567. Darkness of Music Industry Exposed | Hidden Control, Self Sabotage, and Reclaiming Sovereignty - Jehan Sattaur

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Kara: Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and I'm excited for you to hear this episode with my friend Johan. I've been on his podcast, boundless Authenticity, where we went deep into some interesting metaphysical experiences and in his appearance. In this episode, we talk a lot about the nefarious forces behind the construction of our
inverted reality, specifically in the music industry. And as the conversation goes on. We dive into self-sabotage, why it's so common, as well as how to work through it. Johan Satur is a certified hypnotherapist and former musician who helps people break free from subconscious self-sabotage with a background in additional healing modalities like C-B-T-N-L-P, mindfulness and Nutrition. He guides

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clients to heal deep emotional blocks and live with true authenticity. He's the host of Boundless Authenticity, the podcast that dives into raw, unfiltered conversations about healing consciousness and the hidden truths. Mainstream culture avoids. We'll begin very shortly, but first, I wanna invite you to explore everything available for you@karagoodwin.com. It's a sanctuary of support for your spiritual journey. You'll find my book Your Authentic Awakening,
a beautiful library of free guided meditations and resources to help you deepen your connection with your higher self. You can also discover the summits, workshops, and live experiences that are coming up, all created to help you expand your consciousness and connect with a community of like-hearted souls. And I wanna say a heartfelt thank you for supporting the show, your likes, comments, shares, .Subscriptions genuinely help this work, reach more people.

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When you engage, you help uplift the frequency of the content and make it easier for others to find these conversations. . Alright, let's begin. Enjoy this episode. Kara: Well welcome Johann. I'm so excited to have you here on Soul Elevation. We've actually tried to do this a number of times and you know, fingers crossed that we get through it today, but I'm so excited. Thanks for coming on. Jehan: I'm happy to be here with you. You're one of my favorite people.
Kara: Oh, well, likewise. And I've had such, so much fun being on Boundless authenticity with you being on a couple of times, and then even co-hosting, and it's been super fun and I'm excited to now dive more into your story because you're usually the one. Guiding the conversation. So now you just get to sit back and, and answer. And I wanna start with your awakening and, and what got you into the modalities that you use today and the interests that you have today.

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Jehan: To keep it short, I was a musician from very early. I started playing at 10 years old. By 14 I was teaching, and then later that year I got on stage, got addicted to it. I saw a lot of myself and what I inherently lacked on the inside in terms of my fulfillment and emotional needs in others. And I really saw it as a service to self type deal. So
that pulled me into that world. By the time I was about 17, 18, I was doing a lot of things that I guess were. Laid out on the path for me in terms of opportunities that were big record labels, recording, playing for other people, you name it. And um, I just seemed to shine at it naturally and I just followed that and I threw that. I got the opportunity

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to travel and to play across. I think I've played in about 22 different states across America and, you know, live the dream. Meet lots of people, have lots of experiences. A lot of them were very dark. A lot of the things that I went through were stereotypically childhood trauma related, and I just have always under the surface had this deep desire that whatever it is I did, it was for
the benefit of others, like sincerely. So. I think that has kept me going and that led me towards learning about cognitive behavioral therapy and hypnotherapy. What is the subconscious mind having a huge spiritual awakening, all those things. Kara: Yeah. Well, let's, let's go into your spiritual awakening. How, how did that show up for you? Jehan: I didn't have a spiritual awakening

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the same way that others would experience it. Not that I feel like I'm separate or distinct, but I knew that I was awake from very young. So I still remember having a vivid memory of the first time I became aware of the part of myself that looks out from behind my eyes and can see my nose and the world outside. When that burst into being and developed fully, it was like instantaneously and I was out in the
yard and there was this incredible stillness. I was about. Four or five, maybe even six years old. And that stillness seemed suspicious to me, is the best way to phrase it, because I was just playing like normal. And then all of a sudden things got brighter in my awareness, my vision, and I saw all these different dragonflies and stuff starting to come around me. So back in those days, my yard, we had that, um,

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that grass that, you know, you see the cowboys, they pick it and they put it in their teeth and stuff like that, that kind of grass. And I used to do that and I think I was probably doing just that when it happened. And it startled me. And I remember just having this incredible full body sensation and time just stopped. And then I was acutely aware of everything and everybody, and all their behaviors and all their emotions and my own very deeply. And life was never the same after that. So with everything that was going on
in my household, not to sound like a victim, 'cause I don't really consider myself a victim. You know how life goes, you get dealt certain hands and it's how you play those cards. I didn't know how to play those cards. I was surrounded by three narcissists. There wasn't a word for it back then. So if you told anybody what was going on in your house at that time, they'd just gaslight you. They'd be like, oh no, that's not a real thing. That's not happening. They're so nice. All that kinds of stuff, right? So that's what I

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had to deal with from very early and I felt like I had no one to talk to. And so I think I put a lot of that into reading and being very interested in religious texts. As it so happened, my mother was jumping from church to church, cult to cult. Um, trying to find some spiritual awareness. We would visit. With my family in New York and Florida and all over the place. And she would just buy books on books on books and never read
them. And I would scroll through them and look through what, you know, pictures and stuff, what I could understand. And I was very fascinated with Jesus and different things like that. So from very early I started to develop what I would consider spiritual fortitude. And I believed in the end Commandments very strongly. And that shaped a very strong moral filter, ethical filter from which I lived from, from very young. And so.

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You fast forward to when I was a teenager and it was the toughest time of my life because, you know, you become a teenager. I, I found out afterwards that a lot of my pissed offness on waking up was just being a human, trying to grow your brains, doing certain things chemically, and it made everything extremely amplified to keep it short. All the stuff that they were doing, all the bad things my father was telling
me about myself, all the things that my mother would say and do that would seem overly controlling and manipulative all the things that my evil, evil sister would say and do that where she orchestrated events just to get me in trouble or, um, tell me just disgusting things that she thought about me or whatever the case is. All those things just kind of. And then you throw a little, like, like you're making a, a

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tasty dish and you're seasoning it, you throw in some spices that look like out of body experiences because I was very sick a lot with, anytime I got the cold or the flu, I would ultimately have some type of asthma event that would take me down. And I would spend days in bed very ill on the brink of death. Many times I would have to be rushed to the doctor or something like that. Um, and I had a lot of experiences where I went outside my body, saw
myself in the bed, saw other people making commentary about it, and the way that they were handling things and all of those things from very young, I think changed my consciousness. Engineered my consciousness in a particular direction. So, um, by the time I was about age 17, I was just about done with everybody because the culture of my country's very toxic. It's very, um. Suppression based. So anything you say that's going on, that's not what's really

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happening. But that is all because of default conditioning won't get into that. Now, Kara: this is in Barbados, just for anybody listening. Jehan: Mm-hmm. Kara: Right? Jehan: Yeah. You know, people look at Barbados, they say, oh, it must be so beautiful and all that. It's like, yeah, the land is beautiful, but the culture. It's very toxic, very debilitating. And for anybody that has a tremendous amount of intelligence or talent, they don't stay here for very long. We always go outside to find ourselves, even
if we come back later on. But it's a very small mentality. It's like being in a prison and just not knowing what else is going on outside of you. Mm-hmm. You have a very small grasp on reality. Right. And there's something about it that's intoxicating that sucks a lot of people in. And so you try to speak to people about the way that you see things being and how the challenges that you're having relating to others, and you get told that that's not happening. You're just too sensitive, or you're a miserable

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person, or you know, gas lighting by tribe, as Dr. Ramini would call it. Um. So I had to fight against all of these different factors to find myself. And I eventually got involved in the cult of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I resisted alcohol because that was my father's drug of choice, but ended up becoming like him anyway, because I'd got to a point where I was like, screw it. I have done everything I could do to be a good person and
everybody's giving me feedback about myself that's negative. I could as well just try some alcohol. So I started drinking and then later on I was playing music with a group whose parents are part of the cult. Let's just leave it there. And I suspect that there was some level of engineering where that was concerned, because here, if you were a naturally talented person, they will pick everyone except for you. You have to work harder than

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everyone else to get your name out there, whether it's in business, music, arts and things like that. Author, anybody doing anything. If you don't join up with the powers that shouldn't be, you're ousted from the clan. And I always had a strong sense of integrity that I fought with and they're very jealous. And they were very jealous back then. So these guys basically got me into drugs forcibly. Um, one night I was just hanging out with them. We'd had
like band practice and stuff like that we were playing and they just, two guys grabbed me from behind and the other came in front of me and shoved like cocaine on the end of a, a guitar pick like this right up my nose. And they held me like that. So I got it, got all up in there and it burnt in like freaking hell. And, you know, I tried to wash it out and stuff like that, but I didn't realize that if he washed it out and you know, the water went down the

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back of your throat and stuff like that, you were screwed. So from then I was like, wow, this is awesome. Drugs are amazing. Like, I don't have to think about anything, you know? And like what I realized is that I wasn't even a drug addict. I was just trying to numb everything using alcohol and certain drugs, make it so you can drink more. You know, say the alcohol was cheaper and more available, right? So I wasn't a fool. Um, yeah, I mean,
so that just kind of led to darker and darker mental and emotional environments for me. I had a lot of experiences with darker entities, um, dark people. I had many brushes with record labels and people associated with record labels and things like that. Kara: And at this time, just to clarify, you're in America now, so we had talked about you were in Barbados, but when your music career Jehan: that all started, that all started from in

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Barbados. So all that stuff started from about 17, late 17 onwards contracts, trying to get investors in mu musical projects. Um, then fast forward to about my twenties, then that was when things got darker with contracts and things like that. And then by 23 or so, that was when I was having my, my breakdown and going into that mode where I just
wanted to die. And then after that was the America stuff. Kara: Oh, okay. So all of that really dark stuff happened in Barbados. Jehan: Well. Half of it. Kara: Okay. So, so from what, like 23, 24. That's when you went to America? Jehan: So 23, 24. I had another near death experience that changed me. 26 I was in America and having the experience of

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awakening because in Nashville there's a lot of spiritual people, a lot of creatives and stuff and, and you know, people will tell you different things that you never heard before. Kara: Okay. Jehan: So yeah, that's the timeline. So Kara: when you had that last near death experience in Barbados, can you talk a little bit about that? Was that, did that help you turn a corner? Jehan: That was the defining moment. Um. Long story short, I was trying to kill
myself because I just wanted out because of what I saw. Anytime I tried to get anywhere in music or I had little businesses and stuff too, I, I like tried my entrepreneurship thing. I had my real estate license. I had, um, a business selling body jewelry, all these different things. Um, session musician work wasn't working out either, and I just kept hitting the same ceiling and which is nasty. So I was like, you know what? I just should probably just die.

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That was where I was at. I should probably just be dead because nothing's working out for me. I don't see myself ever getting out of here. And that was really what made me try to commit suicide like three different times. And that was all within a year or two. And the third attempt, I got so pissed off because I came back from. I felt myself actually like my lost feeling and my limbs and things like that.
I felt myself start to slip away. And that was when I went into this space, it was dark and brown and murky. And I remember specifically two shimmering silhouette of what I would call beings on either side showing up. And it was like this type of energy where they're moving towards me, kinda like heat wafting off of a road Kara: moving Jehan: towards me. And something was being transmitted to me, to my

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consciousness. And I remember coming outta that experience and I was just never the same person. I was never, um, never hung up on the same thinking patterns. I was like, okay, alright. I get it. I get it, I get it. I gotta do whatever I have to do. And I, I remember when I first woke up from that experience, I was like, Jesus Christ, I can't even kill myself. Right? So when I saw that. Stuff in my
mind, however you want to call it. And then I said to myself immediately after, I can't even kill myself. Right? I put one plus one together and I was like, okay, this is really where I'm at. , I am just, I'm so sick and effing tired of this same bs. Kara: Yeah. Jehan: And that kicked open the door for me. I, oddly enough, after that kicked in the door for me, everything just started happening because I,

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people started showing up on Facebook. One lady's like, I heard your music on this radio station. I think you're really talented. I couldn't help but reach out to you. I hope this isn't weird. And I was like, Hey lady, at least somebody's talking to me. That's positive. Yeah. And she was like, that's great. I want to help you. I got shares in two gyms in Florida. My best friend's, uh, this bodybuilder, I'm not gonna call any names. She has a warehouse literally full of stuff that companies give her.
We want to send you some. So she sent me workout programs, protein shakes, vitamins, all this stuff. And I just couldn't believe it. But I was like, whatever is going on here, I'm going to take every opportunity because it's better than what I got going on. So she started to get me in shape. I was 265 pounds of pure blubber. I dropped about a hundred pounds in a year. Just following her advice. But she also sent me stuff by Wayne Dyer. And then I had other books that were on my mother's bookshelf

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that I started getting into. Um, and then people started giving me books, 48 Laws of Power, um, lots of Robert Green stuff. Um, one of my favorite books that was given to me was The Road Less Traveled by Em, Scott Tech, and then People of the Lie, people of the Light changed my life because I realized that the people that were around me had issues and it was never me. Mm. Shortly after that, people were like, Hey, I worked for this radio station in Washington. Heard, heard
your song play on the radio. I love it. You know, you got a lot of talent. Can't say the same for the people that are with you in the group, but there's something about you that's special. I want to help you. More and more people started showing up, I want to help you. And so I just got on a plane. Some, somebody over there applied for me to get a work visa to travel and play music. And I was like, all right. Kara: Wow. Jehan: All right. And I just never looked back from

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there. Everything, I just followed every opportunity because by then I was so tired of repeating the same old stuff that I was like, whatever happens, I'm gonna take it. Even like if I die, I die. Like that was my mentality. 'cause I've already died and come back like three times. So I'm not bothered now. Right. Kara: Wow. So then you go to America and you're properly in the music industry and I, I would
love to know more about this because I know where you are now and where you are now is based on where you have been and you're very knowledgeable about. A lot of the darker aspects of reality in terms of parasitic entities and cults and banking systems and, you know, a lot of the nefarious things that are under the surface of reality. And I feel that what you've talked about already has been part of

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the uncovering of that, but I, I believe that the time you spent in the music industry helped to shape that as well. So what can you share with us about what that experience was like for you? Jehan: When you say the experience, what specifically would you like to hear first? Kara: Well, whatever's relevant, but I, I do wanna kind of get to the, the, uh, what's, what's going on in the industry that people may not appreciate when they're
not in it. Jehan: So I realized, and uh, lemme just preface this by saying I never thought a day would come where we would have the Epstein stuff going on. I never thought a day would come where people would talk so openly about things like p Diddy, you know, different things that, or, um, go on in the industry because that all that stuff was suppressed. Remember, we're coming from a time, a very quick transition into everybody having

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this stuff in their pocket, right? So all of that was easily buried before that. But like I was telling you, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, I'm getting contract offers back to back every year do three times a year. I'm getting offers from people who want to invest in my group or me as a business, approaching me from record labels that are not even around anymore. They've been absorbed by the bigger labels. Um, and
so a lot of that was happening because of the whole Rihanna phenomenon who grew up just down the road. Like we could walk 10 minutes and we'd be at her house, right? So, um, it's like they're looking for people with no integrity. They're looking for people who have no spiritual fortitude and throwing some money at you, giving you contracts that say that you agree to sell them your likeness. So when you hear the

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words sell your soul, you're selling your image this. Kara: Hmm? Jehan: They take that from you. They market it. You have no say in it. They give you all the money upfront for production, distribution of your music, touring, all that musical instruments that you need, clothes that you need. They pay for that. They take it out of what you make. So you make nothing. Okay? You make absolutely nothing. Now you're coming out,
you're, during that time when I was a teenager, you're also coming out of a period where music was at its best and the industry was booming because of physical sales. Kara: And what year is this or about? Jehan: So when I say from, you're confusing me now 'cause it's like the timelines and the years and stuff are, Kara: so I, I've, I assumed you were saying your ages when you were like 17, 18, 19, or were you saying 2017? 2018.

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2019. Jehan: So, no, in, in 2017 and to 2019, I was trying to get out of the music industry ly. Okay. So prior to 2017, all that stuff was happening. Kara: Mm-hmm. Jehan: And that's when streaming was really starting to come into play and getting really popular and things like that prior to that. Right. So just for context, um. Around the time that, which
would be, let's see, I'm trying to do the mathematics here in my head. I might have to use a calculator, so I get to it a lot faster. 'cause let's see, so we are in 2026. Okay, so let's say around 2012, that was when there was a, a lot of stuff shifting and brewing in the music industry. And that was right around the time that I was like, okay, I want more

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and I'm gonna keep trying. No matter what happens, no matter what gets thrown at me, I'm gonna keep trying. So, and specifically in that year, that was when I had a contract and I met a lawyer and he was like, okay, let me show you what's in this. And he broke that down for me. That's when I learned about you're selling your image, you're selling everything about you to these people. And then there's no coming back from that. And then he actually went as far as to show me the exact clauses that were written in there. It
read like absolute gibberish, but it turns out that that's what it meant. And then he went a step further than that. He takes out his laptop, he opens up a video on YouTube and he's like, watch this video. And he is like, this is what you're signing up for. He's like, I have been trying to get out of entertainment law for a long time because this is what goes on and I don't like that. This is what you're sending people off for. Most people just wanna pay me the money and want me to shut up. But you are not that type of

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person. And I was think myself, what Kara: was the video? Jehan: It was a video by a channel. The name of the guy was far ahead Can, or something like that. I remember that much. And it was about the Satanic music industry. Hmm. Okay. And, and that's when I first realized all of this stuff is that's what that means. Like, Kara: and, and one point to clarify here, because people who, if, because for a lot of people, this is new it, you know, or,
or it's so buried that, or they've heard about it, but they can't accept it. When you talk about the Satanic music industry, you're not talking about music that is overtly satanic that like, oh, okay, I wanna be into Satan worshiping. So this is the music that I use. You're talking about popular music that is played on the radio that everybody's listening to, and this is the undercurrent of it. Correct. Jehan: To clarify succinctly everything

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from Lincoln Park to Whitney Spares to Kirk Franklin guest gospel music is inherently. What we would call satanic, and there needs to be a better word than that, but whatever they, they worship the entities that they worship are far worse than the picture of Satan that we are told exists. Okay? Mm-hmm. So when I'm talking about the video and stuff that I saw, that was the first time I was aware of the symbolism and what it
meant, all those different things. So he basically red pilled me so freaking hard that one day that it actually ruined me for a little bit because I felt unsure and I think that my default beliefs took the reins and I was kinda like, okay, alright. He just doesn't want to, you know, do this work for whatever reason. And you know, I'm gonna keep trying, right? But I took notice and it was like, once you see it, you cannot

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unsee it. Now I understand that there's going to be people that. Want to argue about this and say that what I'm saying isn't true still and all that. But I'll tell you this. Look at yourself. Look at your identity, because truth that threatens your identity tends to be filtered out automatically. Beliefs are rarely just beliefs, and they're usually tied to social belonging, moral identity, your personal history and your status within a group. So take a good, long, hard look at yourself because Diddy
really did what he did. You can't say that he didn't. He, Didi. So you know, when you see that stuff, ask questions about that because that didn't happen for no reason. This stuff happens on such a massive scale and has happened on such a massive scale. Like I said to you, I never thought that people would be talking about that, but I finally understood what was going on when he showed me that video with things that had happened in my earlier years. Especially when I was a teenager, and you would get

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investors and it was like this gay fashion designer, and he would invite just a bunch of young boys, myself included, over to his pool house for a party. We didn't know it was a party. We were told that he was interested in investing in our, you know, endeavors or musical endeavors or fashion or whatever it is. One person wanted to create a clothes line. You know, we were kids with big visions for ourselves, and these people exploited us, and
this was happening locally. Okay? So I had no idea that that was what was going on internationally, on a way worse scale. And I'm gonna name drop. You know, I didn't realize that there's people that come to a place called Sandy Lane here in Barbados and it's world renowned for it being this immaculate, pristine, luxury destination. Villas and mansions and stuff like that. I didn't realize that everybody from Magnum PI to Will Smith were, and

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Simon Cowell were going down there. Oprah, Pete Wentz from Fall up, I've seen driving his car. Uh, you know, I didn't realize all these people that you see driving around, they're doing dirty stuff down there, right? There's houses that you can't get to on a regular road. And I started to put two and two together because I remember having those experiences too, like the fashion designer guy to get his house, you had to go through some little track and he was like, how am I gonna fit my car through there? And
it was just like, bushes. So the way that they do this stuff is dirty and it's apparently going on everywhere. So. I finally unpacked a lot of those experiences, tried to make my, my peace with it, and tried to move on for the sake of having passion and drive and fulfillment, doing something that I saw as service to self. But it just kept being the same ceiling over and over again. You get to a room full of people who want to invest, there's a contract, right? You're not black enough, you're not white enough,

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you're not Jewish enough, you're not, um, morally and spiritually bankrupt enough. You know, we want to take you to dinner and we, you know, I they, these people are so good at profiling you, hmm, that if you don't bend to their will, the first two or three times they start sending women that look like what they think you like. They start looking for your little weaknesses and you know, how can I get him to be a little bit nicer to us? And. I've had both man and a woman reach across
the table and try to grab my hand in a, a flirtatious way and say, you wanna go upstairs? And, and that wasn't for me. I was like, uh, no, we don't do that. Wow. We don't do that here. And so experiences like that just kept repeating. I've been in rooms with, can't call any names because some of them are still my friends, some of them still try to get me back into the music industry, but I've pretty much stood my ground and said, I am not getting involved in that system anymore.

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Some of them, they know what's going on a hundred percent. They know what's going on and they just take the money because they're in positions to produce and mix and master records and stuff like that. So they're, they don't have to go to the parties. They don't have to get involved on that level. But if they speak out, they'll lose business. Right. So, um, I mean, it's tough to talk about it and, um. Because people want to hear names,
they want to hear specifics, you know? But I would ruin a lot of people's careers if I said anything about that. So I can't call any names, but I know what goes on. 'cause I've been in rooms and parties and this is now in America. And so, just to give context, this is now in America, age 25, 26, 27, 28. I'm repeatedly re reaching these same hurdles where it's like, you, you gotta, you know, what are you willing to do? That kind of

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question. What are you willing to do? Are you gonna sign this contract? You come to this party tonight and you know, you see all these celebrities and stuff walking around and you, you just see 'em at a distance and you're like, Hey, isn't that whoever? And the person that you're with is like, yeah, yeah, that's, you know, where are they going? They're, you know, they're just going there. And you know when you go and you walk towards the door and stuff. You, you get met with this big security guard, he puts his
hand on your chest. He's like, Hey, what? You, you know what, what do you go in there? Do? Do you have a phone on you? Let me search you. And I'm like, all right, don't worry about all of that. 'cause if you need all of that, whatever's behind that door ain't ain't for me. Um, so all this stuff goes on. I've been invited to hotel rooms and villas and you name it, to talk to people from record labels, artisan repertoire, a agents, what we usually call ars and producers. They, they hear your music, they get your

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cd, and they're like, Hey, you know, let me give you a proposition. Trying to talk around the issues as much as possible. Kara: Right. Well, so this begs the question in my mind of, because you've got this more of an inside perspective, would you say it's like with a very broad brush stroke. That anybody who is a household name from the music industry has been compromised?
Or is it possible because you kept going, trying to be, you know, trying to completely be yourself and stay aligned with, and not become spiritually and morally bankrupt and continue going? And it feels like you reached a point where you were like, I just, the tension's too great here. I'm not gonna be able to keep threading this needle. Um, so I'm curious, like, do

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you think that, that it is possible for somebody to become a household name and, and not fall into the trap? Jehan: Okay, so let me answer that question specifically. I kept going because I, I wanted to believe that it was possible because at that time, so let's say age 26, I did a course on musical law. I was going through a dark night of the soul because what actually
happened to me was one of the people that brought me over, that was my manager. The instant she realized I wasn't gonna sleep with her, she kicked me outta the house. She kicked me out on Christmas Eve in the middle of a snowstorm, and I had to drag my suitcase behind me. No money in my pocket, really a few, probably a few hundred dollars to survive on for the month.

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And I got on a plane and I just went to someone else that had worked with me in the past to like get on radio and stuff like that. He's like, Hey man, don't give up on your dream. I know some people here, and when I got there. I was flipping on floors, so I was going through a dark night of the soul. I was making very little money because any money that I made, you gotta travel, got gas, you gotta get food for the week, you gotta
get from gig to gig. Five nights, six nights a week. And it was like my pockets had a hole in it. So I was doing the best I could do. I was like barely renting a little something, something for a few, few beans and you know, a deal to keep the space clean and clean other stuff and do chores and all that. And then I graduated from a dirty carpet where this guy's drunk wife had threw up from drinking wine and was all stained and stuff.

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You could still smell it. Kara: Oh man. Jehan: Graduated from that to sleeping on a yoga mat. Somebody came along, gave me a yoga mat, somebody came along, gave me a bed. And all that time I was meditating and stuff, working all myself. Um. Why is it itching? Yeah, so I was working on myself during that time and I put a few dollars that I had into music law courses and things like that, and during that time, independent music
was breaking out. So you had internet radio stations and you could get your music heard on the same radio station as Buck Cherry and Lincoln Park and Three Days Grace and all that. And it was on the internet, right? It was great. It's a great time to be an independent musician. Very hopeful. So if you could generate the capital to get merchandise, t-shirts, CDs, cups, you name it, stickers, you could go to a gig, play a gig,

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sell that stuff. You make a little bit of money. And depending on how good you were at managing finances, you could eke out a little bit more merch and a little bit more merch till you eventually got past the point of breaking even. And then, you know, you might make a profit one time, but then you travel somewhere else and nobody buys your shit and you lose money. Right? So, you know, you, it's, it's difficult 'cause you don't
make, you make like 0 cents off of one stream and they gotta listen to your whole song for that to count as one. So Kara: wow, Jehan: you get to a point where you realize the level to which everything is just rigged and you realize that you're totally screwed. So unless you have other means of making money, that you can continue to invest large amounts. Because getting good production is a problem. So to get on radio, you can't just

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decide you're going to record in a room like this and get a good product. You have to have a world-class engineer. You're paying a lot of money anywhere from $250 up just to mix the song recording it. Probably gonna run you at a thousand dollars if you got a 10 song album or something like that. Back then they were saying, um, specifically in those times, they were saying, okay, well the album shouldn't be longer than eight songs
as opposed to 13, 14, 15. We grew up listening to, and you realize the degree to which you will go broke faster than you can reduce anything to sell. Okay? So the rate of consumption was also very limited because of the competition. You, you are having these artists that sell themselves. Sell their best parts to themselves to have this huge label backing that are engineered to put in front of you. And it's all about like this,

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like this. Don't like anything else other than this, okay? You get caught up in that drama. So as a creator, where you left, you're left scratching your backside, wondering why nothing's working for you, you feel extremely marginalized and you realize that the only way to make a profit is to get online, spend half your life online, creating content, and you have to talk to some, well, who, a group of people you would
con, you would consider to be super fans. Really a handful of 10, 15, if you're lucky. A hundred people that are gonna buy everything you put out. You start offering people things and all this is stuff I've done, you start offering things like, okay, here's a teaser, 15 seconds of a new song I'm working on. Would you like to purchase it for $50? I will email the highest quality, um, file to you on the promise that

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you give me donations so that I can record it. Right. So you gotta barter with people and stuff like that. And that is so energetically taxing. Yeah. That and even sometimes when you do that, you still don't always break even because you don't always turn a profit and you gotta make sure that you're coming Correct with your business model because people are gonna be expecting to get what's promised to them. Right, right. Kara: . It's it that,
it's really fascinating, your perspective and, and the fact that it's based on experience and I think it's really eye-opening for a lot of people. And I know you and I have kind of talked about this, um, but you know, as podcasters, we are our own types of content creators. And it's interesting in our space in 2026 how some of that is bleeding in to things like podcasting, because podcasting is such a, you know, it's, it, it's getting a lot of

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attention. It has been for the last couple of years where it just, the growth is exploding. And so people are paying attention to, oh, people are listening to podcasts. And it's been interesting, um, because I have noticed some creators who I've seen who. Have the, uh, you know, they're following, you know, on YouTube, their subscribers or whatever is like astronomical. I mean, it makes my head spin to think like, wow, how are all, you know, it's just like exponential growth
and perhaps, you know, you reach a tipping point where that happens or something. I don't know. But, but it's also interesting to know, you mentioned the Epstein files and we're living in such interesting times of so much revelation, and I feel like it's only a little tiny, like we're only really seeing a tiny bit of what's there. And of course that's being controlled by the government and the media. And so it's like, okay, well there are a handful of names on this list.

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God knows who's not. Out in the public yet that's on this. Um, but I just saw yesterday that Deepak Chopra is on the list and I, I wasn't surprised myself, and I don't know really much about him. Um, but I just know he's a huge name. All I know he's a huge name and he's a huge name in the spiritual world, and he is got a
massive following and he's very mainstream. But it, it's this mainstream spirituality. I, I, anyway, I, I guess I, I personally wasn't surprised, but I was disappointed to see it, and it just kind of made me think, you know, is anybody safe? And is it safe to, um, to look up to anybody? You know, because it, because, but

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again, that whole thing with. When I notice there are creators whose followings are just like, every time I turn around they've got another, like 10,000 subscribers. And I'm like, is that natural? Like, can you naturally do that? Or is it an indicator that they have backing? And if they have backing, is their message getting compromised? Are, do they have the freedom to say whatever they want or are they delivering a
message because somebody is pulling the strings behind the scenes? And um, and so I've just been thinking quite a bit about this myself, just because I'm, that's my industry and it's your industry. Um, now, you know, and, and also, and I know I've shared this with you, but I've had a ton of PR companies, uh, reaching out to me in the last. Few weeks or month, couple, I don't know, let's say the last handful of months.

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And I think a lot of it is just spam. You know, they're just like cold emailing people, like, okay, we're, you know, the, the podcast industry's hot. Let's just, anybody who's got a podcast, let's just send them this. We wanna represent anybody. And because there's, you know, it's sales, right? But there have been a couple that have been weird and, um, oddly, um, just they feel a little creepy. And I haven't
responded to any of them, but it does make, I'm, I'm just aware of the potential for somebody to pretend to be somebody who wants to promote you and then you sign a contract, that doesn't make any sense because you're not a lawyer. And the next thing you know, it's like, well, this contractually, you can't talk about what it is that you just put out. You're, you know, take that down or you, we need you to talk

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about this. And is that a way that's gonna be aligned with my beliefs and my heart and what I want to tell people and how I wanna encourage people? Well, it doesn't matter because we're, we're funding you and you've signed it. And if you don't, you're out of, you know, what is it called when you're out of your contract? But anyway, so it makes, it does make me wonder how much of this is bleeding into the podcast industry. And I don't know
if you have insights about that or, I actually, I do know that you have some hunches anyway, but I don't know what you wanna share about that. Jehan: How much time do we have left? Kara: We can go another half hour or so. Jehan: That's not enough time, but I'll try. Um, Kara: let's just see how it goes. Jehan: Okay, so let's continue to use my real life experiences to map this out for you. So remember, I primed myself with knowledge. I

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realized that this point, that knowledge really was power. That if you were going to get around the system and navigate through the different layers, you needed more and more and more knowledge and more and more experience. And so around that time too, was when podcasting and YouTube really started blowing up and there was a lot of spiritual stuff. And I had my first issue with censorship in 2015 because I had been meditating. And I said that I saw a grid,
uh, around the earth and there was all these flags and stuff out there. And I think. That perhaps they're going to use that to map out for some kind of space wars. That's what I said. And I posted it on Instagram and my Instagram account had like 8,000 followers. Well, next week Instagram account started. Uh, I started noticing the analytics were a little bit shady, wasn't getting any likes or anything like that. I was like, okay. And then next thing gone,

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boom. 'cause I just started saying more and more stuff. 'cause I figured, okay, well I'm just gonna say what I'm gonna say then. Kara: I'm Jehan: surprised Kara: it was that soon. I mean, sorry, that long ago, 2015. That's wild. Jehan: So this has been going on for a long time and that was what clued me into, okay, so people are paying for bots. There's only certain people that are allowed to say certain things because I'm, I'm, I would bet you my bottom dollar, if I was
on Revolution Radio or Infowars or one of those things like that, and I'd said that it'd be perfectly accepted. Right. So I started to realize, 'cause around that time I was setting up a business and stuff and getting, you know, well I had already set up the business with a business partner and um, we were doing the traditional coaching route while I was still studying to do the hypnotherapy thing. And I was learning a lot very quickly. And the more I learned and the more

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I changed in myself, the more dark stuff I saw on the outside that I became acutely aware of. So that pattern, that trend is still the same to this day. Um, so I mean, let me come up with a real catchy word for people or a group of words when it comes to this kind of thing. You're dealing with a type of behavioral economics. Kara: Ooh. So you imagine that's a good, those are good words to put together. I like it. Okay. Behavioral
economics. Jehan: So you imagine. The way that the money system is perceived to be set up. You, you work all your life, you save your money, you put it into a bank. When you retire, you get all that money back that you allegedly saved. Right? But is that money really in a vault somewhere? Or does it get taken and get used for something else? Right. That's the same thing with your emotions as currency, with your perceptions as currency.

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That means way more than money to these people that you're dealing with. They don't think like you. And I think they're not gonna sit down and have a conversation like how we are yucking it up over, you know, voice notes and Instagram chats and stuff. Like we talk absolute. SHIT, like anytime, anytime you put us in a room together, it's dangerous. 'cause we're gonna talk the most crap you've ever heard. Right. Just people laughing and we don't talk like that.
Instead, everything that they do and they say is like the greatest mastermind group you've ever been in. It's the greatest, um, hypothetical vision boarding setup. And they're just like, Hey, I wonder what if we put poison in the water? Ha ha ha ha. That's a great idea, Ted. Let's do that. Oh, a hundred thousand of them died. That's hilarious. Let's try again. That's how they talk. We weren't expecting that 250,000 of them got cerebral palsy. What? That's

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incredible. Let's try it again. There's no compassion. It's very hilarious to them. So you and I we're probably a few years apart, um, and we would experience the same cultural conditioning that's completely different to let's say, somebody that's now turning 21. They're living in a completely different engineered world with, with this soup version of behavioral economics where
inflation has occurred from the time you were born to now, the time I was born to now we've seen inflation in this system. I'm trying to talk around this stuff 'cause I don't want you to get banned. Yeah. Um, and it's all based on how well you comply, what your beliefs are. Your beliefs have to tie into what they say you should believe. That's why you have religion. And then

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new age spirituality, samberg, two different wings designed to get you to argue with the other person about who's more righteous. You know, the whole idea that, um. Hypnotherapy is evil. It's demons, it's demonic. So basically when someone says like that, you can tell, you can, when someone speaks like that, you can tell that they're completely outside of their own ability to think critically and analyze anything. Because how can you talking
to someone be demonic, Kara: right? How Jehan: can you say, I had this experience in my life and this is the thoughts I have about it. How can that be demonic? Right? Kara: Right. Jehan: This entire behavioral economic structure is based solely on your participation. Can't talk too much about that 'cause that'll get you banned. So eventually what happens as a result is that people will resign themselves to, that's just the way it is. It

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is what it is, right? And then everything in that behavioral economic structure is designed so that there is a. Always another strategy. When you think you jump over one strategy, there's another one behind that because they've already had their mastermind groups, they've got 250 potential outcomes for everything that you do. These people don't sleep. Yes. I said people, it's not lizards under the earth,
it's people doing this. Maybe there's lizards involved. I don't know. I haven't seen it, but there's people that are doing this and Kara: so well, but do you think that there, because I agree with you, but I wonder how much their, their vessels for other forces besides just their, their soul? Jehan: Oh, that's a big question and yeah, you're right on top of it. But what I wanna say is that what I can tell you

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specifically through my experiences in life, music, career, um, hypnotherapy coaching, everything. Is set up so that these people that you see with like 500,000 followers and up they're getting help. The social media platforms went through a time where it was totally acceptable for you to pay for likes and views and bots. And what happens is that
there's a particular psychology that kicks in where people love authority. Human compliance with authority is the expertise, the field of expertise of the people that I have mentioned before, they have studied us for 900 centuries or more since the beginning of time. And everything in in social psychology, everything in political science, everything in

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from neuroscience right back down to how you should raise your baby is dictated by these people. Everything about school and the individual obedience patterns that you should have, how you should go about living your life, how you should go about thinking about things in life dictated by these people. It's a highly authoritarian environment and it's popped up by chronic stress.
Okay? So it isn't so much what they're doing to make us believe stuff. It is the chronic stress environments that we're continue to be put in that keep us from thinking because things like learned helplessness and attachment, um, and your entire nervous system regulation, keep all that in place. So your hardware, which they know is the most intelligent form of hardware that exists,

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it is the technology. All this stuff we have in our pockets. All this stuff we're talking on right now, ain't nothing compared to that technology. So they pretty much know, okay, hey, all you gotta do is keep these people so messed up and so stressed out that they'll never go beyond anything that is going to raise the alarm in their nervous system. That's why you see so many people are just burnt out. So you have all these musicians that burn out because they don't, they just,
they don't know where to go because they know they have talent. They know they have a love for playing for people. It fulfills them. It does something for them emotionally, cause them to spiritually grow, whatever the case is. And they just don't wanna do it anymore. That's what I saw, and I saw the same thing in people that were coming to me for coaching and counseling and hypnotherapy. It's the same deal no matter what industry they're involved in. Doctors, lawyers, nurses,

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teachers. Corporate figures, secretaries, street sweepers, strippers, you name it, seen 'em all. And there's this chronic stress that's involved in keeping everything the way that it is in their life. And so if you don't have, gotta be careful about this one too. If you don't have a good method of developing personal sovereignty and personal empowerment, nothing's
gonna change in the world. Nothing's gonna change about the system. And so they put all these people in front of you and they know that your perception of authority dictates your, um, your ideas about a person. So every time you see somebody that's got 1.4 million, and it's a podcaster, for example, to get back to what you were talking about. You literally

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get a dopamine hit just from seeing that You literally, your brain literally goes, oh, shoot. And is actually a part of the brain called eventual striatum or something like that. That is in, it's associated with social approval and safety and material reward that you get. So it's gonna reinforce any behavior that you get from listening to that podcast when you see they got 4 million viewers or whatever. Kara: Because you see them as an authority. Jehan: Yeah, exactly. You get that dopamine hit because
you perceive them as an authority and you're like, wow, okay, I'm going that direction. So that's why smaller podcasters will get buried because you go on YouTube and you see Chris Williamson, and then you see Joe Rogan, and you see Joe Rogan's got more views on his video and you're like, I think I want to do that. And it's happening at an unconscious level, right? Kara: Mm-hmm. Jehan: And I've been using the example of the, of. John Mellencamp interview where he's constantly having to check in with

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Joe Rogan while he's talking to find out what he can and cannot say. That's the greatest example I've been screaming about Joe Rogan for years. Like, don't listen to that guy. 'cause the, it's about, it's not about whether or not you get little seeds of information that are good or not. It's about the fact that you have someone that's a gatekeeper, that they want to control the dissemination of information.. A
podcast is usually opinions condensed based on opinions of someone else that are opinions of someone else, that are opinions of someone else. What does a teacher do? They give you a combination of opinions and. Hard factual evidence. So you formulate an opinion about that, but your opinion has to match their opinion or you fail the class. It's the same deal as podcasts. So you're not learning, when you listen to a

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podcast, you're getting more information that either goes against something that you were conditioned to believe is true or not, and it's usually opinion based. So that's all. Brain chemistry is all brain chemistry. That is safety circuitry in your brain saying, okay, it's safe for me to listen to this podcaster because I see they have 4 million views. That's so interesting. And then because you have another part of your brain that's like, Hey, this
is gonna flick on because I get a reward for learning. Nucleus accumbens. That's how you learn, you know, porn and shopping and alcohol. All these different things are give you a good reward in your brain. You're like, Hey, this is awesome. So I can just spend most of my time avoiding personal sovereignty and personal responsibility by listening to all these podcasts. And then when I'm done, I can get another dopamine hit from millions of songs on

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Spotify. Sweet. So you're not really thinking as much as you think you're thinking. The conscious mind is just that part of you that stops you from bumping into shit. Okay. That's it. So when it comes to agency, you got circuitry for that too. All chemical stuff. So when you think that you are making good decisions for yourself, you're not. And as a result of that. They win by default because they can make anybody that they want go away or they can
make anybody that they want be positioned as an authority and they can give you as many likes as they want, as many followers as they want. Or they can take that away in the drop of a a hat. And that's just the way it is. Whoever don't like it, lump it. You're gonna leave it. Kara: It. It's so interesting, and I actually did learn something as you were talking because I didn't know, like these parts of the brain and I haven't really thought about things

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in that specific way. But I've noticed within myself that what you talk about used to be true. Where it was like, oh, this person has so many followers. But it's like the more I understand how inverted reality really is and how much what we're given to trust and we're told to trust is actually to our detriment. And what we, what is actually good for us and beneficial for us, especially from spiritual development, spiritual
sovereignty, is hidden or suppressed. And so like, you know, the way that I started this segment was talking about the, you know, the suspicion that I have when somebody's followers have gone through the roof. And I'm like, wait a minute, that's not natural. So what's going on here? And it makes me, um, actually like more cautious. And so I wonder if as we go through, you know, 20 26, 20 27, there, you know, supposed

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to be major, major years from a lot of different perspectives, whether that's astrologically or prophecy or you know, any number of sources that are, are proclaiming that. So as consciousness expands and people and more is revealed, and people start to really connect, like, wait a minute, this stuff is toxic. Like, oh wait, what is the music industry built upon? Can I trust it? Should I be in
putting energy into that? Um, then maybe they're, they, those things that used, we used to associate with trust, you know, like, oh, okay, this is good for me. We will begin to see as, uh, you know, it, it will flip and it will be like, well, maybe this isn't authentic, or, you know, maybe this isn't what's best for me. Maybe there's some compromise. Or maybe this, this source is compromised.

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So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in the evolution. But I guess time is gonna tell for that. Jehan: One of the things that I love about self-sabotage so much and why I chose to specialize in it is because everything that is pertaining to your subconscious mind, the mind of all things and your nervous system and cultural reinforcement and social conditioning and
engineering, it's all the same. It's all the same information. Okay? So if you look at the nervous system narrative, the nervous system is asking one question, is this safe? Doesn't matter if it's true or false, is this safe? Does this get me more of the same self-protection? So when you are coaching a client or they come to you and they want a, a standard hypnotherapy session for

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anxiety or addiction, or to sleep better or to quit smoking. Same deal. They're protecting something that keeps them safe. They're protecting a habit, a thought pattern, a deeply embedded, um, program. And I make the distinction. Programming is linguistic based, language based, and conditioning is behavior and reward based. Anybody that doesn't believe me, just
read BF Skinner. Just go look at neuroscience. I love to tell people, get really involved in reading neuroscience books. 'cause you wanna find out why humans do what they do. It's all in the brain. It's more a chemical than it is just about psychological manipulation. The psychological manipulation is how you trigger the chemical reactions, the watching the

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television and staring at the LED screens and the LED lighting. Destroy executive function, they destroy the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for your spirituality, your ability to rationalize, critically analyze, and your willpower. So how can you ever dig your way out of the darkness when the very thing that you need to use to think. So, you know, I, I call people muggles and normies and NPCs sometimes too, because those kinds of things really
exist. You see some characters that they just, they start walking like in Grand Theft Auto, and they get stuck in front of something. They're just walking. They're shoulders and moving. They're going nowhere. Kara: I heard you talking about seeing something like this at the grocery store not too long ago where somebody like ran into a rack and then just like let it drag behind. Jehan: She's got a phone out, he's walking like this, bumps into a rack and the

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way I'm looking at my phone right now. So she's looking at it. She's, the rack actually had like a hook on it, hooked onto her leg. She's dragging it. Stuff that is on the rack is clattering and splattering and flying all over the place, making a racket. One of the store attendants runs behind her. It was hilarious running behind her, telling her, ma'am, stop. You got this thing. And she's just, she's in there.
She's not out here with us. Yeah, there's no way she could know. And when the attendant grabbed her by the arm, she didn't have a normal reaction like, what's going on? She just was like, Kara: weird Jehan: walking, get walking. You saw her eyes. Her eyes were grayed out. I was like, yeah, she had 15. Injections of something. Kara: Yeah. Jehan: Some kind of, some kind of serum. She was like, whoa, out of it. So

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I know that those things exist, but back to what I'm saying is that it's not necessarily for lack of compassion. When you realize that everybody's targeted and the hardware is targeted, you understand why people can't think critically. Uh, one of the biggest things for me is caffeine. I talk about it all the time. If you have one cup of coffee, it could be a big cup. One good strong cup of coffee is all you need. You'll be awake for
like 20 hours. You, you should be good to go if you have a healthy body. But if you don't have a healthy body and you're drinking two or three cups coffee a day, you're drinking eight cups of coffee, your body's sick, right? And you're using it at like a drug to numb yourself. There's areas of the brain that deactivate brain activity gets very little. So for people who are psychically gifted, that's great because then the brain as a

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receiver can't work as an interface for interpreting information. I should say more specifically, hopefully that won't get you banned 'cause it interprets the information isn't necessarily a receive it, it's just a reader. It's like a, the same way they can check your temperature with a gun at a distance. That's what your brain does with consciousness that has been projected on the outside by other forces. Okay. Within the hologram, if you want to say it, is like it reads all these energy
patterns and interprets based on that, based on what you already believe. So that's why they put so much information in your head using social media and television for years. Then they can, they know that the number one rule is consciousness recreates whatever it witnesses. That is why in manifesting, you must visualize and you must emotionally encode it in your own body. You have to associate joy or fear with it for your nervous system to get you to agree to certain requirements, biologically,

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emotionally, and otherwise in the environment for you to take actions that are based on the opportunities presented to you. Our superpower is choice. That's why our superpower of choice is always being dictated to us by outside forces. So consciousness creates anything it sees and you watch stranger things, they can create the outside upside down world, sorry, whatever it is. They can literally create that in real life because you think it's normal,
'cause you've seen it. It's stored as a memory in your hippocampus and now your brain doesn't know whether that actually happened to you. That's a thing in real life. So it becomes normal to you. I won't go too deep into that 'cause that's one of the things that gets me banned too, but I want to leave people with this. Again. When truth is challenging your identity, your brain is processing it similarly as it would to a physical threat. Gunpoint, rape, you

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name it, that's what your brain is thinking is going on. You can read neuroscience, you can see that there's FMRI, neuroimaging studies, all that out the wazoo that show that the amygdala is activated when there's, um, threat network stimulated and you know, when deeply held beliefs are challenged, ideas about life are challenged. That's what's happening to you. You do not know what you do
not know. Kara: Hmm. Jehan: You'll only become a free person when you realize that that is a biological reality. It is not conjecture or opinions on the internet. It is not an opinion. Based on an opinion. Based on an opinion. They can show you the images and tell you, yeah, this is what's happening to you. So would you prefer to spend all of your energy living in a way that is popped up

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by lies dictated by yourself? Stories you formulated throughout your childhood, stories that you formulated based on your childhood, throughout your teenage years. Stories that you formulated about life based on what didn't work for you in relationships because of what you learned from hair there and everywhere, stories that you created out of protection. Because you figured that going with the flow is better than against
it. You didn't wanna get hurt. Are you gonna complicit to your own slavery in that way? Because when you start eating healthy, meaning you don't put poison in your body, when you start meditating and analyzing your thoughts, your subconscious mind is asking you the question, is it okay to keep this piece of information? When you get rid of the information you don't need, then your nervous system is gonna respond differently.

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So you're going to see different aspects of things. You're gonna see a different side of the coin you didn't before. When you start taking stock of the content that you consume, when you start holding yourself radically accountable for your behavior based on spiritual and moral truths, ethical truths. You begin to hold everybody else to a higher standard. You will no longer make excuses for yourself or anybody else. That is the fastest way to find yourself in a position
where you are then working in a job where you have a greater appreciation for what it is you do. Whether or not you're making a few beans to a couple hundred thousand a year, you will find more appreciation for that. That will put you on a path to creating something, using your intellect and your love and your joy where you can make money. You don't have to quit your job. You can do both things because when you're free and you're not doing all the other distract things and

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subtractive things energetically and spiritually, you have the time. There's more available for you than you think. And there's a whole group of people out there that wanna take it from you. They're very dedicated to it. And how do you get past that? Ignore them. Completely. Ignore them. Conspiracy theories are not there to help you ignore them. Okay. Kara: That's
beautiful. Well, thank you for all of that. You know, it, it makes me wonder if people are, if, if a lot of what you shared, particularly there at the end with the, the hardware, the biology, the neurology. If, if that kind of threw anybody for a loop and they were like, wait, what? This is new for me, but I feel like I need to take action. I feel like there are things

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that I do need to change, but it was a lot all at once. Is there anything that jumps out at you as a, a good first step or, um, or some, some kind of low hanging fruit as a way to have positive change? Because I think we've talked a lot about. Some things that could be eyeopening, but also can be kind of heartbreaking for people. So if there's anything that is like, here's a, a great first step that jumps out at you, you
Jehan: know, ordinarily I don't do this, but here's a great first step. Email me at self sabotage info@proton.me. Sit on the other screen side of the screen with me and have a conversation. Tell me what it is you think happened in your life that has put you on a path where you can't create anything new. And I will tell you whether you are right or whether you are right, because there's nobody that comes to me and they're wrong

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about their perceptions on a cognitive, rational level. Everyone knows why they're doing the thing that they're doing. Everyone knows why they're self-sabotaging, uh, or at the very least, they suspect that something is up with other things that they're doing. Seeing, saying, believing, consuming in their life. It's things they're tolerating, people, they're tolerating, and a lot of people are
burnt out because they've been at the point of Enough is enough for a long time. So talk to me and I will feed back to you because you're a lot smarter than you think you are. You're probably right on top of it. And it's all about stress. It's all about fear, and it's all about memory. And you gotta ask yourself when it comes to doing better, what did you do today that was different from yesterday?

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What did you think about today? That you thought about in a different way than you did yesterday. We have all these people on a public forum like Joe Dispenza that say, you know, do something different. You think a hundred thousand thoughts or whatever is every day, and it's usually the same stuff. So don't read his book and then go ahead and think a hundred thousand thoughts about what he said, and then move on. Actually
question your thinking. 'cause if something doesn't work for you and you feel like you have to tolerate it, because it just is what it is that don't make no sense. I mean, not everybody is here to live in this confabulated delusion of grandeur, which is pushed on you by the coaching industry and the new age industry, self-help gurus and stuff like that. Like they're just trying to trick you into thinking that they're

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happy, but they're not. Right, but you can find your joy doing the things that you love doing. If for some, a woman that is at home sitting around and she hears this, and lady, you know, it's been over with your husband for years, why are you still there? Don't use, it's because of the kids as an excuse. The children need their father, but the children need their mother. The whole
person. They need the whole person, not just a little bit of you that you can eek out just to get by every day because you're afraid that things are just going to be disastrous if you leave that relationship. Your children are on their own journey and you can't go around trying to control everything, keep everything together at the risk of your own death. 'cause then when you're gone.

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You know, daddy ain't doing it. Who's gonna look out for them? They have to learn at some point. So you're not really protect, protecting your kids from the trauma that you think you're protecting them from. You cannot control any narrative in life. I would use an example of this girl, Maya, I, I'm allowed to say her name. She avoided all social opportunities because somewhere in her childhood, she was bullied. She made up a story about it, and she
came for the self-sabotage work because she knew something was wrong. She just couldn't ever get a grip on it. She had to change her diet. She had to stop engaging with certain people the same way at work that were like bullies because she would just shut down and she was just afraid of rejection. She had to learn that she needed to survey her own thoughts and see every. Point in her life where she felt like she was being rejected as an opportunity to

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grow and to say, yeah, I'm just not having that response anymore. It can be that simple. You can decide every day for six weeks. I'm just not gonna have that response anymore and do something different. And you would be surprised where you end up. And if people did that and realize that you are able to find more community because you've, you've, you've leveled up, you're able to build better friendships because you find yourself in rooms that
are uncommon because of those small decisions. Life does get better, but it's more emotionally and physically taxing on you to maintain the same level of lies that you're living in than to actually grow and go anywhere. Kara: That's amazing. Well, thank you for that. Tell people how well, how they can contact you because you've got your Boundless Authenticity podcast, and I know you've got a new podcast coming out and I know you gave your,

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your, um, email already, but how can people go further? Jehan: Okay, so let me say that again. If you'd like to contact me, send an email to self sabotage info@proton.me, and I am the host of the Boundless Authenticity Podcast. The tagline is, what if everything you've been told about healing consciousness and reality is only have the story? Um, you can find that. Podbean Boundless
authenticity.podbean.com. So P-O-D-B-E-A-N. It's on Spotify, Pandora, apple Rumble. Well, not really so much. Rumble Rumble ban me a little bit and I got a shadow ban, so it's hard to see my videos. YouTube is there. You can subscribe on YouTube. There's podcast index, there's boom play, you name it, it's pretty much everywhere except for Facebook. I have had to start a new community this week on

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minds.com authenticity podcast, so you can join me over there. And I really like the community idea because it's an opportunity for people to share their experiences with stuff. No judgment. If anybody starts judging anybody in the group, I'll kick their ass out because that's not cool. Um, so just join me. Just enjoy like what I have to say, what my guests have to say. You can listen to Kara Goodwin. S twice. We talk about some deep meditation stuff
and I'm looking forward to having Kara back on to talk more about some of the meditation stuff. 'cause it's really just about personal insight versus opinion on boundless authenticity. Yeah, you got some fuddyduddy. 'cause if I didn't interview just about everyone there would be no podcasts. So understand that you can listen to why you self-sabotage and how to fix it as well. It's a new series I'm working on, um, that's exclusively on spreaker, so, yeah.

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Kara: Awesome. Well thank you so much. This has been a really rich and deep discussion, so we're, you're gonna have to come back because we've got a lot of ground that we didn't even get to touch on. So thank you so much. Jehan: Thank you, Kara. Kara: Thank you so much for joining me for this episode of Soul Elevation. If someone in your life would be inspired or uplifted by what you heard today, please take a
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