486. Skeptics to Seekers: Time Slips, Ghosts & Fear-Free Content - Will Rodriguez & Karen Endsley

Will & Karen

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm so excited for you to dive into this episode with the hosts of the Popular Skeptic Meta Physicians Podcast. Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley. They have some great stories to share about the mysteries they've experienced since their spiritual awakening and the role of skepticism and discernment.

You're gonna be inspired, odd, and even get some laughs from this episode.

Will and Karen are the dynamic duo behind the Skeptic Meta Physicians Podcast, where spiritual seekers and curious skeptics alike come to explore the mysteries of consciousness. Will a self-described metaphysical maverick. Brings curiosity, humor, and visionary drive to every episode guiding listeners through topics like energy healing, near-death experiences, and [00:01:00] esoteric wisdom.

And Karen balances the ride with her intuitive insight. Grounded discernment and heart-centered presence making even the most far out ideas feel relatable together. They ask the big questions, challenge assumptions, and invite us all to explore one truth. Many paths, their warm, witty chemistry has made their show a go-to for spiritual exploration and soul substance.

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Will & Karen: By the way, I'm not sure if you're aware, but congratulations for making the top 100 spiritual podcasts on 1 million podcasts. I'm not sure if you are know about that or not.

Kara Goodwin: I don't know where did you see that?

Will & Karen: Uh, actually on Twitter, they actually, um, they posted the,

Kara Goodwin: Oh,

Will & Karen: the link to it and I went to go see, keeping my fingers crossed and sure enough we were there, but so were you. So it was nice

Kara Goodwin: great.

Will & Karen: face.

Kara Goodwin: Well, thank you. Congratulations to you too. I.

Will & Karen: Thank you. That was not a

Kara Goodwin: When,

Will & Karen: moment, I

Kara Goodwin: uh, no, of course. But, um, where or when did that come out? Was that a few months ago?

Will & Karen: actually.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, okay. Well then, yeah, I definitely haven't heard that, so.

Will & Karen: Okay.

Kara Goodwin: that's awesome. I'll have to look into what w what was the source again, did you say?

Will & Karen: million podcast. I, I'll send you the link so you have it

Kara Goodwin: [00:03:00] Okay, thank you.

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Okay. Well, welcome Will and Karen, I'm so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for being here today.

Will & Karen: Thanks for the invitation. We're thrilled to be on your show. Absolutely.

Kara Goodwin: And I can't wait to come on. Yours too. We're gonna do a little pod swap, which is gonna be awesome.

Will & Karen: uh, you have to tune in for part two later on in our show.

Kara Goodwin: That's right. So I wanna start by exploring the One Truth Mini Paths philosophy, which resonates so deeply with me also. Um, but I know that this is kind of the foundation that your, your mission is built upon. So tell us what this means and how it informs your work and passion through the Skeptic Meta Physicians Podcast and new reality tv.

Will & Karen: Uh, it, it just, just what it sounds like, uh, to, to give you a little bit of background, uh, before I dove into this world, I was very much one of those guys that knew exactly the truth of life in every single way, in everything outside of that scope was. Absolutely [00:04:00] wrong. How could they possibly mm-hmm. Um, until I, like many people, had an existential crisis right during Covid and realized, what am I doing? Uh, so, uh, we started doing the skeptic. Me, I was seeking to find, I looked myself in the mirror, did not like what I saw, I didn't like how judgmental I was, how angry I was all the time. it was a, it was an attempt for me to wrap my head around what is the truth? I figured if I talk to enough people, the truth will emerge. And so, um. I have a, one of my favorite stories, uh, that, that, uh, I learned a while back. Um, if you don't mind, I, I'm, I'd love to share it with you in your audience right now. It's, uh, one day God was standing on his mountain of, of truth, and he was looking down in the world and he likes what he sees, so he leans over a little bit to get a closer look, but as he does so, he loses his footing on the mountain of truth, and as he scrambles to [00:05:00] catch his footing, pebbles from the mountain of truth fall down onto the world. And he goes, uhoh, and he looks over the edge to see what just happened. And as he's looking, he sees all the people from the world running, grabbing these pebbles, raising them over their heads and exclaiming, I have the truth, when in essence, all they had was one of the little pebbles from the mountain of truth. when I realized that this was the reality of it all, suddenly it opened up everything right. We really saw that reflected in all of the interviews that we've had because we've had, you know, a few hundred and. We have interviewed some incredible people in so many different modalities. We are still learning about new ones that we had no idea existed. But there is a very central theme or message in that we're getting in these interviews. And really it's about, it's about love and light and community and, and it's all the same. They're saying it differently, but all of these people are telling us the same thing. So [00:06:00] that kind of reinforces, you know, what Will was saying and everything that we.

Already been talking about the many paths because like I said, many different modalities, but it's all the same message. Yeah. There's different languages. 

Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: I love that. And I, I think that that resonates with so many people because even on the spiritual path, you know, when you talk about, um, you thought you knew everything and, and every you knew where, you know, if, if. If you didn't believe it, it wasn't true type of thing. I presume You mean, was that more in the material world or was that from like a religious spirituality perspective or just everything.

Will & Karen: bit, a little bit of both actually. I, I was raised Catholic, but I wasn't really, truly a practicing Catholic, but

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Will & Karen: the tenets of Catholicism, uh,

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: me over the course of my upbringing, but mostly it was in the material world

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: I wasn't as, mm, I wasn't as, uh. Bought in, I guess, to the religious part of it that [00:07:00] that thought process came in.

It just seeped into every part of my life. But, um, I remember one of the biggest arguments that Karen and I had was when we, uh, were gonna send our daughter to preschool. And Karen had heard that this, I researched research, just my bad, so sorry. She researched the fact that the best school, the best preschool in our area happened to be a. Um, Presbyterian school, and I was aghast because no way that I'm gonna allow my child to be fed the dogma I. And the fear based thought processes that come with that type of organized religion. And we had this knockout drag out, only find it was so bad, only defined years later that wow was I just so myopically thinking and looking at things because she had a wonderful preschool. And they didn't brainwash her into thinking anything. She was able to actually come up [00:08:00] with her own modalities. Now she's 14 now, so she's got a little bit more of a sense of what's real for her. And it has nothing to do with anything that, that we, we taught her or the school taught her. She came in up on it on her own.

That's another example of how everyone has a different path and we support that wholeheartedly. one of the, the differences during this argument, I remember. were just, you know, these people just believe so blindly and so yes. Maybe they believe things that, you know, we didn't believe or don't believe or did. it's kind of nice to have that amount of faith in whatever you believe in, just to know that that is your truth and, um, you just couldn't see it. Mm-hmm. Just like, well, it's not my truth, so it's wrong. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Well, it's funny because this, of course, we've, we recognize this with religion, with spirituality when, especially in the context of like our podcasts for example, you know, that's what we're exploring regularly, but I. This happens even within the scientific community or even [00:09:00] within like an agnostic or an atheistic viewpoint where it's like there's almost so much of this like clenching to what, you know, even when you don't know and like even when you're claiming that you don't know, it's like, yeah, but there there's still this clutching of like, well, it can't be because.

I haven't seen the proof or I haven't accepted the proof, or PI, I believe that people are making up what they're saying. That give, that would give me an inkling of truth. Um, but I think a lot of people can relate to that too, where it's, we even on, even on a spiritual path where. It's like I, I know what I know and I believe what I believe and that's what's right.

And I know like for me when I kind of, before my proper awakening, but like as a child for example, I was always interested in near death experiences and I still [00:10:00] am, am I love near death experiences. Um, but I remember the first few that I read, I thought that they were bringing back. Exactly what happens when you die and what will happen when I die and what happens when everybody dies.

And it was not exactly what I had learned in church. And to be honest, I was not a huge, I didn't grow up in like a tr really dogmatic household. We didn't go to church like all that often. Um, but we had a church and we went sometimes and, um. What I learned in near death experiences was a lot more personal than what it felt like in church.

When I was hearing these ancient stories and I didn't know who the people were and I didn't have a lot of context for the stories, it was so personal, you know? But whether it involved Jesus, whether it involved angels, whether it involved like deceased, loved ones who had gone before. [00:11:00] That was the truth.

That was what was real. And so it was confusing when I'd come across a new one and it didn't have Jesus in it, or it didn't have an angel in it, or you know, it took place flying through the air. Like, what's that about? I've never come across that before. That can't be right, you know? But it was this like.

Starting to reject things that I hadn't already been exposed to because it was new and it didn't fit. And so I, I have come to understand through my journey of like you're saying, like the ability to just hold. Many truths and I've never heard that before. The analogy of God being on a, the truth mountain and how we get these little bits of it, these little expressions of a bigger truth

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: um, that's so important.

So was [00:12:00] there one key moment for either of you or both of you that really kind of cracked you open to a new reality?

Will & Karen: I don't know that there was one particular moment. I think it was a, a combination of a of different moments. Um. But ultimately, I think I am one of those hardheaded people that had to have the proof, that's the name of the show, the skeptic in a position, because I needed to wrap my, I wanted to believe, I needed to wrap my head around the concepts that I was being told. And so I had to see it, feel it, experience it, be told it, uh. Repeatedly before I started to up that, that hard shell that said, no, no, no. The programming. That we've all been, um, a part of, in fact, we [00:13:00] are, have been a part of programming our daughter and we catch ourselves doing it. Um, is, is so ingrained in us that it's hard to overcome that sometimes, especially somebody who I grew up in the New York area and people can be a little, um, misleading there.

There can be harsh, but they can be beautiful and wonderful too. It's just a matter of perspective, which, which direction you wanna look at it. And I was looking at it from the. Negative side of things. So everything that I saw was tinted with that, that

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: And over the course of many years, we've done the, the show for four years now. Finally, the experiences that we have, I was, we, we were having, um, really showed me, um, I guess there is one that really blew us both away the nut. The nut. that, oh, the nut. The This was more not the nut, it's looking like an edible nut. Oh, right. No, th This is more like a, uh, in the, in the, in the vein of, uh, the proof is in the pudding. See it to believe it. [00:14:00] Yes. Definitely. See to

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: But it was, it was about, um, how, uh, we hop realities. Constantly, uh, I didn't think that was possible, right? We have one timeline, one reality. Uh, but we were doing an interview in on location one day and, uh, these microphones are connected by, uh, the particular nut to the arm. And if you don't have the that nut, you're outta luck. You have to hold the microphone. So we were setting everything up and as I was screwing in the nut. was sitting next to me, right where as we are now, we're on chairs, and as I'm doing it, the nut falls outta my hands and we both see it fall, bounce on the floor and. Vanish we're like, what the heck do we are actually on our all floors looking for this thing? Yeah, looking under furniture. I took apart a little rock fountain. Maybe it fell into that. I mean, it was a white rug, so you would've seen it. But we're like, you know, putting our hands kind of plushy, putting our hands through the rug.

People were helping us pulling couch cushions off, tearing apart. It was nowhere fountains that had a fountain in there. She was pulling the brick by brick, [00:15:00] pulling apart, finding this nut.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Will & Karen: and we were sitting like this, right? You know how your pockets get, you know, they get flattened out, so there's no way it could be anywhere on us. So we said, okay, I guess we're holding it. Yeah, we're holding the microphone. So we did the microphone holding it, and then when it was finished, we were putting things away. We had an audience who was watching it at the time. They came to us and they said, Hey, I'm being told of, 'cause of course there's audiences and audience of, uh, of awakened folks. being told that you need to check your pocket. So. Because I'm wanna be nice. I, I, of course. Oh, oh yeah, of course. Why didn't I think of that? Thinking to myself? There's no

Kara Goodwin: No physical way. Yeah.

Will & Karen: my, we're sitting down, my pockets are folded in on themselves. We, we saw it hit the ground. We saw it hit the ground and bounce. Okay. But I will indulge them. And I put my hands one hand in each pocket. And when I did that, my face fell because in my right hand when I pulled it out was that nut.

Kara Goodwin: Oh my [00:16:00] gosh,

Will & Karen: you, there's no way, there is no way this thing could have gotten into my

Kara Goodwin: that gives me chills. Oh my goodness.

Will & Karen: talked

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: weeks afterwards because on my way to the interview I was kind of waffling and I just said out to the universe, I need, I need to know, I need to know if this is if, because I'm, we're starting to kind of lose faith. Wow. Be careful what you asked for because I literally cannot explain this. Mm-hmm. And think. Fully. Thankfully I have someone who's a witness to it all. It's not just

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: We had a bunch of people, actually, there were a bunch of people, but, but she was right next to me and she could firmly confirmed.

There is no possible way it could have gotten in your pocket other than we hopped realities or the universe just, I don't know. I don't know. I can't explain it. But the

Kara Goodwin: It's a mystery.

Will & Karen: difference between me that now and me, then I'm okay with not knowing

Kara Goodwin: Yeah,

Will & Karen: the mystery is. kind of the fun part of it all.

Kara Goodwin: it is. So fun.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: [00:17:00] Yeah, Karen. Do, do, would that be your story too, or do you have another one that comes to mind?

Will & Karen: I've, I've been, I'm very different from Will, um, I have never not known and it's not, I was raised Catholic. I went to Catholic school. It wasn't super like dogman down your throat. We didn't go to church much as kids, but I just would have little things happen. I think probably the, when I really look back about it, probably the biggest maybe. Experience is I literally a ghost literally saved my life. Um, so

Kara Goodwin: I can't wait to hear about this.

Will & Karen: whole feeling.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Yeah. No, it's crazy. Um, so I'll, I'll just try to put it in a little nutshell. I, um, was, had an apartment with a roommate and she was out of town one weekend and I had a little television in my, my bedroom back in the day when they were small, you know, and so I'd fallen asleep with a television on and I woke up and someone's turning the TV off and I'm like. For my first thought, oh, one of Christie's friends isn't here turning the TV off, you know? And then I'm like, oh crap. You know, this [00:18:00] is not, so my plan was just to roll over. I'm sleeping. And so meanwhile, like kind of what's going through my head is a thousand are fathers, oddly enough. 'cause I hadn't been to church in years.

But that starts going through my head and me thinking, okay, this person now knows I'm awake. They're gonna leave. They just came in to steal stuff, they're gonna leave. But actually he came around to the side of my bed, fortunately the side that was away from the door. So I just kind of, even though my plan was to still be sleeping, my body just kind of, you know, stretched.

Got up. went out to the front door. That's kind of when it was just like the movies. Um, 'cause I get to the door and I like land on the deadlocks and I open 'em and I go to open the door and the chain's locked. And I'm just like, at this point I just panic going, you know, trying to get the chain open. Shut the door, get the chain out. I run upstairs, stupidly into this little quad, and then he comes up and the, the neighbor I'm banging on the door is finally, I, I got into someone's house before he, he got me obviously. So all was good. And then we found stuff that was there to tie me up and a knife and all this stuff.

Kara Goodwin: Oh.

Will & Karen: So the, the reason I

Kara Goodwin: And that was a stranger.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: Oh my [00:19:00] gosh.

Will & Karen: So the reason I say that a ghost saved my life is because I remember I was dreaming. When I was, when, right before I woke up, because 

I was the girl that could, I'm from Florida, I slept through hurricanes, like nothing would wake me up. So to hear someone like just pushing the button of the television to wake me up, that's very surprising.

I would sleep through alarm clocks. I mean, just, you name it. So in my dream, I was in this old house and I was talking to a ghost, and it was a woman and she was, it was through, she was communicating me through, through knocking, knocking sounds, and. Somehow what I figured out was so weird was that I had to take her head and put it back with her body so she could leave the earth. So I found her head in this drawer and put it back with the body, and I guess all was well. So I'm researching this dream just in general, what does it mean? And it was basically, you know, if there's a ghost there and, and you're communicating and it's not fearful, it's a warning. And, um, then I did some more research about how in certain areas when women were condemned as [00:20:00] witches, they were decapitated and they were, their bodies were separated from their heads because the belief was they couldn't ascend that way. I had no knowledge of

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Will & Karen: feel like somehow I was helping her and she, she was, you know, helping me, waking me back up, like, get, you know, wake up, get up, get out. really ever since then, I've had this relationship with this female spirit. I call her Lily. I don't know what her name really was, and she appears every once in a while and, and, you know, does little things.

But, but yeah, so that was probably the biggest like example I think.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's so powerful. Wow. What great stories. You know, one of the things you touched on very briefly was when you woke up and you were pretending to sleep, you said, like our father, you said the, the prayer, the Lord's Prayer. Is that what you mean? Um. And this is really powerful for me because in the last, like four nights, three nights, four nights, I've had a, a dream, a, a thematic dream that has [00:21:00] shown up.

That is, um, I'm driving a car, I. And a, it's, and two different ways. One, one, I'm driving straight up a mountain face, like completely vertical. It's, uh, slippery. It's like icy conditions. And I'm in this old sedan and I'm going straight up and, and I'm like, and I have people with me, you know, I've got like my daughter, my mom, and a couple other people,

Will & Karen: and

Kara Goodwin: I'm like.

I don't know how long we can do this. And it's, the car starts to tip backwards and I say, everybody pray and, and as soon as everybody starts praying, it goes back up against the mountain. And I felt like that dream, you know, really stuck with me. I really tried to kind of like integrate that and I felt that that was such a powerful message.

But last night. I dreamt again that I was driving. The traffic was really, really tight, like bumper to bumper and, and kind of like precarious, just [00:22:00] dangerous, and, um. I go to make this turn and I realize that the turn that I'm making, I'm now on beams. I'm, I'm on beams up high, like, like a building that was under construction.

So I'm having to drive on these beams and I start to slip off the side and I start praying and I immediately get righted, like immediately. I go back on the beams as soon as I remember to pray, and. Those, both of those for me, you know, the driving, like being in, in control of the car, but then also the car, like not coming out of control, but then remembering that I've got the, the power of prayer and the immediate effect of prayer and then hearing like you being in this very real danger, but also like there's a sleep element to it.

There's a dream element to it. You chose to pray and then you came out of harm's way through that. Like it just, all of this, in my world, like the construction of reality is like [00:23:00] very, very powerful through you. You sharing that? So, woo. Wow.

Will & Karen: yeah, yeah.

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful.

Will & Karen: and when she talks about little things happening, they're not little things. They're things that any one of them would go, oh, okay dude, there's something going

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Um, but we don't want to take up too much of your time. But like, things that are just so, it's always happened to her that way because she's been open to it.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: with me. not been as open to it. So things don't happen. And that's one of the things that we learned over the course of doing the show is that if you feel that the world is a non-ag place, it is absolutely going to be that way. I. But however, if you're opening yourself up to possibilities, the universe is gonna go, woo, right?

Let me show you something.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: little by little, it opens up more and more until you go, okay, we live in a magical place. And you really start recognizing it. 'cause you can look at something, oh, it's just a coincidence. Or, you know. [00:24:00] Write it off or whatever. Luck. Yeah. But if you think about it in, in forms of it's a little miracle or it's a,

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Will & Karen: it changes, it, it changes your perspective.

It makes it so much more fun.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: yeah. It makes it just so much more fun to live and you know, it's a beautiful life.

Kara Goodwin: Absolutely. Well, I think you may have just answered this, but, um, I was wondering the role of skepticism, like how skepticism and doubt, like how, what role has that played in your journey, especially since your your awakening through COID.

Will & Karen: Unfortunately in this, in this industry, just as any other, there, there are lots of people who, uh, don't have your best interest in mind. Mm-hmm. I think a certain level of skepticism, not cynicism, I. Is important. When you are looking into these things, when you're trying to find your path, really important to discern the way forward.

I think that's better discernment, not skepticism. Discernment. Yes.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.[00:25:00] 

Will & Karen: Yeah. Uh, in fact, there was a time, uh, obviously no longer a skeptical, uh, I was very much a skeptic when I first started the show. Um, but over time we, I lost that skepticism because I'm, I've, I've experienced things, I know things I have evolved tremendously.

The guy that I am right now talking to you is not the same guy that I was when we first started the show for sure. But, um. There was a time when, uh, I lost my skepticism. We considered changing the name of the show because we're no longer skeptical, so we, you know, it doesn't, it feels disingenuous. Mm-hmm. But then we realized that the show was never for us. Right. We have gotten all kinds of messages and reviews and things like that where people are saying, oh my gosh, thank you for helping me to feel normal. Thank you for, uh, helping me to move down the, the, the path, find my own way. So we were, though, I started it for very selfish reasons, I was trying to figure out my [00:26:00] way forward. It ended up that we're helping other people as well. And so at that point when we were thinking about changing the name, we realized. We need to think about it because we may not be skeptic in physicians anymore, but our audience is. And so from that point forward, our focus changed. And now it's not about us being skeptical, but rather trying to get, have these conversations with people in a way that those that might be skeptical, that need a pragmatic way to approach it, have those questions answered for them. I do play a little bit of a role in the show. Um, the show's much more. Um, it's, it's lighthearted. We laugh a lot. Mm-hmm. Um, take ourselves very seriously. We take the topic seriously, but we position it in a way where people, um, hopefully are laughing. We're laughing, so maybe they're laughing at us.

I don't know. But maybe, probably. But I do play a little bit of a, of a role because I do wanna provide that, um, that

Kara Goodwin: The

Will & Karen: Yeah,

Kara Goodwin: contrast.

Will & Karen: where

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: it. Um, we have different [00:27:00] perspectives in a lot of ways also, but yeah, so he does, he, you know, knows who we're interviewing. He does all the research, he creates the introductions, all of that.

I don't know who we're interviewing until we sit down and start talking to them. Um, the reason for that is so that I can be more of a representative. Of the audience and kind of ask

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Will & Karen: that are gonna pop into your mind without that background knowledge leading me towards certain questions.

Yeah. Because sometimes I'm too close to it. I do a lot of the research. Mm-hmm. And so

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: I know the answer. So when I'm asking questions, I assume in my head, subconsciously that people know the answers. Yeah. Or you can ask 'em in a way to get the answer out that you're hoping for. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Whereas Karen, um, might be able to check me on that. So we have

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: of that. We have the perspective where she's always known, where I've, I've had to have that proof. We have the female male perspective. Um, so it just, it, it provides a really kind of a cool dynamic, you know,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. And Karen in your evolution, as Will, has gone through his awakening and that [00:28:00] kind of like won the interest in exploring consciousness and the, the mysteries of the world like him kind of opening up to this part of you that was already awake perhaps. Um. How has that, how has that skeptical piece like worked with, with you in terms of your own growth and were there times where that felt frustrating for you or has it always kind of been something that's helped to ground you, or how has that worked for you?

Will & Karen: well with Will, it was a little, we've had those challenges, like that argument that we had about the preschool. Um, but I also, so I've, I've always believed in, in different stuff, but I also am very, I was gonna be an engineer in college, you know, very math, science oriented as well. Um, so I don't know, um, I think.

Hm, maybe the, the, I don't know, change, I don't know if this is really the question you asked, but, um, for me, just learning how many different things, maybe I was skeptical to the [00:29:00] amount or to the multitude of different paths that there are, uh, you know, will talks about jumping timelines a lot, the nut, how, like, I would not have necessarily thought that was a time lunch up.

I would've, you know, said. Something different. I don't know. and then he has his stories of when he experienced that, I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, are you sure? And then, then yesterday, yes, we, we had gone to the, or maybe it was the day before yesterday, we had gone to the grocery store. And um, so he had put away the groceries and I was doing something, making something for my daughter.

So I go to pull out and I was making a cake. I go to pull out, um, milk. We were outta milk, so we had bought a new milk. And I grab it and it's like halfway empty. And I'm like. Okay. He doesn't drink milk. How could CI have drank that much milk? Or, you know, you hear about people going around the stores and opening things.

I'm like, oh my gosh. And as I'm thinking about, and she says, oh, he must have bought a half used carton of milk. Right. Well, I mean, you know, that could happen really, really well if you didn't open it. Maybe you just dunno how much it normally weighs. Mm. So as I'm thinking about this, the carton is getting heavier and heavier and [00:30:00] heavier.

Kara Goodwin: What?

Will & Karen: And at, by the end of my thought, it's full on heavy thing.

Kara Goodwin: Oh my word.

Will & Karen: I was like,

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Let, let me

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: that we're not the kind of folks that will come up with stories, right? That's not

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: are much more feet on the ground. In fact, ask the questions like, okay. you drinking when this

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: bought a half empty thing of milk. Right, right.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: thought, so to hear Karen say that she, she's experienced something recently that she's not sure about, uh, that that channeling and all this kind of stuff, and she's always asking, is it me?

Am I making it up? So she's always questioned it. This was never a question. This

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Will & Karen: Will, it was half empty and in my hands it filled up.

Kara Goodwin: That is so

Will & Karen: It

Kara Goodwin: wild.

Will & Karen: she says that I pay attention because she's not the one to says things willy-nilly like that. So

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: wish it happened to me and

Kara Goodwin: [00:31:00] Well,

Will & Karen: I

Kara Goodwin: go ahead.

Will & Karen: thing that a lot of our, our audience, I dunno if they, well they probably know by now, but we have a lot of very different beliefs,

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: about a lot of things.

So we don't just agree with each other all the time. Different

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Different

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: But yeah,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: uh, automatically assume since we're married, we do the show together. We have this new reality TV uh, platform together that we would believe the same things. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

Yeah. There are many, many times when we actually choose not to talk about something because it's gonna be a trigger point. Um, yeah. But, but the way, that's another way that's helped us to realize the many. Paths one truth, uh, mentality because I see her and I see her reality. I see her experiencing her reality and I'm experiencing mine, and they're very different, and yet they're both so incredibly valid. And then you start thinking about, you know, our, our thumbprints right, and snowflakes and how [00:32:00] no two are the same. So how could we possibly have the same spiritual path if we are completely individual people down to our thumbprints? So then it starts, starts kinda making sense at that point.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, I love that. And

Will & Karen: you.

Kara Goodwin: started by talking about skepticism and discernment and that you know when you are in, you know, and, and this is an really important point, because for people who are on an awakening journey or who are on a spiritual journey. There can be that temptation to just, especially if you're early on and you feel like everybody is ahead of you, you know, you're jumping into these waters that they're, it feels like people already know what they're talking about, and so you just trust, you know, and.

And I, I know that, you know, I've had my podcast since 2018. I have had guests on that I was wowed by, that I was so excited about, and then time goes on [00:33:00] and things start to come to light. I. And you realize like, oh, these people weren't who they thought, who they said they were. They weren't what I thought they were.

Um, I've had to take some shows down just to not mislead people. Like, once you know the truth, then it's like, okay, well, you know, I'm sorry for, you know, if people found them through my platform. But the, the only thing I can do at this point is to not let that happen to anybody else. But I presume like you guys have experienced things like that too.

Will & Karen: absolutely. Yeah. Um, and we do the same thing. We take them down. Mm-hmm. Um, in fact, there was, there was a point where, um, I. We debated whether or not to put them up. Uh, you know, you get a sense for someone when you're interviewing somebody. We had someone who came in and very, right off the bat, they threw a truth bomb at us that it just was impossible to accept.

And then the interview, where does it go from there? Uh, but [00:34:00] so we debated for months. Mm-hmm. Whether or not to release that episode as it turned out. When we, we did pu publish it, we published it with a, Hey, might not be your truth, but it is a truth. And so from that point forward, we, we decided to, to reposition it as we're gonna bring this to light and let the audience figure out for themselves whether it resonates with them or not.

However, your point, we find something. Which just recently happened actually just a few months ago, that someone that we thought we knew really well suddenly turned out to be not that. Mm-hmm. Through no fault of their own perhaps. But regardless, we did have to take it down because it was, we felt it would be irresponsible.

Yeah. To have our show be the referral engine for someone who wasn't quite ready to provide the services that they were saying that they [00:35:00] would, just because we saw. Things that we didn't resonate with, you know, if that makes

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: I, you know, and then, you know, you have the people that come on, they just wanna sell their book.

Oh yes, they wanna sell their program and it's $10,000 or whatever and that. So

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: that, even, even if they can actually do what they're saying they're doing, our goal is to. Help people and to have people that are broadcasting messages of help. So if you're making it just about sales or something that's inaccessible to the majority of the people, that's not, that's not our vibe.

We, we totally understand. Everyone needs to make a living.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: we are a hundred percent on board with let's have a conversation and then by all means, at the end, we'll, we'll talk about mm-hmm. What it is that you're trying to move. I mean, it's just, it's a, it's an exchange of energies. We're happy to do that. But when every answer talks about, well, you could see that in my book. Oh, good Gravy. Can we

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: talk about your book for just a second? Just one question. Just one question. Without having, that has nothing to do with your book. 

Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Will & Karen: it gets, uh, it gets tiring sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, [00:36:00] definitely. Well, it is interesting and, and the other piece to it too, and I, I believe that you guys, um, are conscientious about this too because I've, I've also seen things with your programming with like, we're really trying not to stir up the fear, like, let's move forward to expand our consciousness, but bring the fear, you know, let's keep the fear out of it.

And I've noticed with content, you know, where I've had. People that I really respect and, um, it, they've been fantastic conversations, but ultimately it is more of a fear-based, um, approach. And what's so sticky as a content creator is how popular. Content is, and that is a really interesting dichotomy for people who understand the role of fear and, and what that and the place for [00:37:00] it in our ascension.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: But how it can be so hooky and how it can draw people in.

Will & Karen: in. Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: And I don't know if you've, have you noticed this as well? Because this is one of those things where it's like, oh, well if you want the followers, then go that. Like they've definitely got something. But that is a problem that we need to solve as like as a, as humanity, you know?

Will & Karen: The sensationalizing. Yeah. There,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Will & Karen: No. In fact, um, we talked about programming, It's our programming that makes us on the things that intriguing. And unfortunately, the things that are the most intriguing to society these days is. Sensationalism is how many times have you seen someone whose thumbnail says absolutely unbelievable?

They can't be missed. Right? Uh, life def fire, you know, life changing. Um, like the thumbnails just so sensational. And then you listen to the show thinking, oh my gosh. [00:38:00] And then you go, where's the message? Where's say, how's it? Right? Um, and that's, and that's unfortunate because it does work really, really well.

The algorithm on YouTube, for example. Rewards, that kind of thing. And so, um, people go, they gravitate towards the eliciting of the fear response in order to get the clicks and they get famous or popular or whatever because of it. So we specifically, uh, went out to create something that was the complete opposite because there's so much fear, there's so much division in the world right now that. Again, selfishly, I, I don't wanna speak for Karen, but I wanted, I needed content that I knew I could go one place we, every, every bit of content was going to be safe and educational, and it would help me in my spiritual journey to discover different paths or to learn lessons or to whatever it [00:39:00] is, but, but not ever be served something specifically because it, I wanted a click. So all of our content partners that come on new reality tv, we enter into agreements where the content won't be specifically designed to elicit a fear response. Now we understand and shadow work is necessary. We all have to work through things to to get better, to advance, to evolve. But if the content is presented in a way is meant to help someone process these things, then we're good. 

Mm-hmm. 

But if it's just meant to be. You'll never believe who just got possessed and died or, you know, things like that. It's just, it just isn't, doesn't resonate. So we also, go ahead. I was gonna say, and not to mention so many of those, you know, you see that the faked hauntings and this and that, so it really takes credibility away from the people that really are working with light and with energy.

Mm-hmm. So we don't wanna do that either.

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Will & Karen: Yeah, so we have those tenets. It's no, no fear, [00:40:00] no politics. We don't wanna have divis divisive conversations. And, and there's not much more divisive than politics these days, unfortunately. Uh, and, and really we don't want people to disparage each other because we truly do believe the one truth.

Many paths and new reality TV is meant to explore all these different modalities. So if you come on as a content partner and you start downplaying. Kundalini, yeah, astrology. Um, because it doesn't resonate with you. Then the next content partner that's coming on after you might be a Kundalini practitioner or an astrologer, and now it's awkward.

Right? So we just, if it's not your truth, it's perfectly okay. But it might be somebody else's to just accept that. And one of the, the good, I guess, benefits, um, side effects this platform we've created. So Will loves all the content that's, he loves, like, getting in there and watching the, you know, meditations and the shows and the conversations and they're wonderful for me.

I love. The meetings with our content partners, the community. Yeah. Because I, and we do, we have a community outside [00:41:00] of the platform where they can all kind of get together and they're starting to, they're, we have someone going from Thailand to Alaska to be on each other's shows. It's, it's really becoming this amazing family.

So I can be in the worst mood, you know, got in a car wreck, whatever, and I'm like, oh God, one of these meetings. And I come up to it and then within like 10 minutes, I'm just like, and like you, you, the energy and just the amount of love pouring out of. All of these people. It's really incredible. Yeah, it's, it's my favorite thing about it.

Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful. Tell us about New Realities tv. So you've told us about the tenants and the purpose of it, but tell us what it is.

Will & Karen: Uh, well, uh, thanks for the opportunity. Um, it's, uh, it's a new streaming platform that we have created. Um, we just launched it January 6th. Um, so not long ago, but we, it's, it's like a Netflix meets Gaia without the fear response, right? Um, Gaia's a great platform, but a lot of their things are not in alignment to, you know, alien abductions and demonic possessions and things like that.

Conspiracy theories is not really our thing. So it's really, it, it has television shows, it has [00:42:00] films, it has meditations and activations. Uh, we're working on, uh, an audio stream as well, like a radio aspect to it. Uh, we have a 24 hour live, I'm sorry, 24 hour international broadcast that you just want to go and be served a show to you.

You can do that, but if you prefer to dive into the on demand platform, you have all the content there. Mm-hmm. Um, and then people can go live to it too. So you, every once in a while you'll see, in fact, we have one. Content partner that goes live every day, every weekday. Uh, and he just does a show live on the platform and people can, uh, ask questions and engage and things like that.

So, then we'll be doing like, we recently had a summit, right? Um, it was a weekend long, eight hours a day. It was fantastic. And we also have a quarterly magazine that we published at e-Magazine, so we're planning some retreats and it's really just. It's becoming so much more than just a platform.

It's really becoming like a, a new reality. And that's the thing to Karen's point is really it new reality TV is really a community because it's not just the content partners. We also it up [00:43:00] to those that are, that come and are part of the audience to interact with the content partners. And so it's really meant to be a place where you can go and know that you're safe, that you're not gonna be served something that's gonna, uh. Trigger you that you can dive into the content to explore and learn in a safe environment, where you are going to know that every single person on the platform is there specifically to help you and your consciousness raise. And, um, we do, um. Have it, we have it as a membership. 'cause we obviously have to cover our, our operating expenses, but we're keeping it really low, um, because we do want it to be accessible.

You know, the, we have two, well, three tiers. So we, we'll always have some free content for everyone. They'll get the first three episodes of every show, and currently we've got 40 something shows on there. Okay. 40 shows. And we've got more coming in. So that, that right there is a ton of content. Um, then the [00:44:00] next level it's, it's only 5 55 a month and you get access to 7 77.

Oh, I'm sorry. That's right. It was gonna be, yeah, 7 77, sorry. Um, so you get access to, to, you know, the broadcaster and then all the content as soon as it's dropped. So more than just those first three episodes, it's the weekly episodes, yeah. Yeah. So the weekly episodes and then the higher level, it's only 11.

11. I got that one. Right. So super affordable. And with that one you get access to the, the outer community portal where you can, um, be in touch with the content partners. Yeah. So that, that one's really exciting. Yeah. But, but the, the free part is it, that's the most important thing for us because our goal is to get the messages out right?

This time around, we felt like I'm not, I'm not psychic. I, I've been dying to ask project and never been able to do it. Um, I'm not really healer, right? We're, we're not it. That's not what we're here for this time around. We feel that. feel at this time, my life, this time around is to be a messengers to help these messages, specifically because that's our day job.

We're TV producers by trade, and so

Kara Goodwin: Oh, okay.

Will & Karen: our [00:45:00] expertise and we, we have been called to our skill sets into the world in this way in order to help get the messages out. So even if no one subscribes to the thing. We've done our job because we've got the messages out as in as broad and as wide as we possibly can because they're so important, especially these days.

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful.

Will & Karen: Oh,

Kara Goodwin: how can people find new reality TV and your. Podcast and more about you to connect with you.

Will & Karen: New reality tv, it's very simple. It's just the website, new reality tv.com. And once you get on there, just feel free to pop in, explore, check out the broadcaster, look at some of the shows. Um, and then for our particular show, it is also on new reality. But you can also go to skeptic meta physicians.com and you can all of the episodes there.

And you can also find them on all of the podcasting platforms. Yeah, and I have to apologize because when I started the show, it was just me. So it was a skeptic, meta physician. So the

Kara Goodwin: Uh.

Will & Karen: [00:46:00] is skeptic me physician singular.com. Oops. Sorry.

Kara Goodwin: Ah.

Will & Karen: I am screwing up left and right today. It's okay. Well, we, we took our daughter to the airport this morning at

Kara Goodwin: Oh,

Will & Karen: Yes.

Kara Goodwin: oh wow.

Will & Karen: at three. Um, it's her first trip away from us. Yes. And so I'm a

Kara Goodwin: Oh,

Will & Karen: for my screw up. And

Kara Goodwin: don't worry.

Will & Karen: it at all. Not at all.

Kara Goodwin: And what type of, what type of shows do you have on new Reality tv? Can you give some examples?

Will & Karen: Uh, you name it, we have, uh, they're mostly reality shows in terms of, not, not like those reality shows that you're thinking just now, but basically we have some that are just TED Talks or someone's just doing like master classes speaking to you. We have others that are, uh, like this. They have interviews and they, um, they interview. Uh, experts in particular fields. There are others that are activations, uh, that are meant to activate things inside you. There are others that are meditations that all they are is meditations. we have some, one particular, uh, is a Thai Buddhist monk who [00:47:00] goes around to all the holy sites in, uh, that area of the world and gives tours and then does breath work and, or, you know, Qigong or different things that, that go along with it.

So there's all kinds of different shows. So. The plant one is cool. Oh yeah, that's right. So we have a lady who, um, records plants and their vibrations and their energies and, and the music creates music out of them, creates music. So she's out in the field and this is what a lily sounds like and this is what a, you know, whatever sounds like.

It's really cool. And then we have

Kara Goodwin: wow.

Will & Karen: that is a, a, a medium in a, in a Chandler. And they actually, it's, uh, they, they bring in, um. they call it dead talks. So they, they bring in different entities and they actually, so what he does is he, um, he picks, um, a person doesn't tell her who it is and then gives her clues, okay, we, I need you to find, so she has, is it man or, or woman?

And he goes, man. And then, okay, so everybody who's a female, leave the room. Leave the room. In terms of spirits, right? Leave the spirits, leave the room. Okay. This person lived in the 18 hundreds, okay? Anyone who's no more modern, leave the room and eventually she [00:48:00] needs to buy the information she's getting. She realized, she, she says who it is that she's talking to, speaking to. So it's just, it's very different types of content because some of the stuff is gonna be, we have some films. We just released a film today called Lucid, about Lucid dreamings, lucid Dreaming, that is very highly produced. It's beautiful work.

Mm-hmm. And then we have content that are, it's very, um. Very relaxed, very, the, the production quality is just like what you're watching here or maybe even a little bit lower. But, and we really do celebrate those shows because we feel that right now, especially after Covid, everyone has become so disconnected and people are craving that connection.

And it's so much easier to connect with someone that looks like you and feels like you and sounds like you, than someone who is like, you know, super fancy superstar with this really super, highly produced. Production. We do have some of those as well. We've got something for every, everyone. Yeah. Um, but we did wanna have that, that opportunity for that really kind of granular connection.

Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful.

Will & Karen: is, [00:49:00] our unofficial tagline is regular people going through spiritual awakenings, helping other regular people going through spiritual awakenings. So

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful.

Will & Karen: well.

Kara Goodwin: you so much. Thank you for the work that you're doing to help to raise consciousness on the planet and to make this content accessible for everybody. Uh, thank you so much for being here today, and it's been a beautiful discussion.

Will & Karen: Well

Kara Goodwin: Thank you

Will & Karen: thank you for providing the, a beautiful platform like this to help spread the word itself. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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