one is so important. It's a

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spiritual law that says that we are all one, and this is precisely what enables us to do the healing for somebody or receive it from somebody. Kara: Beautiful. And we're gonna the, that's a bridge to the next episode that we're gonna do together because we're gonna have another one and we're gonna focus on energy healing. And so listeners be on the lookout for that. That will come out
shortly. We're gonna record that again soon. And then are going do, do we wanna announce? I think it's good to Joanna: Yes, Kara: a Joanna: sure. Kara: At a little announcement, so, um, I need to check the date here. It's in May. Joanna: 16th of May Kara: with me. What is it? The 16th? Joanna: I think. So Kara: Yeah. Let Joanna: just double check. I think it's May the 16th. Kara: mm-hmm.

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Joanna: Should I say something about it? Kara: Yeah, go ahead. Joanna: Okay. Uh, so, um, it'll be a group session. And, uh, I leave the technicalities to Kara, but I'm going to facilitate it and I'm going to do what, um, is called what I call soul records, healing
and soul records. They include a cache records, so all your past lifetimes, also your past lifetimes on other planets and this lifetime. And, um, we are going to get rid of rest of karma in this session. We are going to get rid of, uh, karmic debts and, uh, the karmic

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lessons that are almost completed. We will be able to also close them. And obviously we will, uh, clear any 3D uh, lower or lower vibrational like energies, entities, um, the spells or any dark magic that we, um,
were involved with in past lifetimes and anything and everything that is like, um, waiting and, um, preventing the fast ascension. This is, um, modality that gives you, um, quantum leap, like quantum boost to leap to,

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um, higher timeline. And really, uh, promotes the ascension to like mi miraculous, uh, extent. Kara: Yes. Oh, I think there something's going on with the connection. Okay. Joanna: Yes, yes, this can happen. We are going to talk about this happening
precisely this in the, uh, next episode. Hello. Like, yeah, I cannot, uh, hear you. Or like, the, the picture is frozen Okay, well, we got some technical interference. This often happens when the, when the vibration goes super high with the technology,

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just can't handle it. So, Joanna, please go ahead and tell people how they can connect with you and your work. If you guys want to find me, it's uh, my website, uh, joanna dra.com. JOA double N-A-D-R-A-U-S, and there is a blog. You can read more about assumption and about what I do, and also you can book your personal session with me. Thank you for
joining me for this episode of Soul Elevation. If someone in your life would be inspired or uplifted by what you heard today, please take a moment to share it with them. These are the conversations that ripple out and elevate collective consciousness, and if you haven't yet, be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the powerful episodes ahead. Your