477. UFOs, Near-Death Experiences, Deathbed Visions, and Beyond - Simon Bown

 [00:00:00] Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and this is my favorite type of episode where we dive into the mysterious happenings people have reported over time from UFOs to past life memories. To near death experiences and deathbed visions. So if you love to explore phenomena that indicates there's more to life than what's on the surface, you're gonna love this one.

Simon Bowen is the host of two influential podcasts, the Alien UFO podcast, and our paranormal afterlife, as well as a clinical hypnotherapist and an author specializing in topics related to consciousness, reincarnation, and the afterlife.

His research is informed by personal experiences , with paranormal phenomenon, including psychic flashes, UFO, [00:01:00] sightings, and other unexplained occurrences. These experiences have contributed to his academic interest in the nature of consciousness and its potential existence beyond the physical body.

His latest book is called Verified Near Death Experiences, and I was a guest on Simon's podcast recently where we talked about my new book, your Authentic Awakening. You can get this book everywhere, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, et cetera, and you can get a signed copy with free shipping if you're in the US by going to kara goodwin.com/book.

This book will nurture your spiritual growth. , whether you're just starting to explore your spiritual nature or you're further along on your journey, I have practical exercises to help you deepen your spiritual connection. And I also share my more unusual quantum experiences in consciousness.

Check it out at kara goodwin.com/book, and now enjoy this episode.[00:02:00] 

Kara Goodwin: Well, welcome Simon. I'm so excited to have you here today. Thanks so much for coming on. 

Simon Bown: It's great to talk to you again. You've been guest on my podcast and it's great to be the, the guest on your podcast. Like this time I'm the victim.

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Right. Well, I had a wonderful time on your podcast and we both have books out right now, and so I have read your Near-Death experience. Book and it's wonderful. I love exploring near-death experiences. I feel like they're this wonderful way for a multitude of backgrounds to be able to kind of spark something within them, because they don't have the, there, there's not dogma attached to 'em.

It's it's pure experience. before we get to that, tell us what sparked your interest in aliens and the paranormal. 

Simon Bown: I don't know really. I've always [00:03:00] been interested. When I was 10 years old, I'd go to the local public library and get out books on Bigfoot and UFOs and ghosts and all sorts of things. And then as I got older, my interests kind of just came down to the afterlife and UFOs. And I read, um, Raymond Moody's book, life After Life, which I think was 1976.

And I read that in the early eighties. And I read other books as well. And I would go to the College of Psychic Studies in London, and I wasn't, I wasn't a. A student there, but people could go there and they'd be trained in mediumship and channeling and psychic stuff and past life regression and you could go there and pay a little bit of money and the students could practice on you.

So I, I'd go every two weeks and see somebody there and it was like an investigation 'cause I was so fascinated. And I was taken through my first past life regression, 1987 and, uh, yeah, so. Over time just reading more and more books. [00:04:00] And as this more and more came out about near death experiences, it becomes, uh, much more powerful.

A sort of phenomena that that really for me shows that consciousness continues. And so when I started my podcast, that was one of the main things I wanted to cover. And so I've interviewed loads of people who've had near death experiences and researchers, and that's where I found the people for my book.

Most of them I've, I've talked to them myself.

Kara Goodwin: Mm, that's fantastic. Now talking about the UFO phenomenon in, in the eighties and the nineties. Um. You're in a, a hub of crop circle activity and because you're in Southern England, and so tends to be where there's a huge concentration and there has been for decades of the crop circle phenomenon. Have, have you been drawn into any of the crop [00:05:00] circles? Do you, do they play a role at all? 

Simon Bown: No, no, I, I was keeping my eye out. To try and find, to see, 'cause I think there's a, a website might be called crop circle Connector or something. And as soon as they hear about one it's on there and, 'cause they could be close. I used to watch that to see if one showed up, but it never did. So I, 

Kara Goodwin: close 

Simon Bown: love to go and visit one.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, Do you feel that you've had like ET encounters or been, have you seen UFOs?

Simon Bown: Yeah, I'd seen UFOs a couple of times. I, um, saw one very close up. When, uh, what happened was I'd just done a gig with my band on a Sunday night in a town called High Wickham. And um, we packed up and then it was like 1:00 AM on Monday morning. I'm heading on the M 40 back into London and I know that stretched the motorway really well, and I [00:06:00] know.

There's nothing in this field onto the left, but I could see a really bright light there, and I thought this was odd. I thought maybe they're doing emergency gas repairs or something with electricity cables or something, and so I slowed down and there were no other cars on the motorway, which was a bit weird 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, 

Simon Bown: and.

Kara Goodwin: a sign. 

Simon Bown: There was, there was something up here, I think it was like there was some trees and I could see the light, and so I slowed down and just as I came past the trees, there was this craft just sitting there and I was doing five miles an hour and I was looking at it through the windscreen and then leaning forward and looking up at it, and it was about the size of a large house.

Completely silent, didn't move an inch the whole time. Yeah, and it was about 25 feet off the ground, maybe 200 feet from me. And there was loads and loads of pin spot red lights across one half of the bottom of it. [00:07:00] And from the other one there was a really powerful spotlight pointed at the ground. And yeah, so you kind of think, well, it's not a helicopter, it's not an aircraft.

It couldn't be a hot air balloon. 'cause I was that close. I could get a really good look at it. And then. As it got out of sight behind me, I just increased my speed and went home. So, which seemed a bit weird 'cause I had such an interest in UFOs. I wonder if I should have stopped.

Kara Goodwin: Well, you know, in exploring like. ET encounters and what people pick up through hypnosis. Some people find that they have stories like that, but when they go under hypnosis, they actually went on the ship, but they didn't retain the memory. There was like a screen or the memory was cut out for, you know, because it would be too much. Have you explored doing, because you're a hypnotist, right? 

Simon Bown: Yeah, I mean, one thing about it is. 

Kara Goodwin: under. 

Simon Bown: I have. Um, [00:08:00] but with that night, I knew enough to check the clock when I got home to see if there's any missing time and there wasn't. I, I did have a, something crop up during a past life regression, and I'm not sure if. Somehow I made it up. My subconscious made it up.

'cause I, I've read so many books about this phenomenon of the, the alien abduction. But I, I was taken through this past life and I saw the death of that past life. And then I, I was kind of like a ball of light looking down on the body. And the hypnotherapist, who was trained by Dolores Cannon, she was, uh, just saying to me, okay, now just drift away.

Just get higher and higher. Drift away from that life. Just tell me the next thing you see. And I went from like zero to a hundred percent terrified in an instant. And I saw myself lying on a table with these grays, either side of me, and the hypnotherapist said afterwards, she said, I saw all your [00:09:00] muscles quivering.

You were so scared. And she said she didn't, I didn't want to tell her what I was seeing. I thought, this is crazy. I, I, what? What's going on here? Because. There was no attempt to find anything like that. This was a past life regression. It wasn't that we'd gone in looking for it. It's 'cause some people might say it was a hypnotic suggestion.

Your mind made it up 'cause you were searching for it. But I, I was lying on this table and they had this. Sort of thing on a crane. I dunno what it was, doing something to my stomach. And then suddenly it was like they put a vision in my mind where I was standing in this forest and there was an area about the size of a football field that had been cleared.

So it was all these fresh stumps and things and there was a planet in the sky that was really close to us, far too close for reality. 'cause the magnetic field and the gravitational field of the planets that close would. Be such a mess. But there was a pathway coming off that planet [00:10:00] and all these children in whites were walking down the pathway and where I was at the bottom of the pathway, all these adults and all these children were coming off the path and there's all smiles and hugging.

And I heard this phrase in my mind that said, when the planets meet, the children will return. And then. I was back in the room and I was standing up and I had a gray either side of me, and they walked me over to the wall and a hole opened up in the wall that was like cookie cutter shape of me that I could just perfectly go through.

And it didn't go into a room or a corridor. It went into this massive energetic space that was full of colors or shimmering. And as soon as I went through, I was doing a hundred miles an hour through this space, and there were other people in there. I got into this small long room, it's almost like a railway carriage, and it was completely white, and there was all these chairs down the sides that were kind of blended into the wall.

They weren't separate from it, and [00:11:00] there was clothes everywhere, like pajamas and things. And these two grays were there, and I got this kind of telepathic message. It said, no one goes home till you get dressed. And then I walked down to the end of the carriage where they were standing and there was a hole in the floor and I stepped into that hole and went through it.

And then I was at home in my flat in London, 2:00 AM and I went to bed and then got up in the morning, went to work as usual, like completely forgot what happened, if it was real.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. And so in that regression, that was in this lifetime. 

Simon Bown: Yeah. Because that, I know that I was living in that flat in the 1990s, so yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. That's fascinating. And it's, and you know, I've done QHHT as well, and I know exactly what you're talking about, where it's like, well, this is what came up. I don't know how much I made it up. You 

Simon Bown: Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: know, because the whole [00:12:00] way to do it is like, the first thing that comes to mind, the first thing that comes to mind is sometimes there were things that couldn't even explain, you know?

And, like, I don't even know how to. It was such a cacophony and it, I didn't have any reference point for some of the things that I was seeing. You know? It was like, for example, you know, I was like, the best way I can describe it is, you know, the, the symbols, the instrument like that, a marching band, somebody might crash two big symbols together. 

Simon Bown: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: And it was kind of that shape where it's more or less flat, but it does come out a little bit in the middle. And they were like. The, whatever this was, it kind of came, it was spinning and it was vertical and it was joined, you know, it was like two symbols joined up together, spinning, and I'm like, I have no idea what I'm seeing, I am seeing this, if it's even like, if I'm really even seeing what I think I'm, what I'm trying to [00:13:00] describe, or if it's just this. in my mind that doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, I don't know what it's for. I don't know why I am seeing this, you know? Um, and I never did get any, any further clarification or context for it, you know? But, so I, I appreciate what you're saying and, but yours was much more logical than mine. 

Simon Bown: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: You had a story and, you know, but. It can be. It can be very dubious, I think, at least my experience. 

Simon Bown: Yeah, it's, and then with the UFOs and the abduction thing, it can be very strange. Some really weird things show up in it.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Well, I wanna talk about your book and near-death experiences now. Have you experienced a near-death experience yourself? 

Simon Bown: No, I haven't. I'm just, uh, I've had these other experiences, but nothing like that. It's almost like I'm on [00:14:00] a, on a, my, like we're all on a spiritual path and every now and then something small comes along and gives you a hint and it might be that's your next step on the path. And it might, might have been like seeing the UFOI saw it 'cause it wanted me to see it, and that was another step on the path.

And it seems like some people have a, a huge step on the path, like a near death experience, but uh, maybe it's, yeah, I haven't had one 'cause I don't need one.

Kara Goodwin: Right. Yeah, I, I would think that that's right because they do seem to be these huge openings for people where it totally shifts their perspective of what's going on with reality. tell us about your book.

Simon Bown: Yeah, so, uh, it's, uh, it's right here. There's 30. Near death experiences and every single one of them has an incident where the near death experiences saw something and it's later verified and the people can say to them, but you were dead when that happened. There's no way you [00:15:00] could have seen that. And they see things that are in another part of the hospital, or not even in the hospital or or wherever they are.

Because, you know, some people have a, a car accident and they'll have their near death experience. But that's the thing that I, I really like about doing my podcast is finding these kind of verification events. And you can find it in with children who remember their past lives and medium ship and all other areas, but.

What I did was, uh, there's 24 in here of the people that I've interviewed and I talked to them about everything that happened and when I finished the chapters, I sent them the chapter so they could check it out so we could be sure that what I've written is accurate. And then there's some other cases.

There's uh, two or three famous ones. I've got a small number from a long time ago, one from 1911 that happened in London and that. That one, the, the way the guy describes it is exactly how near death experiences are described today. [00:16:00] So I've told you what happened with him. He was 16 years old and he was walking down the path in London and a wall collapsed and fell on him.

And that's how come he had this near death experience. And his parents lived in the house in the country while he was living in London. And he was 16. And he worried about his mom 'cause he thought, I'm dead now. And then instantly he's with his mom. At their house and she's sitting there knitting and his father's reading the newspaper and she suddenly goes, my boy, my boy's been hurt.

And the father's, oh, don't be silly, it's nonsense. And she goes, no, no, we have to go to London. And he's saying, well, no, we, and she insisted. So they got the train to London and here in Spirit form went with them, was on the train and heard the whole conversation. And so. To cut a long story short, when he was resuscitated and they got to him, he told them everything that he saw and they said, yep, it's [00:17:00] absolutely correct.

That's what happened. That's the conversation we had. But there was something else that happened that before they came to see him, he was still out of body and he was in this house close to where he was, and a woman had just given birth and the doctor was there, but the woman and the baby died. And he was there in spirit form and he felt this massive pull to the child's body, almost like he could join with it and live that life.

And he said it was a real compulsion, this real feeling, and he nearly did it. But then he thought of his mum again and thought, no, I've gotta go back to my body. So when he got back to his body, he thought of that pole and that's how he got back into his body. That feeling of getting close to it and moving into it.

Kara Goodwin: Wow, that's remarkable. You know, there's a, another, you, you talk about how, because your book is verified near death [00:18:00] experiences, so that's a big component of the book where there's that critical element where there's something that a, a person in a traumatic situation where they've lost consciousness, would not have access to the information that these people come back and say. One of the stories, for example, talks about somebody in a hospital who had a near death experience and he even A conversation that the nurse was having on the phone with her husband, I wanna say, and then could even like, was with the husband and was hearing, you know, what the husband was saying and, and the circumstances that were surrounding it that had nothing to do with him and they were able to verify, you know, that he'd been on the other end of this conversation. So it's v very much verifying that non-locality. Of consciousness that, you know, we're not from a consciousness perspective, we're not bound by location [00:19:00] of where the body is and the access of to information that we have. 

Simon Bown: Yeah. And in that. Story. He, um, saw the husband's socks and they had little animal pictures on them, and he looked at them and thought, what kind of a man wears socks like these? And then when the doctor returned, he was, had those socks in his hand. When he went back to visit Ty, the typo put Noki was the guy.

And that, that's great because there was also a nurse at a cabinet. Who dropped an item that went underneath the cabinet and he was able to describe it and even got the serial number right, and the doctor went in the room and pulled it out from under the cabinet. And, you know, he was receiving CPR at the time in a bed.

This, how could he possibly know these things were going on? So this, you know, in every chapter, there's all sorts of verification events there.

Kara Goodwin: Right. [00:20:00] Yeah. And with your research into NDEs, has it changed anything about what you think about death and consciousness? I mean, I know you've been. Researching consciousness, basically, you know your whole life. 

Simon Bown: Hmm.

Kara Goodwin: there anything in that particular body of work has changed your understanding of anything? 

Simon Bown: Yeah, I, I, I'd say, uh, 'cause the book's called Verified Near Death Experiences, proof of an Afterlife. And so these things for me has proven that there's an afterlife and I'm, you know, I have no fear of death. It's not like I want to die. But, um, that's shown me also from my experiences of past life regression and taking people through past life regression and also all these children with past life memories that shows me reincarnation is a thing that's, that's real.

So it's [00:21:00] also in near death experiences when people have a life review that can be such an impact on them. And they have that thing where. They see every moment of their life and they see how they interacted with people and they see scenes when they were really mean to someone. Or they would see one way they're really nice to someone, but then they experience it from the other person's point of view.

So when he was mean to them, he could see how bad they felt and he would feel how bad they felt. And it was a kind of ripple effect that that person then would feel bad and be mean to somebody else. And the life Review like that, I think can be. Such a shock and so impactful. That might be one of the reasons why near death experiences change so much when they come back and it's, it's almost like it's a real message for all of us.

But another part of the Life Review is that when he was nice to someone that was seen as something really great, because a lot of the time when people are going through their life review, they have [00:22:00] a spirit guide with them or some kind of spiritual being or maybe a deceased loved one who are helping them through it.

And when you do something nice for someone, they, they're like, yeah, excellent. Well done. And you don't realize just how important it is. And some of them say even the slightest little thing that you might do for someone that's nice and generous has such a big impact and that we just don't realize it. So that, that's been a real, I dunno, an education, a real eyeopener, that understanding how your behavior affects everyone around you.

Kara Goodwin: Mm. Right. That's it is amazing just how connected we are and when you're able to interact with it at a soul level, you know, at that energetic level. That you.

really feel it in a much more profound way. What is your perception based on all of the research and, and the stories that you've immersed yourself in with near death experiences [00:23:00] reincarnation in terms of where we go death, you know, for lack of a better word, like do you see there being like one heaven. For, you know, in common terms and con common Western terms that everybody goes to heaven or is it, you know, there are people who talk about it's, it's right here. It's, it's right here with us in, we are sharing the space with it, but we just can't see it. Tell me what your view is. 

Simon Bown: I wonder if the space that people go to when they have a near death experience is maybe like a halfway house or something. And you might call it the theater of the near death experience. 'cause everybody. Will have a experience which is tailored specifically for them, and it's perfectly tailored to them.

So somebody might be in this incredible landscape with Greenfield and their pets are there and these incredible [00:24:00] buildings, and then somebody else might be in, in a cityscape that's a wonderful city and others might have a distressing experience. And so I think maybe there, there's. Specific locations that are built just for that.

Lots of people describe certain places that, um, that like there's three in my book, these people talk about this enormous white building that's just incredible and it's a place of knowledge and learning. And one of them said they saw people coming and going and all. Sorts of period costumes like people from medieval or the seventies and that you would go to the building and there'd be a flat wall and it would open up and allow you in and it would match your frequency with the room that you needed.

And when you go inside it's floor to ceiling shelves full of books and scrolls, and there's people around studying them and it's almost like this is the heaven for people who love to study. And that there might [00:25:00] be another place where it's people who love to go white water rafting or something. But then there's uh, the books by, um, Michael Newton, where he took people through past life regressions and went into the space between lives.

And that space seems very different to these incredible landscapes where you would meet with your soul group and your C of elders. And, uh, there's maybe a healing place. And so it's difficult to say really. It's almost like there's a certain frequency to you, your consciousness, and you'll go to the place which matches your frequency, and that may be lower frequency or a higher frequency, but there's always this thing that you will progress and move higher in frequency.

And in my book, there's George Richie who goes to this place that's like a city that he says it's. Seems to be on 24 hour war production, making weapons and things, and there's [00:26:00] loads of dead spirits there around the live people. And there's all this awful kind of behavior going on with all these people.

And then there's another place where it's a city that's so incredible, and when you are there, it feels so amazing and everybody's with you and you feel like you know everybody there and they know you. So. I wouldn't say there is one place. There seems to be all sorts of places depending on you and your subconscious and your frequency.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Thank you for that. That that is how I see it as well, where we. We have these resonant frequencies, we have these, you know, we are vibration, we are energy vibration. And we just go where, where we match, you know, where, which would be maybe where we're from. Um, but there's, there's a, I know there's a lineage or a, a teacher or something.

They talk about a home [00:27:00] frequency, you know, where it's like you've got your sort of default. Frequency. And of course as energy beings, we're taking in all kinds of energies all the time. And this experience where we're interacting with lower frequencies and higher frequencies because we're interacting with each other. We've got, we're exposed to all different kinds of invisible energies around us as we move through this life experience, but we have that resonance that's specific to us, and so. would be a multitude, like you're saying, of possibilities and we would be drawn to what matches us, you know? But it is, I, I wonder sometimes, like with the near-death experiences, like they're getting that glimpse of like, what happens immediately after, you know, you're talking about the life review and so forth, and then you have Newton's work where it's more of like, okay, this isn't immediately after this is like what? [00:28:00] quote unquote life style is when you're not on earth, which is slightly different, right? It's, it's more about like the ongoing, it'd be the difference between like day or at college, you know, or, or you know, move in day at university where it's like, okay, go find your room. Go find your counselor.

Go find, meet the people who live on your floor and see where your classes are, and all of that kind of stuff, versus. You know, you're a few weeks in, you know, what's going on. You're, you're in the schedule, you're being tested, you're, you're studying and all of that kind of thing. Um, you know, just different experiences between those two, those two periods of time. Even though time wouldn't be a thing there, but. 

Simon Bown: Yeah. Yeah, that's what makes it confusing, isn't it?

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Right, right. And, and you know, this is a vast universe with endless possibilities as Well, so, know, it makes sense [00:29:00] that people have all these different experiences and like you, I have been interested in spirituality, in, in stories like this. And then the, the weirder stories. You know, as a child I was very drawn to like. and and the pyramids and all of these things that it's like, wait, what? That's a thing that, that's a thing on this planet. Like that's so different from our regular reality. but the near death experiences, I feel like there is this allure to them because we're all, we are all going to die, and that's a huge mystery.

Nobody comes back and tells us, you know. Uh, I mean, you can find it, mediums and so forth, but like in the everyday life, we don't have people who died and they're telling us like what to expect and you know, we just, it's just this mystery. They're gone and, and we are [00:30:00] left thinking that they're gone, that they're truly gone. but you also talked about how the past life regressions that you've done have also into your understanding of. happening in the afterlife and, and reincarnation and so forth. Are there any surprising or particularly moving experiences that have come through the sessions that you've facilitated with past life regression or any, any hypnotic sessions?

Simon Bown: Well, one thing I see often is people in tears, and it's not as though they're sobbing and crying. They may be talking normally, but there's tears of streaming, and I think that might be down to some kind of energy release or something happening. And it, it is a thing in our house. So I, I finish a session, I'll see my wife and go, I'm, Hey, somebody cry.

And she's like, yeah, great. Well done. But, um, so sometimes things show up. There was, uh, a [00:31:00] session I did and towards the end of every session, we go into the space between lives. And this woman met with her spirit guide who said, right, you've gotta come with me. And so we followed the spirit guide and he took her to a library, this massive library, and they got this big book out for her and put it in front of her.

And they said, this is the book of your soul. And she was looking at the pages and she couldn't read the what was written. And I said, well, let's ask them why are you showing us this book if you can't read it? And they said, this is just to show you that everything's in the book. Everything happens for a reason.

So that, that was an interesting one. I had a, a guy who went to a life on another planet. That was very interesting and for myself, I uh, had a past life regression where I saw myself as a small girl in a park, and it was a very distinctive park because it was on such a steep slope. I. And it [00:32:00] was two years later that I found that that park, 'cause it was so distinctive, so recognizable, and the houses around the park were exactly as I'd seen them in the past life regression.

And then in that life, I grew up to be a nurse in the First World War and I was in France, close to the front lines. And these men were coming in with terrible injuries and. That was, you know, that was very hard to deal with that for a year or two. And then later, another past life regression, I returned to that life.

Where I was about 30 years old and I'm on this street in London and there's a car next to me and this man there that I believes my husband, and we needed to get something done. And I'm saying, well, I, I can do it. And he's very patronizing and talking down to me a kind of, oh, you're just a silly little woman.

Don't be ridiculous. And I, I felt really quite [00:33:00] angry. Like, how, how dare you talk to me like that? You dunno what I'm capable of. You dunno what I did when I was in the war, when I was dealing with all these injuries and these men. So that gave me this, that kind of perspective of being a woman and being talked down to by a man, which, you know, would never happen to me otherwise.

So that, that was, uh, an interesting experience. So all, all sorts of things come up.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, it's so fascinating and I know that you're also interested in deathbed visions, and I would love, do you have some things you can share about deathbed visions?

Simon Bown: Yeah, they're fascinating. I, I talked to Dr. Christopher Kerr, who's, um. In charge of a hospice in America. And he had to go through all these, uh, checks to make sure what he was doing was ethical. And he did a study in the deathbed visions and he wrote a book about it. And so he's [00:34:00] got videos as well on. A YouTube, I think, where he's interviewing the people who are having these experiences.

And so they talk about how, you know, people come to visit them in the last days of their life and they say, oh, my father was here, or My mother was here. They're gonna come to collect me. And they say, it's not quite time yet. And they say things like, can you make sure my bags are packed and make sure I've got my passport?

The nurses or the family may be in the room and they'll see them talking to someone who's not there. And the thing is, it's like they're seeing ghosts or something, which might be quite scary, but it's not at all for the people that are experiencing this. And I believe that hospice nurses see this a lot.

It's, it doesn't seem to be talked about much outside of it, but I talked to Dr. Penny Sarto, who's a near death experience researcher, but she was a nurse for 17 years and she was, her [00:35:00] first job was working in a hospice and she came into the night shift and they have a, a little meeting at the beginning of the shift to just explain what's going on in the hospital and the.

Person said, and uh, the person in room 17 has started talking to people that aren't there, so we can assume they're gonna pass on in the next couple of days. And Penny star, Tori was like, oh, I get it. They're playing a prank on me. You know, it's the new girl will play a prank on her. But she did go to that room and that was exactly what was happening.

This person was talking to somebody who wasn't there, and they say things like, um, one of the patients said. That they were looking out of the, the, the room, the window at all the children playing on the grass, but there's no grass outside the window. There's no children. And others say things like, there's a hole above them with this light coming through.

And the, the people say, they see them reaching up, they're trying to get to this hole so they can go [00:36:00] through it into the light. But it, it's a thing where. The body's slowing down and getting closer to death. And uh, Christopher Kerr said that they notice that the closer they get to death, the more frequent these experiences are and that it can be so helpful for people who are dying to take away fear and.

What have you. And that if people start having these things, the doctors shouldn't treat them like hallucinations and think we better give them some more drugs. 'cause you know, this isn't good because it seems that the more drugs the people have in them, the less they have the experiences. 'cause the skeptic might say, well, they're hallucinating because of the drugs, but they get more of it without the drugs.

And it seems quite a mean thing to do to give them morphine when they don't really need it. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Well, it makes me think too about, um, the role of cats in hospice. I'm sure you've come across [00:37:00] this too, but where, um, you know, nursing homes, for example, you know, retirement, what would do you call them? Nursing homes in the uk. 

Simon Bown: Yeah. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. Um, or hospice. You know, they might have a resident cat and that cat will. there are multiple stories of this. Do you know what I'm talking about? 

Simon Bown: I'd say when the cat goes to visit.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

The cat will go and lay like with a particular patient and, and there's something about how long they spend there, the behavior of the cat, but that also is like a predictor. So you talk about that meeting that the, staff had where they were seeing the signs and they're like, yep, it's this pers this patient is close. know that there are other. It similar things where it's like, oh, the cat won't leave the room of, you know, room one 17. And so, you know, all, all indicators suggest that, that they're in transition, which is just fascinating [00:38:00] because I, I have found cats to be so perceptive. I have two cats and one in particular I call my galactic cat she seems to be really tuned in to when I'm noticing like. Vibrations in my body or like heightened, you know, things heightened kind of energetic things, heightened things. You know, it's kind of like she will start. 'cause a lot of times those things for me will happen like before I fall asleep. But kind of in that transition time that hypnagogic state between wakefulness and sleep. And I, I will start feeling things within my body, vibrations or I'll hear things or, um. And she'll come frequently when this is happening, and she'll like, dig her open mouth at the top of my head and like root 

Simon Bown: Yeah, 

Kara Goodwin: the top of my head. Or she'll lay on a certain part of me and it, it is the part that's vibrating.

Like if my solar plexus [00:39:00] is vibrating, she'll come and lay right there, or she'll just wanna be nearby. and it's happened so many times that it's like, oh, this is like, she is being very intentional with. Where she's placing herself. so it's just fascinating these, these indicators that come, this, again, back to the mystery of this reality. it's just fascinating.

Simon Bown: Yeah, and it's weird how we might be seeing a connection between UFOs and the afterlife and, uh, frequency and consciousness. And it's, like I said earlier, some really strange things come up during the abduction phenomenon where it seems like people are taken, but their bodies left behind. And it's a consciousness that's taken.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah, that's how it's been for me. You know, I wouldn't say that I have ever been taken.

Or been a board, you know, a craft [00:40:00] or anything. But I definitely have had experiences where I know I'm in my bed, but I also am like, it's as though I can also perceive that I am somewhere else as well. And I can kind of see it a little bit. You know, I might see like thin lines that are showing the shape of something and. feel presences, but I also am like, but wait, am I still in my room? I am. I'm in my room. I'm in my bed. You know, so it's really interesting. 

Simon Bown: Do you ever have it when you close your eyes when you're going to sleep and then you see shapes and uh. Sort of things coming across. 'cause I, I've had that recently 

Kara Goodwin: I. 

Simon Bown: and I was talking to this guy who's got a YouTube channel about alien encounters and he said that he's had an increasing amount of people talking about that happening.

So I dunno what that is.

Kara Goodwin: [00:41:00] yes. I, that, that is how it happens for me. Where, um, I will close my eyes. I'll see like moving patterns, you know, like I might see like a, for example, like a oid. Field, you know, like, um, is sort of like donut shaped. Um, but often I see it from the side, so you can't even like, see that there's a hole in the middle or anything, but in all this moving energy around it.

But it looks like these moving shapes, moving patterns. And then sometimes I'll see more standalone geometries and, and things like that. But Yeah.

I know, I, I do experience what you're talking about. So, so interesting. 

Simon Bown: Yeah, 

Kara Goodwin: Simon, this has just been so fascinating. I love exploring these mysteries. I love what you're doing out in the world with your podcasts and your book. people how they can connect with you and get your book and tune into your podcast.

Simon Bown: [00:42:00] Yeah, so the podcasts I've got are are Paranormal Afterlife, an alien UFO podcast, and they can be found on Apple and Spotify, all those kind of places. And my website is past lives hypnosis.co.uk, and you can go on there. And there's a booking page, and go into my calendar and book a free 20 minute call where we could discuss past life regression and what you might wanna achieve from it.

And the book's called Verified Near Death Experiences. And that's on Amazon paperback, Kindle audio book, and you can get it other places as well.

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. And do you do those sessions online or do people have to be near you? 

Simon Bown: It's all on Zoom. I, I have clients all over the world.

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. I've loved this discussion. I really appreciate you being here today, Simon. 

Simon Bown: Yeah, it's been great. Nice to talk to you again.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, thank [00:43:00] you. 

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