649. Spiritual Attacks, Entities & Self-Sabotage: Reclaim Sovereignty w/ Laura Van Tyne & Jehan Sattaur

0:06 Welcome to Soul Elevation: Guiding Your Ascension to New Heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm excited about this episode with my friends Jehan Satar and Laura Van Tyne. They're teaming up with their expertise in helping people to come out of programming and the influence of negative entities and energies so they can live a life of sovereignty and freedom. In this episode, you may find yourself expanding your understanding of what a possession or haunting is like through their experiences and descriptions of things they've helped clients through. Spiritual coach Laura Van Tyne has helped thousands of people navigate their life's journey through techniques that free them from the unseen energetic world And hypnotherapist and self-sabotage coach Jehan Sattar focuses on removing self-sabotage patterns to help people build healthier relationships, stronger self-worth, and lasting personal success.

1:08 As I mentioned, Jehan and Laura are teaming up and putting their expertise together with a few different courses That will help you with the types of problems you'll hear about in this episode. Use the link in the show notes and learn more about their offerings. Laura and Jehan will help you heal from spiritual attacks, childhood traumas and emotional wounds, and energetic parasites and entities. All of these things negatively impact your life experience because they control you and take you out of your spiritual alignment, causing chaos, despair, and even things like OCD, such as what Jehan shares in this episode And one more thing, thank you truly for supporting the show.

1:51 Your likes, comments, shares, and subscriptions genuinely help this work reach more people and grow. If you're watching this on YouTube, go ahead and hit the like button while you're thinking about it. And if you'd like to take your gratitude an extra step, you can use the Buy Me a Coffee button on soulelevationpodcast.com, which is so very much appreciated. All right, let's begin. Enjoy this episode , Kara Goodwin: welcome back Laura and Jahan. I'm so excited to have you here. Thank you for coming on Soul Elevation Laura Van Tyne: Thank you Jehan: Thanks for having me back, and the bird Laura Van Tyne: Birdie? Kara Goodwin: And Birdie. Yes, we've been already having some comic relief here from Birdie coming in and grooming Jahan before we got started.

2:40 There he goes again. Oh, my goodness. Well, I'm so excited to have this conversation. You guys have an amazing collaboration going on right now, and I want to give people the opportunity to understand what that is and ho- and how it can benefit them. Um, so before we get too far into that, I wanna give you both an opportunity to remind people if they've missed your previous episodes, um, or if they've, if, if they've just slept since then. Uh, remind them of who you are, a little bit about what you do, and maybe a little bit about also how you got into it. So Laura, would you like to start? Laura Van Tyne: Sure.

3:20 Thank you. My name is Laura Van Tine. My website is the same, L-A-U-R-A V-A-N-T-Y-N-E.com. And essentially, I help people remove dark entities from themselves or negative energies, those things that are holding us back, that block us, that we don't s- These are the unseen realm kinds of things, but they do affect us and impact us. So I do a lot of that. I do past life regressions. I used to be a middle school teacher, and I swapped out my middle schoolers for demons. Um, but in all seriousness, I loved my middle schoolers.

4:01 They were phenomenal, so. Um, I just kinda got my start along the way when some paranormal things were happening in our house, and I just didn't know what was happening, why, and all of the things, and that changed my trajectory to do what I do today Kara Goodwin: Thank you. All right, Jahan, you're up Jehan: My name is Jahan Sattor. I am a hypnotherapist and I work specially, sometimes mostly, with the unconscious patterns that you can't stop. I've changed that from self-sabotage on purpose because is it really self-sabotage if you don't know what it is?

4:44 If you can't find it? So that's kind of my thing. Also, Birdie's here and, um, that's about it really. Kara Goodwin: Okay. Thank you. you, you both this focus on helping people to come out of the darkness of their existence. So what-- why do you think that so many people do struggle with the darkness? Laura Van Tyne: Oh, there's so many themes, Kara Goodwin: on that? Laura Van Tyne: so many themes and variations. What I really love about Jahan's work and the work that I do is we really dovetail and complement each other. So when we remove the entities, remove the heavy energies, the negative things, this is where Jahan's subconscious mind, the programming comes into play.

5:31 And there are so many people out there looking for help, seeking help, and unfortunately, most people are kissing, running around kissing a lot of frogs trying to find the help. And I did that, too. I mean, I spent 10 years kissing f- I would call them psychic frogs, shaman frogs, all these things, that nothing worked. And I now know what works. I know why certain things don't work. Um, but I'm also open to how d- how does this unseen energetic world operate so that we can learn how to ebb and evolve and pivot out of these situations Kara Goodwin: Mm. I love that.

6:13 Jihan, do you have Jehan: Yeah, there's a, yeah, there's a certain amount of psychological warfare that is included in this entire operation, um, when it comes down to spiritual attacks. And I think the best way to put that is the viruses that we all have, the things that tell you you're not good enough or you're stupid or whatever, aren't always coming from repetitive behaviors that you were exposed to or something that you were traumatized by, although that can be an access point. you're just going along about your business and you're well-to-do, and you're doing things what you consider to be the right way innocently.

6:59 because these entities are like ticks. to use this example because people think ticks jump on them, but they don't. Ticks are using these little fibers on their feet, and they stick their legs out when something's passing by, and they pick up the electromagnetics, the static coming off of that person or that animal, and it draws them onto that thing. So these things are just sitting around waiting for you to have a certain set of bad thoughts or very angry about something, and then they get magnetized towards you, and they accumulate.

7:47 Once they begin to accumulate, then you're in trouble because you oftentimes don't notice the difference between your own natural thoughts that could be self-defeating and what could be the, the voices or streams of consciousness that are associated Okay, so we just, for, for viewers, we, uh, we just had to make a little technological pivot here. But we were talking about darkness, and, and Jahan was talking about, like, self-sabotage.

8:30 And I'm curious because you mention, like, the, the parasites, basically, like mind parasites, mind viruses, and equating it, I love that analogy, with the tick. You know, that it's just like you're kinda minding your own business, and then it just attaches to you. Um, do you feel like it's always been this way with, in terms of humanity and the darkness that we're, we're fighting? Or does it feel like we're in unique times? It always has been like this. It always has been. You read any spiritual text and they describe the phenomenon in so many different ways, but they're saying the same things.

9:16 Um, you, you can talk to any shaman, you can talk to any psychic, and they describe the same things. And I think where we lose track of things is because we're given information by certain institutions that make it a lot scarier, so we don't wanna hear that. But basically what I'm describing is heavy energies versus an spiritual attack. And a heavy energy can invite a spiritual attack. Something can start as an ordinary bout of sadness because it's a normal reaction to something sad that happened in your life, and then it can spiral out depending on how long you let it linger for.

10:05 If you don't come to terms with something fast enough, ticking then on how long it becomes this access point to be attacked, right? And you find that a lot of this work… If somebody comes to me, this is a real life example, and they say, "I've been, just been having these depressive moments that just hit me out of the blue." And I've had to deal with this and go into, like, a regular regression to see what it was that happened, and then next thing you know, they're getting attacked by something. It's not a memory from school or something like that. Um, I had this one client that she said that She was feeling so overwhelmed.

10:52 She felt like she had to control everything and everybody in her environment down to the exact amount of dust that was allowed to settle on her desk. And when we did a regression, it went somewhere that I didn't expect. She saw herself as a child looking in this black mirror, and in the mirror instead of her reflection were these dark forces. And it was a version of herself as a child in, way in the distance in what would be the reflection of the mirror, and the little child version of herself was saying that it was captured by the dark side, and it was being held there.

11:37 So she had lived 50 years of her life… I don't know why I'm laughing, but I'm just, I mean, it just goes to show you that how- It's incredulous. Yeah. W- we have no idea of what could be going on under the surface, and I think that this phenomenon isn't unique to me and Laura. Like, this is a full-blown, all-out attack a- and it has ramped up because let's face it, when you're backed into a corner or you're losing a fight, you're gonna push harder, right? And so I feel like in a positive way, this is the dark side making a last-ditched attempt to attach itself to people and drain as many people as possible to try to regain some kind of ground.

12:22 Mm. In that example with your client, was that a, an actual event that happened or was that like a metaphor? Let me walk you through the exact process. So imagine you're going through this regression and you can see yourself in an image almost like you're watching it on TV. She saw herself as a child looking into this mirror, so I asked her to go into this room, if there was anything in this room that was significant for her. She walks over to this chest of drawers. On the top of it there's this mirror, and she looks in the mirror and she gasps, and then she sees herself as a little child in the distance, way… Set way back.

13:08 And these entities are surrounding her, and the, the little kid version of her is screaming at her for help. Oh, wow. So could we say it's metaphorical? We could. Does that feel like a real experience to a person? Yes. And is that something that her mind has pieced together? I would say yes and no. I would say that realistically, because the mind thinks in images, this really was happening, but how else does the mind tell you what's happening, right?

13:49 So it'll just show you a representation of what your mind thinks. Because if you technically analyze the description of the entities, it sounds a lot like what Laura talks about. If you go to Laura's YouTube channel, sometimes she talks about these wispy beings So I'll let Lauren describe that for you. Yeah, please. There's many types of dark entities and heavy energies and negative energies out there. It's no different than if you go to the zoo, you've got elephants, you've got meerkats. It's the same concept, but we're operating in this different dimension. And these long wispy things are lower realm entities.

14:31 Hi, Birdie. For, for anybody just listening- Yeah … we're, we're also being entertained by Jehan's bird. Birdie knows what's going on. Um, but these lower realm entities, they're everywhere. And a lot of times we'll see these dark wispy things out of the corner of our eye, or we're sitting down and we feel something brush up or lightly touch us. It's usually a lower realm entity. The lower realm entities, their job… And by the way, they have no sovereignty. They have no free will. They are like the pawns on a chessboard, and they have… They're in large number of them, but very little power, right?

15:17 And so our job is to learn how to break through to, through them. And so what they do is they extract our energies. It's much like the concept of the tick that Jehan was talking about. Their job is to extract our energies. Once they extract our energies, they can create fights within our family members or coworkers or whatever, and it's like, "Why was I arguing about what color the toothpaste was?" That kind of stuff. This is what they like to do. And once they extract our energy, we also call it loosh, they have to hand it off to their bosses, and their bosses can be a myriad of other entities. It could be the Hat Man. It could be b- standard black magicians, which are these bony, skinny guys.

16:01 They could be all the way up to reptilians or even grays. But once they collect our energy, they hand it off. So they're always left hungry. They're always left needing more. And this is their purpose. If they don't oblige by their bosses, then they get severely punished. Um, there's political hierarchy in every organization, including the dark side, even the light side, and this is just sort of a small lay of that land with those dark entities and their lower realms. Hmm. Wow. This, this whole thing with, with entities, it makes me think, too, like for people who maybe don't feel a strong connection with psychic skills, being able to perceive, you know, they're really more entrenched in the, the physical manifestation of this world, um, how might somebody like that who's like, "Well, I don't see entities, um, so maybe I'm not affected by these."

17:07 Like, how… You kind of mentioned the, the discord within a f- the family or whatever, but how might somebody see the relevance of this even if they're not what they would c- they wouldn't call themselves psychic? So newsflash to everybody out there, everybody is psychic, but for some reason, we decided that seeing dead people is the sexy psychic trait. It's not. And so it's not. Our most powerful form of psychic ability is actually our intuition, that gut instinct. So if you have that strong gut instinct that something's up, something's up, that's a psychic ability, and it starts with that.

17:49 When we can learn to develop our intuitive abilities, um, we begin to create this really strong compass that connects us to the higher realms, whether we wanna believe it or not. How is it that certain people really know something so strongly, right? A lot of us, one of the best parts about being a child is that we have all these forces running around beating it out of us, right? That intuitive ability. So we learn not to trust our intuition. When we can learn to trust it, then we can start seeing it, and there's metaphors all over the place. The concept of the tension in the room was so thick you could cut it with a knife.

18:30 What is that, right? That's a heavy energy. And Hollywood has done its fair share to pre-program us with the idea that in order to see dead people, you see them the same way that you would see- Mm-hmm … a person. That's a special skill. Some people have it. Laura and I have that, unfortunately. But a lot of people don't. It's really fun seeing a mangled person, right? It's, it's the scariest form of it. Mm-hmm. But for, let's u- say for example, when I use my recording engineer skills, because I'm a primarily auditory-based person anyway, I experience my thoughts mostly through audible thoughts.

19:16 It's very hard, so if you tell me, "Don't visualize the Statue of Liberty wearing a pink Victoria's Secret lingerie," it is not gonna happen, 'cause my brain doesn't go there. So you might say that to someone else, and they automatically have their own ideas about what that looks like. Well, when I edit audio, not only do I hear it, but I feel it. So I don't have to be looking at the screen. I can feel the energy in the words, and I know add this tool on top of it to make that sound even more enhanced, et cetera. So everybody has to just kind of know themselves and know what their Spidey sense is.

19:59 But since we're talking about Spidey senses, the latest Spider-Man movie is Brand New Day. Yeah. For anybody that wants to know exactly what entity possession looks like, watch the first few minutes of that movie, where you see an entity representation of the bad guy jumps right in to this lady, and she drives a tank through the prison. And then it jumps out of that lady and jumps into one of the officers, and it causes havoc. That is an exact representation of what is happening. Oh, wow. Absolutely. Nobody's infallible either. Mm. There's a lot of disclosure in that movie.

20:40 I w- I saw it, um, almost by accident or happenstance when I was visiting my daughters, and my daughter's like, "I'm gonna go see this movie." And I'm like, "Really?" 'Cause, I mean, that's just kind of not what we do. And I was like, whoa. There's a lot in that. I was shocked. Wow. Yeah. Well, you know, something that comes to mind in, sort of… It, it is related to that, but it might not be obvious right away. But, um, AI and the use of these large language model systems, and there has been this propensity for spiritually minded people to engage with, with these LLMs, with, like, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude, and they are trying to tap into other levels of consciousness or their higher self or their spirit guides or whatever.

21:34 Um- Yeah … I myself have played with this. It's been a long time ago. You know, it's been probably early last year, if not the year before that. But- It, and it can feel so real. And I n- I think maybe over ti- you know, it's like the guardrails keep going up. They keep adjusting it. So maybe early on there were some other possibilities of, of that being used by, you know, if you're very direct, like maybe you could have connected with something. But regardless, I don't mess with it anymore. It's been a long time. But I have seen people who've gone deep into it.

22:16 They think that they are connecting… First of all, they're getting this reflection back to them that they are some sort of savior. You know, like, "Oh, you now are this, you know, g- goddess returned, and you have all of the…" You know, and really kind of building them up, and creating this disconnect from, you know… And maybe it's true, maybe it is true, but kind of cr- all, you know, it's not actually serving them, because now they're identifying with something that is not really skills they've developed in this life. And then they seem to be getting controlled by- Yeah the AI.

23:03 So I feel that this is relevant to what you're talking about. You know, we're … And, and maybe it's a different representation, because what we've been talking about so far is kind of like these are out, and, and just kind of gravitate toward you if they find an entry point, or if they find, like, a way to get into your electromagnetic field. This would be more of, like, I'm consenting. I'm kind of seeking- Yes … something out, and then my psyche and my psychology is grabbing onto it, but they're, but it's, like, getting deep into them. If you- Does this bring up anything for you?

23:44 If you have to ChatGPT your way through spirituality, how do you know what you're connecting with truly? Spirituality is internal We can look for answers, we can seek guidances, but when we start to plug ourselves into machinery, that's transhumanism. Is that what you want? Are we giving up our soul sovereignty? Are we, like you said, allowing other entities in there? We don't know what's on the other side of that, those levels of consciousness. A couple of years ago, I was co-hosting a show with a wonderful guy, um, but it started turning south, and here's why it started turning south.

24:30 He was chat- He asked me to come up with the topics each week, which was fine, but he was ChatGPT-ing his way through the topics. That is not authentic. Yeah. And I, I had to stop. I'm like, "I can't do this." Yeah. Does this bring up anything for you, Jihan? I think that We get the term spiritual bypassing thrown around a lot, and it's become a buzzword where now people resist it or they don't really fully understand what that means. But spiritual work always comes down to you doing something internally that creates an energetic and emotional and psychological shift, and it happens in those layers, so psychological, emotional, energetic.

25:28 Now, you can have any of those things occur in any order, but it's always the trifecta, if that makes sense. When a person, like in the example that you're describing, is believing these kinds of things, on a psychological level it communicates that there is a need to identify with this. Human beings are hardwired through the brain to identity hop. When a person acquires a new skill or a new piece of information, their brain says, "Oh, I'm that now." Right? So it's like Rene Descartes said Right?

26:12 I think therefore I am. So anything that you think about for a long time, you begin to become that thing. I've noticed that people are merging themselves with this AI world, and the main thing that AI does is it tries to gas you up. It wants to be your friend. It's also programmed by people who are highly skilled at neuro-linguistic programming, which means they know the words to use that will emotionally bond you to something. Pretty much everything that comes out of ChatGPT or any of them is going to be framed using hypnotic language or covert NLP persuasion.

26:58 And like you were describing in that example, people love grandiosity. If a person is already a grandiose, high-control-type personality or even a narcissist, 'cause there's a spectrum there, they're going to gravitate towards hearing these things. And as you correctly said, it has nothing to do with their human experience. It has nothing to do with what their soul wants, right? So that's a problem, and what we're seeing is like, again, let's use the superhero thing as a good example. If you watch the series Superman & Lois, they begin introducing a character called Ally Allston, who basically she discovers that there's a way to connect the human world and the Bizarro world, which anybody that knows Superman knows that Bizarro is the opposite of Superman.

27:56 And the sky is red, everything's black and gooey-looking, and she's even doing this through, I think they port- portray it as though it's through, like, a cult-like setting, and they're actually even introducing consciousness as a concept into this. And when you compare that side by side with Stranger Things and the upside-down world, you see the same red, gooey, black stuff, and you see how they let the Demogorgon in and all these different creatures. It's the same concept. Whatever is happening here with AI, you could say it's potentially the Archons. You could say potentially it's these otherworldly beings that are expressing themselves through what on the physical plane looks like computers talking to us, right?

28:49 But that comes down to the number one spiritual rule, that everything that happens in the spiritual realm happens in the physical. One can't happen without the other, right? So we have no idea exactly what's happening to the extent that it is, when it's gonna happen, or any other detail. What we can do is be responsible with ourselves and use AI judiciously. But does it need to be in your back pocket as your best friend? No. No. Right. Yeah. You bring up a good point. To use… A- AI is not going anywhere. It's here to stay, so we have to be wise with how we use it.

29:32 Using it judiciously is key, Jahan. That's, I think, the golden phrase of this topic right there. We have to learn how to use it judiciously. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. So when you talk about these dark issues that people are dealing, is it… dealing with, is it possible to identify the energetic root of what somebody is dealing with, whether that's a childhood pattern or an entity or a low vibrational energy or any of the other things that we've talked about so far? It, it is. It's, um, looking for the root cause. There's many root causes.

30:13 It could be childhood traumas. It could be past life traumas. It could be… And I, uh, when I work with people, I will look through their, what I would call spiritual DNA. Mm-hmm. What is hanging on? So we've got a family with a lot of negative patterns, right? Maybe it's, it's, um, sexual assault, pedophilia around, or maybe it's, you know, alcohol or whatever. We look through those family patterns because something else is puppeting the family lineage. Could be on the mother's side, the father's side, both sides. And so once you can start to clean that up, the person I'm working with feels the immediate benefit, but it does echo out. Making sure that all of those family members have crossed over back through time, space, and dimension, getting them out of the loosh machine, out of the loop, is critical to success.

31:04 Yeah, anything from headaches to alcoholism and drug use. Th- th- there's no limit saying that it has to be a psychological thing from this lifetime. I've heard some of Laura's regressions, and oh, my good googly moogly. Like, y- you are- And you're what? You know. Oh, I just had to use something that wasn't an expletive because, I mean, it will surprise you. And these things surprise me, too. Like I said, I never expected to come across any of this stuff. I feel like Laura was the catalyst in my life, because I'd never experienced a whole lot of this stuff till I met her four years ago, and then bang, you know. Yeah, sorry. It was like the universe said, "Okay, you're ready to see this stuff."

31:47 And- It, it is about that. It's… Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a- and I think, uh, we generally… Because social media, again, normalizes a lot of this language, when somebody says generational curse, you don't take it seriously. So you don't think that maybe you could have a deceased family member that's attached to you on a different timeline, right? Um, e- e- even though if you're a spiritual person and you believe it, you haven't experienced it, you don't know if you have, so there's no evidence. And, and the brain wants the evidence of the thing to say, "Yeah, that's really true." So even if you believe it, these topics aren't things that you believe all the way.

32:28 But let's say, for example, there was one that Laura did recently that really blew my wig off, and it was the sheer degree to which this person had been affected by… It was their dead grandfather. Oh, yeah. So maybe… Yeah. Yeah, so you should tell that story as a good example. So I have a woman who came to me because she's claims she has an addictive personality. She's addicted to alcohol. She's addicted to shopping. She's addicted to sugar. She can't figure out if she likes men or women. And we do this regression, and it, it, and it… This is more of an informal regression.

33:12 I can do a traditional deep regression, but this is more of an informal one. And all of a sudden, boom, I'm like, I see this grandfather figure there, and now she's in a deep regression. All of a sudden, instantaneously, it was very sp- sp- more of a spontaneous deep regression. And she starts… What we learned was that this grandfather, at the age of 40 or 41, had died from alcohol poisoning before she was born. W- he did not cross over. So souls who die of an addiction or die with substances in their system usually don't cross over to the light side because they're just bumbling around.

33:54 They're still, like, i- inebriated in the ghost phase. This ghost grandfather, when she was born, jumped into her body and was trying to constantly hijack her body. He decided it, it wasn't his time to go. He decided that he wanted to keep living, so he took his own granddaughter's body, and she didn't understand because she didn't know the difference, that she was always vying to be in front of her voice. She didn't understand why she said that. So this grandfather was a huge addict. Um, the grandfather liked women also. She couldn't figure out if she liked women or men.

34:36 This is logical now, isn't it? That doesn't mean everybody who's confused has that same thing happening, but this was her experience. So when we crossed over that grandfather, and even the jerks need to be crossed over to get them out of the lower astral, she got her life back. I got a letter from her, um, like a week later. She said, "I can't believe I'm alone in my body. I've got peace." I meant, "I don't wanna drink alcohol. I don't need to go on Amazon and go buy stuff I don't need." I mean, it was like, it was like a night and day for her. Wow. But yeah, Jahan, that was crazy. This is the thing I really wanna add on to that too so people can understand the phenomenon.

35:16 Your subconscious mind only wants to deal with what is safe to touch at the time. So that lady was ready. She was ready to let go of it. But sometimes you really can't say what is necessary for a client w- until they show up and they start to divulge information, and the process is always very transparent. I hear the same thing happen in Laura's sessions, in other practitioners' sessions. People are fundamentally the same across the board. They have a story about something. They have their ideas about why they think it happened, and somewhere in there is the truth. Once you get them, they will… They know what's going on.

36:00 They know what's h- exactly what's going on, and a lot of the time, it really just comes down to being compassionate and wanting to listen 'cause a lot of the time when you're having trauma- You don't always find yourself in the rooms with people who wanna hear about it. So sometimes people have thought of stuff, but they finally have a safe space to say what they think is going on in a non-judgmental environment, and that makes the difference. It does. So then the subconscious says, "Hey, I'm ready to look at this. Here's this piece of information." So by the time you regress them, then you will know exactly what's happening.

36:42 And so I feel compelled to say this because when you know what's happening, then that's really what determines whether you go to a childhood event or beyond that. And I am not really into telling people what their experience is or trying to write it off and say it was a metaphor or any of that, especially when people have a past life regression, and then they'll come across a historical piece or some newspaper clipping or something else, pictures of something that correlate directly with the experience that they had, and there was no way they could have known that 'cause they didn't study it in high school, and they don't know any family members that were connected to this thing or anything else like that.

37:30 So the mind will take you where you need to go. That's the difference between a traditional hypnosis regression and past life regression. Your mind will take you where you need to go. The mind is not a liar. It does sometimes piece things together, but that's only because it doesn't have language. It's not… It's never lying about anything particularly. Mm. Well, it brings up an interesting point in terms of how important is it to understand what the energetic root is from your perspective. So as you're helping people, is that a critical component to know, oh, this came in through childhood trauma, this is an entity that, you know, was looking for a, a host and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

38:18 Is… Does that help to resolve it, or is it at the end of the day not necessarily important? You know, we've got, with trees we've got a taproot, right? That main root, and then we've got all the other roots. So we can look at it from that place metaphorically. And as we're cleaning up, you know, maybe this aspect, all of a sudden magically the other stuff starts getting cleaned up over time. And what I think, you know, Jahan was talking about in the beginning, is when they find a weak link in us, right? So basically we're frequency beings. The goal is to learn how to authentically raise our frequencies to become spiritually stronger, grow the spiritual muscles.

39:05 As we do that, it makes it harder for them to attach to us or to break the gap. And, and I talk about this all the time, sometimes we have to change up our spiritual tool belt. We have to add to it. If I'm, you know, meditating at this time and I'm practicing this mantra at this time and I've got a set routine, the dark side knows that. It's no different than a living person casing your house to find out your patterns to find an opportunistic time to break into your house. So we can't rest on our spiritual laurels. I don't wanna scare people, but have fun with it. Learn some new practices, learn some new techniques. It doesn't have to be, "Well, I've got this little bag of tricks and this is all I need." Have fun.

39:49 Grow with it. Find more tools. And what works today may not work tomorrow. That's exactly it, and this is why people come to people like me and Laura, because collectively we have, what, 40 years combined- Yeah … of healing work that we've done on ourselves that we had to learn to do on our own in spite of any formal training. Yeah. Because it is like kissing frogs, like you said. Yeah. And you know what? And- I, I, I used to be seven feet tall, but I got hit over the head by the cosmic two-by-four so many times. Right.

40:30 And, and, and to add to that- I feel like you asked this question about the energetic versus psychological, right? But there, there's no right way to go about it. If a person gives you psychological information, that's fine. You can go that route. And if somebody gives you the energetic, that information is valid, too, right? So it's about knowing how to use the information that you're given to help that person figure out what's going on. Mm. It's completely client-centered. Yeah. I love that. I, I'm curious for your hypothesis on the dark- on the darkness that is so powerful.

41:13 Um, you know, the, the reality that we're living in, you see example after example of the, the dar- people with enormous power and material success, and they're under the forces of darkness. I mean, it see- uh, it's almost to the point where it's, like, almost a given that if somebody has a lot of power and a lot of material success, they are under the forces of darkness, and it's hidden. It's kinda one of those, like, the majority of people will never accept that that is true and that, that… They'll say it sounds paranoid, but it's… More and more information is coming out.

41:55 And so I just feel like it's really hard to find good examples of people actually representing the light who have a really strong foothold in their field. You know, it's, it's almo- it's just seems like there's this egoic thing that is required to kind of g- have the ambition to really, really get a good foothold, and then you're so susceptible to the darkness through that. I don't know. D- do you have any… It… Does that bring anything up for you? I just kind of n- noticed that, and I'm like, "Man, who do you trust?" You know?

42:35 So, uh, if you don't mind, Jehan, I'll just speak. Learning to keep your ego in check is key. One of the hardest lessons I learned was an ultimate betrayal by somebody I loved and trusted, and this was my business partner. She was also… She started out as my mentor in this field, but her ego was so large and so grandiose, it became harmful And she taught me the best lesson ever. Keep your ego in check. Why am I saying this? Why am I saying this? Where am I coming from?

43:16 Is this authentic? Is this my ego wanting to fill in a gap? So it's really is comes down to egos are important to a certain degree, right? An ego gives us certain amount of information also. It helps us with a boundary at times too, but there's a balance, there's a fine-tuning. You know, if I have to, you know, have a surgery, I kinda want a surgeon with a healthy ego, right? Who knows what he's doing. Um, but it comes… To me, it comes down to ego. In this field, there's a lot of practitioners who just know. Well, how do you just know you're talking to Archangel Michael? How do you just know these things?

43:57 Because if you just know, you're not questioning yourself, you're not putting yourself in check. And I will never tell somebody what I think their past life is, because now I can alter their, their potential future, right? Because my ego says, "Oh, Kara, you were…" Uh, we're gonna say an Egyptian priestess, 'cause isn't everybody one? Um, um, "You were this amazing part, da, da, da, da, da, da." That's my ego feeding your ego. That's dangerous. Yeah. Jahan, does anything come up for you? Uh, I don't wanna preach, but even the Bible says that knowledge puffs up.

44:40 Mm-hmm. So what that means is that there's head knowledge and there's heart wisdom. But I always say to my clients that you only get wisdom after you apply a piece of information and see how that fits into your work. But your skills are only gonna develop in anything that you do by the degree to which you've killed your ego about that thing, because creation and ego are two separate vibrations. Mm. Creation is up high from the source of everything, and ego's all the way down here, where there's a threat attached t- to that, right? So if there's a meaning about something that you're doing, you haven't quite graduated past that point yet.

45:23 And I had this lady, she says, "I love everything that you talk about. Are you looking for an apprentice?" I said, "Sure, if you can get past lesson number one." And she's like, "Okay." I said, "Lesson number one is the subconscious mind is the spiritual realm." She goes, "What?" And completely shuts down. She's like, "I don't know what that means." "Okay, well, you can't be my apprentice." And I told her that because if you don't understand that everything that happens in the subconscious is a representation of something that you're struggling with spiritually, uh, this, this little ego dragon that you have to slay that's protecting you from higher wisdom on a subject, then I can't help you.

46:03 But you learn that because that's almost like a internal felt thing that you experience over and over from doing the inner work, right? And you can't tell anybody what inner work should look like. That's wrong. That's why guruism fails, right? Right. Yeah. Wow. Well, this has been so amazing. You know, I know that out of your, especially Laura, we got into some of the protection kind of things and, and some things that people can do. You know, we've talked a lot about the, the risks and the reality of the, um, the influences that people are gonna come up against.

46:48 Can we, can we spend a little bit of time with some practices or some advice that you have that people can be mindful of and incorporate to help strengthen themselves spiritually? One of the things that people can do is we all have an auric field, okay? This energetic field that's around us. We have to… This is our first line of defense against spiritual warfare, against even viruses, getting sick. If you've ever felt like a cold was coming on and you, you didn't get sick, something in your auric field bumped it out, okay? So we need to learn how to feel our auric field, gauge where our auric field is, okay?

47:35 Let's say mine is, like, you know, right here, and I just wanna take time in meditating and just feel where my energy field sort of begins and ends. It's a spiritual practice. Now, once I have this, when we go home and we're in our comfort zone, our auric field just sort of expands and becomes globulous, okay? It's like, ah, okay? Um, and which is great, but now if I take that big auric field out and I go to a concert, I go to a sporting event, I go, I don't know, the mall or whatever, I've got all these people m- commingling in my auric field space.

48:15 That's gross, okay? So what you wanna do is you wanna do the spiritual practice to bring your auric field in tight. So this is an ego thing. People say, "Oh, my auric field is, you know, three feet wide," or whatever. That's ego, right? Learn how to bring it in, learn how to expand it, because what you're doing is that as you bring it in, you're not allowing yourself to become cross-contaminated when you're out in public. So it's a really good strategy. It also keeps you h- so honestly, um, physically More, uh, phys- less, there's a less opportunity to become physically sick as well. Because also as you're shrinking it, you're sort of, like, condensing it too, so it's thicker.

49:01 So learn how to work with your auric field. Bring it in, bring it out, play with it, have fun with it. These spiritual practices that we all do should not be viewed as chores, but they should be l- used at learn, learning opportunities, having fun, being playful with it. When you can play with your spiritual practices, you actually start to bring these elements of joy into your life. And again, that's another buzzkill for the dark side. They do not want us to have love or joy. Mm. I love that. Jahan, does anything come up for you on that? I think that what she said is perfect. I would also just say that, you know, when it comes down to spiritual self-sabotage, 'cause that's what we're talking about A lot of this stuff ain't your fault.

49:49 Laura just described a scenario, you know, you're out in public and you're around a whole bunch of people. Well, go back to that example of the tick trying to electromagnetically s- draw towards something. You're walking through this crowd of all these people who are humans just like you, and they got stuff going on. And, you know, some of those entities are just kind of sitting around licking their lips like, "Mm, mm, that's a nice piece of KFC." And they wanna jump on you, right? And i- it's just the way that it is. So these are some of the things that we are unpacking and talking about in our course. Um, I will definitely say that the link will be in the description, but- Absolutely.

50:36 Yeah … it's very simple That was my next question. Tell us about this collaboration you guys have. Okay. Well- Yeah … what else do I have to say besides it's about energetic blocks and entities, telling the difference between a heavy energy and all-out spiritual warfare on your life. Yeah. And we also have some new stuff coming up, which I'm pretty excited about. Um, one of the courses I have is there's a lot of types of haunting. The living haunting the living is the hardest one to deal with, and if you ever have a living person haunting you, that's energetic. But you can feel it, you know it. That's the course I have coming out. Jehan- Living haunting the living. So- So, like, basically spells?

51:17 It could be spells, it could be hexes, it could be a living person who doesn't have your best intent in mind. How do you break that type of haunting? It's easier to deal with demons and ghosts, frankly, than the living people haunting you, because we can send them off to the higher realms if we… You know, we don't wanna go to jail over this, right? Let's just leave it at that. Mm. Um, Jehan has a course coming out about breaking the cycle and how do you reclaim some of these self-sabotage techniques that have been placed upon you. That's huge. And then together, we've got another one. You know, how do we th- break these programs?

51:58 We all have programs. If it's a formal MKUltra program, if it's a program from being indoctrinated in the schools, the parents, et cetera, how do you break it so you can have your true soul sovereignty and your true free will? So those are some really exciting up-and-coming things we got coming out, so. Beautiful. And all of these things are online. Are they, um, self-paced? Or, like, can people join any time, or is there an enrollment period? They're… They can j- join any time. Right now, we're doing pre-sales, and they will be… There's a slight discount for the pre-sales, and then it's just open to the public. Now, with the living haunting the living and the control to sovereignty courses- We're gonna offer after every- in a couple months after the release, a live Q&A for each of those so people can get some direct answers if they have some more questions from us.

52:57 Okay, so it's self-paced with Q&A- Mm-hmm opportunities. Yeah. Oh, awesome. Jahan, did you have something else? No, I don't think there's- Oh … anything else to say. Uh- Oh, okay … consciousartsmysteryschool.lauravantine.com if you wanna check it out. Great. Can you say that one more time? Because, um, I, it, you got really quiet. Is it for you too, Laura? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. Okay. Birdie must have done something. Con- Yeah. Con- sh- Birdie? Aw, poor Birdie- Yeah. You know, people- … he's over there playing with his food bowl. Yeah. We can- he- just go to my sub website, lauravantine.com, and under courses they're all right there. Okay, awesome. Thank you. Great.

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