489. Benevolent Reptilian Guides, ET Contact, & Galactic Channeling - Rob Gauthier

 [00:00:00] Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. It was such an honor to record this episode with Rob Gothier. Rob is such an awesome guy and I've had the pleasure of getting to know him over the last couple of years. He has a remarkable story of how he came into contact with two important spirit guides who have surprising origins and have helped him dramatically turn his life around.

I'll let him give you the amazing story in this episode as we go along. He's gonna be hosting the channel panel in November 20, 25, and I hope to attend this event myself, so I hope to see you there too.

Rob is one of the most respected trans channelers in the world for more than a decade. He's helped thousands of individuals receive clarity on their life path and mission.

Rob primarily works with three main guides, art if Treb [00:01:00] and Metatron, but has channeled hundreds of et consciousnesses. Rob is also an in-demand speaker and teacher and has been featured in many documentaries, internet shows, interviews, and books for his unique channeling abilities. so before we dive into this episode, I want to invite you to explore the beautiful array of resources waiting for you@karagoodwin.com. 

From my book, your Authentic Awakening to Powerful Free Meditations, my Learn to Meditate course, and even personalized guided meditations created just for you. There's something there to support you. No matter where you are on your spiritual path.

And now, enjoy this episode.

Kara Goodwin: well, welcome Rob. I'm so excited to finally be doing this. I can't believe it's been this long since I've ever had you on here. You should have been on here a couple of years ago, but thank you so much for being here. Thank you. I appreciate your patience. I know, uh, my life has been a little weird and we've tried to do it a [00:02:00] couple times I've had to reschedule, so thank you for being patient.

Rob Gauthier: I'm really excited. Well, I feel like we've been friends for a while now and that's, that's what I mean more than the rescheduling. 'cause life happens and, and time is crazy. And you just got back from Japan, so I am, I'm just really honored that you're here. Um, let's start the conversation by talking about your connection with the guides that you channel and how this connection was established and your soul relationship with them.

Yeah, so it, it's, it's a bit of a long story and, and I know I've shared a lot of different place, a lot of different ways and a, uh, different times. So I try to compact the story, but it's a lot to it. Um, you know, when I think about my spiritual journey, I don't think about where I met Trev. I think about.

The process that started everything in motion for me, which was the birth of my son. Um, he was born in 1999 and when he was born he had cerebral [00:03:00] palsy and, and, um, it's a degenerative disease that's caused by brain damage. Um, so by the time he was one, one and a half, um, the doctors really was, uh, told us what the worst case scenario was with it.

Uh, told us that he wasn't gonna be able to do a lot of things that other, other kids were walking, talking, things like that. Um, it was very heavy. I was a young dad. So at 19 years old, I get this news that the person who I fell in love with, the only person I ever dared to love more than myself, um, is going to have a really hard path and probably not live very long.

And it was very heavy. Uh, a lot of, uh, heaviness came with that news. So, uh, when he was two, I had a car crash. Um, and that got me hooked on pain pills. Um, and that was the one thing in the world that took the obsessive thought process away from me. Um, obsessing over him and his health and all the things that were, [00:04:00] um, that I, I was mourning.

'cause you know, when I got that news, it's like, oh, you know, the, the son that I had, the, the excitement I had to see him do all these things that, that everyone gets to do, you know, uh, go through high school, go to college, go, you know, get married, uh, play sports, do whatever he wants to do. Um, that all kind of just got wiped out in, in a matter of one conversation with the doctor.

So I was mourning that and it was pretty, uh, heavy situation. The pain pills took that, that kind of intensity away from it. And of course it didn't take it all away, but it numbed it a lot. Um. Anyway, I, I kept going with that and, um, eventually my prescription problem turned into a full blown drug addiction problem.

Uh, the doctors kicked me out, so I had to start going, uh, to the streets and, and illegal means of, of getting pain medication, which led me to the harder drugs. And, and it was about a 10 year [00:05:00] cycle. Um, the one thing that didn't get lost during that 10 years was my connection and my love for my son. Uh, and even my attention and focus and time I spent with him had gotten to be way less.

Um, and that's what really red flagged me. That's what got me to start. Looking at it like, this is more than just a, a personal problem. This is a problem for my son. And that's what kind of helped push me in that direction to get clean. And eventually I did get clean and anyone who's ever, uh, kind of had a drug diction problem understands that when you get off drugs and you've been on them for a very long time, you get a lot of new thoughts and emotions that you didn't have for a long time.

Uh, maybe even never. And through that experience, I really started loving things again. Like I love nature and I loved my dogs and I loved taking pictures of the sunset and, [00:06:00] um, all these really weird things, you know, from my perspective back then it was very weird to, to feel so, uh, happy about normal stuff.

Um. So whenever people go through kind of like a very large emotional change, they often reevaluate everything in their life. And, and for me that was what is this place? What is this universe? What is God? Uh, all the things that I search for as a child and did not find any good answers with, uh, standard organized religion.

You know, my family, a very Christian family. And we went to some hardcore churches. Uh, if any of you, um, weren't around during the eighties and nineties, I'm sure you remember Satanic panic and all of that type of stuff. It was a very intensive, uh, church, uh, situation and environment that I was in. Kind of been evangelical type of environment.

Yes. And bor border aligning to the ridiculous In some [00:07:00] cases, like for instance, I couldn't watch the Smurfs because Garel was a demon's name and, and, uh, the, the cartoon was Satanic. So as a kid, while everyone's watching Smurfs, no. Uh, same with he man, because Skeletor, you know, was evil. Mm-hmm. And, um, yeah, it, so I, that was the religion I had around me.

And, um, it, it didn't feel right and I genuinely like, was interested in religion. Like I would go there and I would ask these really. Uh, to my mind, uh, amazing questions. You know, like, Hey, why does it say this here in the Bible and this over there? Or, why does the Bible say this? And, and the intention behind these things are from fear.

So I, I really dug into it very deeply, um, and with, with genuine curiosity and never, uh, ever got satisfactory answers. And the few answers I got that borderlined on, it was basically like, well, that's just the way it is, you [00:08:00] know, that's the way God intended it, or something to that effect. And so, you know, turning on these new neurons and, and excitement in myself, one of the things I wanted to figure out is, Hey, what's going on with this, with this world?

What, you know, I always felt like there could be a God and that there probably was some type of creative being, um, that all of this beauty and and complexity of the universe couldn't have just come on accident. Um, so that was my first thing and I bumped into a spiritualism church. And it was close enough to the Christianity where I found some level of comfort there.

Like, oh, you know, I know this. But also they said, Hey, um, we can prove to you what happens after you die. Um, because that was another, uh, thing of mine in the childhood, having some experiences with ghosts. Um, I ended up doing deep dives on that as a child, so that interest came back to me too. And they said, we can speak to [00:09:00] them after they die so we can tell you what the afterlife is.

And I was like, oh, this is gonna be great or horrible, um, but I'm gonna give it a try. And it was absolutely amazing. They told me about my son, and this is before, you know, social media was a thing or was a big thing, and I, I never shared personal information. That's how long ago it was back when you weren't supposed to share personal stuff on social media.

Um, and, and so this was, you were working with like a spiritual medium or something? Yeah. Yeah. A church, a spiritualist church. Uh, it was a, it was a, uh, a congregation, um, in Grand Rapids, the city. It's about, uh, 60 miles north where I live now. Um, it was the only place that had them, but I had seen something online about a spiritualism church, and when I did some digging, uh, I found it very interesting.

Mm-hmm. So I went to the closest one, and it was a church. They had about 40 members or so. Um, they met every Sunday. Um, and so during the church service, they're bringing this sort of information to you? It wasn't like a private [00:10:00] session. Um, it, I met with him before, 'cause when I went in, I came in early.

Okay, gotcha. So, I met with a preacher before, but they did do, um, what they called billets. And basically they would give a number out to everyone during the service, and then they would give a miniature reading for what the number was. Oh. Um, 'cause the, the person who was in charge of the church was. Um, a medium and actually, you know, hanging around there long enough.

I found out most of them were mediums. Oh, cool. Um, yeah. And I was like, how can you know, this guy is amazing. This gift that he has is beautiful. And it's like, dude, everyone can do that. And I'm like, no, not everybody. Um, but I hung around and learned meditation and, um, yeah, and, and it, it grew my horizons a lot.

So that's usually where most people's spiritual journey starts about there. Um. I hung out with him for a while. I couldn't do the, the organized religion thing. There was a lot of, uh, [00:11:00] things that reminded me of the old churches infighting, um, couldn't agree on, on beliefs and, and things like that. Uh, so I started doing my own research and I found the Gateway Hemi Sink Experience, um, from the Monroe Institute, and that's what I got started on.

And that really took my meditation from just getting a visual sometimes, or maybe a word or two, um, to, to going out of my body. And I kept doing this for a long time. I did the whole course. It was like six, uh, different waves and like six parts per wave. Um, and it took me about four or five months to get through the program.

And once I was done with the program, about another three or four months, um, I went into a meditation. I was having a, a rough day feeling pretty disconnected. Um, and at this point meditation was like my new addiction. I was doing it hours and hours and hours a day, like three times a day at 90 minutes a day.

[00:12:00] Plus whenever I wasn't doing meditation, uh, whenever I could keep my eyes closed and just listen, that was a, a really big amplifier to how I felt energy. And then that one day I was just having a tough day and I went into my meditation and that's when I met Trip, who's my original guide to my very first being.

Um, and I, I did, when I say I meet him, a lot of people are like, what do you mean you heard his voice? It was like a, a an out of body astral projection. So like the most lucid dream or the most realistic dream you've ever had. It was like that. But my, I wasn't sleeping. I, I was, uh, awake with my body just in a very, very deep state of, of meditation.

So, um, and tell us about Tre. Tre is a, a very gigantic, uh, huge and scary looking reptilian human hybrid. And I know that's a swear word for some people, the reptilian, uh, thing. [00:13:00] But, um, what you would assume on my first meeting with him is exactly what happened. I freaked out. Um, instant fear. Uh, like even, even, it's funny now that I, I do the out of body stuff so much.

I don't really feel fear there, but this was like the most visceral physical feeling, fear I ever felt. Um. And then within a matter of just a few seconds, um, it stopped. And the reason it stopped is this, uh, gigantic feeling of love was being directed at me. And, um, some of you who might have psych experiences realize, like when you're in that state, you have that sixth sense.

So I don't know how I knew, but all I knew is that this love that made the love that I felt for my son feel small, uh, and insignificant was just this huge amount of love. And it was from this scary looking being to me, and I had no idea why. And it disarmed me [00:14:00] pretty quickly. Um, you know, he told me, he basically just shared a, a quick few minutes of words with me.

Most of it was our souls are connected. Uh, we are connected. I'm here if you want to connect with me and then boom, I'm done. And, um. I, I, I really did not know what to do. I, I thought maybe my brain was broken or something happened with the meditations. Um. So I didn't go back. And then finally I started going back.

About three or four days later, I started meditating again. And I, I had to know what was going on, so I went back. So you, did you invoke him? Do you, did you feel that you invoked his presence the second time? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, I had done something different that first day I met him than I ever did with a meditation.

So I knew that that was the new triggering mechanism. So if I just step I a trigger triggering mechanism, gimme one. So for the 21 steps that they [00:15:00] do, uh, at the gateway experience, you literally go from like one to 21 and each takes you into a deeper, deeper state. Um, that's where it ended. And that day that I met Trip, I was like, what happens if I go past 21?

Oh. So I was just like, beyond 21. And when I, I said it, I wasn't saying like 22 or 23, I was just like, and beyond 21. And when I did that, instantly, boom, right back with Trev the second time. And, um, it's funny, a lot of people think, oh wow, you started channeling this thing that you met. But I actually had connected with Trep, like on a daily basis for every day, uh, for over two years before I started channeling him.

Like we never did channeling until after I got to know him. Um, that place in my life, I, I had just come from this very, uh, very street life lifestyle, um, [00:16:00] where, you know, I'm hanging out with drug addicts, gangsters, and, and very intense people. So rule number one is you don't trust anyone. Rule number two, if someone's selling you something, you better ask why.

Um, and I still had a lot of that mindset with me. I'd spent my whole life living that way. Um. Because even before I got into the drugs, I, I hung out with those type of people. Um, so it was very, uh, it very long process for me to learn to trust Tre. And I think probably after six months I started realizing that A, I'm not insane, uh, b, that this being and me were actually connected somehow.

Um, and he explained to me, but I, I really didn't understand it. It took me a while to really understand. And then three, whatever this being was sharing with me, it was shifting and altering my life hugely. Like as much as my drug abuse to cleanliness, uh, from [00:17:00] drugs changed me in a good way. What he shared with me and trying to understand that, that absolutely shifted my life to black and white, which is one of the main reasons I asked him to channel through me.

Um, when I was looking at the stuff he was saying and going online and investigating, the only type of information that was similar was channeled. So I was like, oh, they, they can channel, can we? And we did. And, and I think the fifth time, maybe fifth or sixth time, fourth or fifth time, I, I channeled him. I went straight to YouTube and started sharing it.

So. That's amazing. And what sort of year was this when you first contact, when you were first in contact with them? Around 2008. Um, I say around then because 2010, uh, at the very end of 2010, uh, I believe it was probably November, December is when I first released the YouTube channel. And I remember having talked to him for almost two years.[00:18:00] 

Um, a lot of that time in my life is a bit fuzzy too because, uh, chemical adjustments of my brain, uh, chemistry of my body, a lot of it was still going through change. 'cause I didn't just, you know, jump off of drugs and stay off drugs. It was a process. Um, I went through methadone clinic treatment. Uh, I went through, um, different types of treatment after that.

So it was a long process and. I, I want to say it was probably towards the summer or spring of 2008 when I first met him. 'cause it was right around the same time my son was turning about nine years old. Mm-hmm. So I, I guess my drug addiction probably was only about eight years. I always say 10 'cause it felt like 10.

Um, but it started when he was about two and yeah. So that, that's probably about it, about 2008. Okay. And. What types, what types of things was he [00:19:00] sharing with you that were, because again, like when we, when you think about 2008, you know, we've just had this rapid acceleration over the years and now so many people are channeling, so a lot of people have more, um, reference points if these things start to happen to them, to themselves.

Kara Goodwin: But in 2008, you know, we didn't have this plethora of information at our fingertips and, and spoken of so widely. So I can imagine that it was. Really profound. But do you have any, does anything come to mind in terms of examples of the insights he was giving? Oh yeah. Tons of them. Um, you know, the basic things that he would share, uh, that he still shares, you know, um, that you as an individual being, uh, is a creator and that you create reality from the inside out and you also join with a lot of other people on earth, a lot of other souls who, uh, are also creating their reality.

Rob Gauthier: And then [00:20:00] we have that shared overlapping co-creative reality. You know, he sets some things that I already had intuited. But I didn't know, like, um, reincarnation exists and, and reincarnation isn't, uh, a soul trap because you're damned and because you're not good enough as a soul to get to the next level, um, that, you know, reincarnation happens so that your soul goes through a school and a learning process.

And it's a lot like going to kindergarten and then going to first grade and second grade. Um, each life you are learning new lessons and, uh, some of them are hard, some of them are easy. Also, the earth isn't the only place that does that. You know, you, you get into reincarnation cycles anywhere you go. Um, some of the most intensive information was the self-creation stuff and the, and the soul stuff.

But, uh, later on, after art started coming around, after I started sharing my chaing publicly and. [00:21:00] That's when like, uh, universal mechanics started coming through, like really intense. Like, this is how the universe works, this is how, uh, it's layered. This is how you evolve, these are the steps of evolution.

Um, you know, things like that. So it became very intense, uh, the more that I understood new, but just, just these things. Um, like the biggest example when I think of the most life changing was my understanding of my son and his journey as a soul. Before I was just like, oh, this human being I love so much, um, was unfortunate enough to be harmed, uh, during birth.

And, and now he's stuck being in this bad position for his whole life and he's gonna, he's gonna pay the consequence of that mistake of the person or, or whatever, all these different thoughts. And it always made Jeremy out to be the victim of the situation. Um, when he explained to me. [00:22:00] That Jeremy as a soul had been through wars and had been a soldier and had been, uh, what do you call like an inventor, like a genius, mind level inventor in all of these different lives that he needed an expiration of just the emotional experience of being loved, of not having to do anything with his body, but exist and experience raw emotion without communication, without any of the other stuff.

I was like, holy crap. Now I see a soul who's in a body having experience and not just some poor kid of circumstance. So it, it. It didn't take the, the feeling, uh, away from me hating to see my son go through horrible stuff or, um, the medical stuff that was so tough for him. But it took away that feeling sorry for him.

Mm. It took away me saying, oh, this poor victim of everything in [00:23:00] life. Um, and I think when you're a person speaking to another person, when you see 'em on the personal level, that's good, right? We're human, we're supposed to do that. But to respect the soul and the sovereignty of the soul and the soul's desire to have an experience, that's one of the hardest things that parents have to do in this life is, um, love your child, uh, follow your instincts and be the parent that you feel you should be, but also respect that this is a soul who's just as infinitely wise as you having an experience.

That they thought highly enough of you and your soul that they wanted to join you on. And that's profound. Oh, that's beautiful. And so well said. I, um, that resonates so strongly with me with things that I've been through with my own kids. And, you know, my daughter had a medical issue last a few months ago.

Kara Goodwin: That was a, a huge [00:24:00] mountain for us to climb to. It wasn't to the level that, that you have with Jeremy, but you know, it was a major surgery with a, a long recovery. And, um, and leading up to that, there were a lot of decisions that had to be made and that that tightrope of advocating and wanting the best for them and also like when they're coming in and, and like, I don't want that, that's not the path I want.

You know, I, I wanna go this route. And it's like, I. You know, you have to be the grownup and you know, it's like honoring sovereignty and, um, it's, it's such a, it's a, a delicate dance for sure. So one thing when you talk about Jeremy, um, it makes me think of the telepathy tapes. Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?

Rob Gauthier: I have not. Um, I want to very badly and [00:25:00] as much as it is for Jeremy, also Lily, um, our daughter. Right? Yeah. She just turned six. She's, um, still non-verbal. Uh, pre-verbal. 'cause she is saying some words and she even just, uh, a couple months ago said, I love you just outta nowhere. Just I love you. And I was like, holy Molly.

Wow. So for both of our kids, um, they're both nonverbal and, um, I've heard so many amazing things about the telepathy tape. Um. And I just, I haven't got a chance to, to digest it yet, but I, I definitely want to, it's on my to-do list. Yeah. I was just curious if you have experiences with either of your kids where you, you get the sense that they are, you know, they're reading your thoughts and they're right there with you, even though they can't communicate back in the same way that we do.

For sure. Uh, both of them are exceptionally psychic and fortunately, um, you know, I always say to Kaleena, Lily came to us, um, for a reason. [00:26:00] Um, like, uh, right now, uh, Kaleena and Lily are living in their own place. This has just been a more recent situation since, um, March or or April. Um, so before that, we were all staying together, living together, and Lily had gotten behind on some of her development because we were so in tune with her.

And so, uh, psychic, like when she just put up her hand, you know, that could mean a million things. But we would be like, oh, she wants this food or this food. Oh, she wants a drink. And sometimes we'd get it wrong and she'd push one thing away and we're like, oh, this is what you want. So we were so in tune with her, um, that, that we could feel that.

And it did. It did. And it does still go the other way. There's a lot of energy where, you know, uh, if she hears one of us frustrated or something like, Hey, Lily, you're not supposed to be doing that. She'll [00:27:00] laugh. But if we're going through a difficult time, um, and we're expressing similarly, she'll actually have that empathy for her and come up and give you a hug or touch your face.

So she's very in tune with us, uh, and us with her, and there's a lot of communication going on there for sure that, uh, not even in a direct way that I can read, you know, being a channeler. And being a psychic is very similar, even though I've never seen them the same until more recently. Um, but I, I didn't even realize how intuitive I was until Lily came along.

And then, um, after that, when I started speaking to friends about situations they were going through, they're like, oh, wow. That's what I picked up too. And I was like, how did I know that I didn't know anything about the person they're talking about or the situation. So she has helped me see how in tune that I am.

Um, and she herself is, is very in tune. And, um, you know, [00:28:00] I notice things too, like, uh, people, she's very good about people even though she's not very, um, social, she will stay away from people who are very imbalanced. People that I pick up on, I'm like, oh, we should probably not be, get close to that person.

They're, they're not in a good place right now, mentally or emotionally, and she does the same thing. Um, so she's very in tune with other people, even if she doesn't know 'em. So what a big gift. That's so beautiful. Yeah. So if we go back to Tre and Arti, you, you touched on Arti. We've talked about how Treb showed up.

Kara Goodwin: Can you talk a little bit how about how Art DIF showed up and who that is and how you guys are all connected? Yeah, yeah. And sorry, you did say, uh, in the first question how we're connected and that one skips over my brain. The, uh, so art, if. Was always present as far as like [00:29:00] with tr like when I first started talking to Trip, probably our fourth or fifth conversation, I asked him, are there other beings out there like you?

Rob Gauthier: And he is like, yeah, the universe is full of 'em. And I was like, well, no. Is there some being that you connect with? And he's like, yeah. Um, it's a being from d nib Sickness, which is dib, the, the star and sickness, the swan constellation. And I know when I pronounce it, some people think I'm saying sickness, but it's nu uh, C-Y-G-N-U us.

It's the constellation of the, uh, bird. So I just heard him referring to this being as Dean of Sickness, uh, for well over a year. A year, well, for a year and a half. And then about a year after I started channeling, so maybe two, two and a half years. And then finally as I've been sharing my channeling, uh, people started following, uh, the channeling on, on social media.

And, um, you were correct. Like back then, the resources, [00:30:00] um, the amount of channeling that I had to compare it to was almost nonexistent. Uh, like when I first met Tre, I think the only people like YouTube was still pretty new, and the only people on there was like, uh, uh, Darrell Anka who channels Bashar and, um, Lee Carrow, who channels Cryon?

Uh, Wendy Kennedy. Um, and I think like the movie tuning in Spirit, channelers of America, and then, um, some Jane Roberts stuff that was really all that was out there. Um, so anyway, I'm, I'm connected, uh, sharing my information and this guy says, Hey, I wanna do a book with you about Trev and his race. And I was like, okay, great, let's do it.

So we did, I don't know, 20 sessions or something and, um. We ended up transcribing it by hand and then, uh, doing, uh, uh, a book with it and one of the questions. Pardon me? One of the [00:31:00] questions he asked was, uh, Tre, are you able to bring some other beings through? And he's like, yeah, I can. So he would bring them through.

And that was the first time I channeled anyone besides Tre. And it really wasn't me channeling outside of Tre. It was me channeling Tre, all Tre was channeling someone else. Oh, interesting. Um, yeah. Which, which is great. And that's still how, how I'm able to channel so many beings. Trevor Bernard are my, uh, telephone guys.

They're my, uh, operators, really. Um, so he brought in a bunch of beings from his race. Um, he brought in a family member. And then, um, uh, Jefferson, the guy I was doing the book from, uh, he asked him, can you give us another person who would like teach you or, or someone who's taught you before? And then he brings in the being and he, uh, introduced himself as our diff and the most intense, profound 20 pages in the whole book was from what Artis shared.

And he explained what a [00:32:00] density was and a dimension and the evolution of his soul and how it works and all of these soul mechanics. Now I still didn't know Art Diff, I just heard this amazing channeling and, and when I went to go back to listen to it, um, I couldn't find the recording. So I took the transcript and created a recording from it.

I would just listen to it over and over again trying to absorb the information. Um, it wasn't like it is now. I've done it so long where I channel something that I, I know it right away, even if I haven't heard it yet. Um, but I would just listen over and over and eventually. Um, a year or so goes by maybe a year and a half, and IFF had been brought back in maybe two or three different times from Treb.

Um, and then I did this thing, uh, I met Kale right around that time. Um, we started our relationship at [00:33:00] that time, so it was about 2014 ish and I had already been channeling for four years at this point. And, and maybe art if, I don't know, maybe 10 times I had ever channeled 'em by then. One of them was for a course that we were doing, um, and it was about densities and dimensions and we called it the Density Masterclass, and IFF came in just for that and like, I think we did the three or four different really intense two hour channelings and it talked about everything, how the universe works and.

After that I kept calling back for Trev to, to bring a artifact and to ask more questions. And then one time we were randomly, and I can't remember. I think Kaleena, um, was co-hosting some radio show with me or something, or maybe we were on her radio show and I was helping co-host, I can't remember, but IFF came in that time.

Um, and by then I was able to connect with his energy a bit more. [00:34:00] So it was different. Than it was the first several times I did, it was stronger. And, and it, it, it was less like tre's energy, um, because Tre's channeling him. So a lot of tre's energy kind of ran through the, the vocal part of it too. Um, and then finally he said, I am ready to work with you now.

Rob is ready to work with me now. Um, so I'm ready. And from that point forward, I was able to connect with him myself. Um, I've had flashes of him, Kaleena. I have seen him in more detail actually. She's one of the first people, uh, she was the first person to do an artistic rendering of him from her vision.

And then when I talked to Trev about it, and then I had my own vision, I was like, yep, this is exactly what he looks like. So I never get that time with art. If, like I do a trip, the face-to-face time, the intimate, the talks and, and you know, years of [00:35:00] face-to-faces. Um, but I can feel him very strongly in my own energy field.

Uh, I can talk to him without being in a channel state if I, if I sit down and meditate and focus. And his sense of love that he has for me and, and for other humans. I feel that very strongly too. So it's as deep of a connection as my connection with TRE is. Um, it's just, uh, a little less direct and, and personal, if that makes sense.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And so if talking about densities and dimensions, how, where are TRE and IFF in terms of densities or dimensions or, or however you relate to other realms? Yeah, so if you ask Tre if, um. It is. What's funny is TRE and IFF have different descriptions of, of densities or dimensions, [00:36:00] how they number them, but it's, it's, it's all the same mechanics behind it.

Rob Gauthier: Um, so IFF actually teaches Trev's version because Tre was the first one that shared the idea, um, with us. So, so they don't wanna, uh, muddy the waters like they say. Um, so our density that we're in is like a third density experience, fourth density physicality. Um, so that would be like fourth density, fifth dimensional.

Um, and, and we're just starting the process of that as humans, where all of human history was more third density, fourth dimensional. Um, Trev's race is a fifth density or sixth dimensional, and IFFs is six density, three seven dimensional. So. The density division does have something to do with dimensionality, [00:37:00] but it's mostly about the evolution of the soul and the aspects of it.

So tre's race being a fifth density being their part of evolution that they're going through right now as a mastery of wisdom. Um, and, you know, hundreds of thousands, millions of years, they will incarnate over and over again, um, filling every role, experiencing every experience on their planet as their race, until either they get done with the whole cycle or they get done with a part of the cycle that they wanted and to get to, and then they're done.

So some races die out before they get to that six density, which is where IFF is. IFF is six density. That's the very last physical density. So art's body is physical, trev's, body, physical. They're not physical in our dimension, but in their own dimension. They're, they're physical, they are born, they die, [00:38:00] they reincarnate.

So these dimensions are still very physical, even though like the lightest, uh, frequency in our own reality, in our dimension is light and light is actually, uh, more dense than the lightest thing or the heaviest thing in their dimension. That's why. Dimensionally, we can't see them, we can't touch them, but we can feel them and connect with them.

And then Iff being in sixth density, there's nothing above him. So their race is literally at the very end of their incarnation cycle. Um, I don't know if Art's Lifetime will be his last incarnation, um, as a soul from DN and, and the Pleis and going through that, or if he's gonna have several more incarnations.

But once they're done, their race will be done. They will leave physicality and, and then start a [00:39:00] new cycle. And this, it's very complex. The density's idea is much more complex than we think. But the, the part is that they always tell us, which is very funny, is don't focus on all the details. 'cause it will make you activate more mental energy and then, and then you won't be able to feel into it.

But I, I don't care. I'm a mental type of guy, so I really love the dynamics of it. Um, after sixth density, that's where collective consciousness has come from. So beings who don't live in physical existence anymore, like Atlantians, Lumion, these beings did exist in higher dimensions, but after they left the incarnation cycle, their collective energy is there.

And that's the dimension above that. And then planetary collectives, solar system collectives, uh, galaxy collectives, universe collectives, it just keeps going up. And that, that's why I really love it. 'cause it gives me a workable [00:40:00] model for how the universe works, how consciousness works in a physical universe where the soul itself is inherently not physical.

And it, it's a very, uh. It's a very fascinating thing for me. It makes my, my nerd brain and, and my, um, science brain really get activated because it gives me the, the missing link that we've had. Um, as humans we're like, oh, this is how science works and we're wrong about so much of it, but that's fine.

We're, we're learning, right? And that's how we learn. We we're wrong before we're right. But nobody ever accounts for that consciousness Science is like, oh, no, no. Consciousness is over there. Physical stuff's here. We're gonna focus on the physical stuff. But you can't really complete the understanding until you have that.

And even though my understanding is just like a couple grains of sand to the whole ocean, uh, of, of knowing. It really helps me, uh, close that [00:41:00] gap a little better. I love it. And when you talk, uh, where is Treb from the eighties? No, uh, Tre is from Capella, uh, the Star system, Capella. So if you look out at the night sky, uh, it's very close to like serious area.

Um, it's in the constellation called Riga, uh, A-U-R-I-G-A, I think Riga, I don't know how it's pronounced. I've never heard it pronounced. I've only read it on paper. Um, and that's the brightest star, but it's actually a four star system. There's two stars that are about twice, uh, no, 10 times bigger than our star, uh, that are very similar to our star like white stars.

And then there's two red dwarfs and he lives around one of the little red dwarfs. But because it's so far away, we just see it as one big shiny star from here. Um. So Capella is his home. Iff, uh, is very interesting. [00:42:00] Their race was originally born and started in the, the pleidian areas. So the ples, the star cluster, and again, a lot of people have misconceptions about ple, pleidian or ple.

Um, they say, oh, Pleidian is like a star system, but it's actually hundreds of stars with tens of thousands of different races and different dimensions and different physicality. So when you say pleidian, that's kind of like saying human except for it talks about tens of thousands of, of, of different races that just come from one shared space of stars, uh, clustering.

Um, they moved from the pleiss and then went to dib, which is the alpha star in the constellation of sickness and. The star that they moved to, they actually moved to, because there was no other inhabitants in that whole solar system. And the [00:43:00] Ian area was such a, a compacted area because all the stars are pretty, they're not like super close where, where it affects each other that way, but they're close enough where they didn't feel their consciousness could grow as far as they wanted it to because there are so many other races and so many other incarnations and stuff.

So they went out, it's like moving out into the country to get some more room to breathe, and they went to the, uh, star dib and that's where they started, uh, their, their incarnation cycle there. So this is why they call, um, art of the Ancient Pleidian, because a long time ago they did come from the Pleiss.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, interesting. Well, I'd love to learn a little bit more about Tre, I mean. We, I have not really explored Reptilians very much on the podcast, and I know you, you kind of started this way when you started talking about Tre early on in our conversation because you [00:44:00] said you were afraid when you first saw him, and he's very intimidating.

But he has been this loving presence and this guiding light in your life, which is not something that people might assume with a reptilian. So can you talk about the fear with Reptilians and, and your own experience and what their kind, why that might be and the evolutionary, um, aspect of Reptilians?

Rob Gauthier: Yeah. This is a very, very big topic, uh, for me. Um, also my, uh, ex-wife Colleena, uh, is also a Chandler who channels a lot of different Reptilians. Uh, her name's Colle Angel with two s, and she. And I have done a lot of exploring on this topic together. Um, the first thing, yes, uh, fear, uh, reptilian energy. At that point, the only things I'd heard about, uh, reptilians were that they [00:45:00] were evil.

I didn't even know if they existed or not. I, I thought it was probably not true. Um, but you know, enough people had experiences where I'm like, well, only one of them has to be telling the truth for it to be real. Uh, so I considered it as a possibility. Um, and then meeting him was the most terrifying thing ever.

So. Now that I've worked with Trev for so long, um, I've also channeled so many different types of beings. A lot of it comes from my own curiosity. So I asked Tre, you know, reptilians, what's the deal there? Why are they the bad guys when you're so loving and kind? And you're right, Trev's race is, uh, considered extremely benevolent.

They're considered a type one race, which means that they observe the free will of everyone that they see theirselves as like part of oneness that they believe in, and bringing information from above down to them, and then letting them be a conduit to redistribute that information through to anyone or, or everyone who wants [00:46:00] it.

So it's a very benevolent stance to take. Um, even though a lot of people say neutrality means you're not picking sides. Uh, the type one is, is a very respectful energy. Um, not all reptilians are like that. They're just like humans. There are good ones, there are bad ones, there are in between ones. Um, but Earth has a lot of experience with Reptilians.

So going into history alone could, could take hours, but. The shortest way I can explain it. The Anunnaki was like the first beings that came to earth after the humans started their incarnation cycle. And when they came down to earth, these beings were genetically partially reptilian and partial cian. So they had the Ian feminine energy, uh, a lot like artists race, but more human, uh, artists race is humanoid.

Um, [00:47:00] but they also have like blue skin, purple eyes, purple hair. These were more like humans like us, um, like from Earth. And they had this Palladian human genome and wanted to explore the masculinity. So they found genetics that were pure masculine. That was the draconian DNA and they stole that. And, and that was not a very, very smart move from them.

It, it definitely put them on the bad side of draconian quickly. This is the Anki who did that. Yes, correct. The aki. Um, so just recently on my trip to Japan, I found out a bit more about the story. Uh, you know, people always said, well, AKI came for gold, right? And Trev and I for like, kind of, and I was like, what do you mean?

Kind of, yeah, they came, that was part of the reason, but not the main reason. Okay, so what's the main reason? Nothing. Crickets for a decade. And then finally they get more [00:48:00] information. While I'm in my trip in Japan, someone asked about it and um, I don't know if it was Trevor Art, if I think it was art, if it spilled the beans on earth.

The, the incarnation cycle that was right before us was the earth reptilian beings. And these beings were a hybrid of the dinosaur animals that we had on our planet. And also the draconian. The draconian beings are like the major most, uh, massive group of, of reptilian beings in our galaxy. And they also seed out the galaxy with reptilian genetics.

There were a lot of reptilian like animals here when they first got here, but there weren't a lot of highly developed, like most of them would be third density, and they would die out before they would ever get to fourth density. So they're like, okay, we're gonna help this along a little bit. And they would give the races that they deemed worthy the gift, which was half their genetics.[00:49:00] 

So the dinosaurs were one of the many races in the galaxy that were reptilian archetypal that fit the reptilian physical. Uh, makeup and then they put their DNA in them. So these beings were already here on Earth. They were in third density when the Anunnaki came. Um, and they started hiding out. 'cause the Anunnaki didn't really care for them.

They, they, they knew that they were kind of off limits. They also didn't want to draw the attention of the draconian beings back to them knowing that they were here. Uh, the Draconian have a very hands off approach with, with their hybrids. Um, not really hands off, but like. Most reptilians, you know, you, you leave your young to grow on their own.

So they just kind of changed their genetics and left. They gave some information to the more developed, uh, members and then left. So here's these people who stole from the draconian coming to a planet where they're draconian hybrids. So that was the thing [00:50:00] that, that never got, got shared until recently.

They came to Earth not just to find this race to, to work for them, but because the hybrids were here, they were able to get more specific information from the genetics from the Earth Reptilians, which gave them a lot of ability to start doing stuff with their own. Through their experience, they became genetic.

Um. Um, uh, like genetic masters at that point, when they first introduced Draconian DNA to themselves, they were very early in their exploration of, of gene, uh, splicing and gene sequencing. Um, but now they had a whole bunch of reptilian beings right in front of them that had the genetics they wanted, so they would, uh, use that.

And in their creation of us, um, they used some of their own genetics, which are reptilian, um, plus earth reptilians were [00:51:00] there and they changed humans fundamentally. They gave us some of their DNA, the, the Anki, and then. Uh, stayed here for a couple million years and then left. And like they left us with not very much, you know, they, they took our intelligence way up here.

They dropped it back down. They kept changing our genome, um, until finally, you know, after several thousands of years of their own evolution, they're like, yeah, we probably could have done that better with the humans. You know what I mean? We tried to flood 'em and kill 'em. It didn't work. Um, and they, they were fighting between the Anunnaki.

Um, some of them really loved us. They saw us like, Hey, these are our really good pets. And others, like, loved us, loved us. Uh, sexuality happened between them, uh, and humans, which is part of the, uh, RH negative factor genome for humans with the, those are like descendants of direct sexual contact with Anki.

[00:52:00] So. We had enough of their genetics where we have it inside of us, but we also have the wounds there. We had trauma with Anunnaki who had, uh, a lot of reptilian, DNA. Um, we worked with Earth Reptilians after the Anunnaki left the first time. And when they came back and when the other races started coming down to earth, because now this is a little hotspot of genetic manipulation and, and multidimensional DNA starting all of these different races started coming back and every time they did, um, it would hurt the relationship with the humans and earth reptilians or they would introduce new traumas.

Um, so I think our fear of Reptilians and all the stories about how bad they are just come from our repetitive parent trauma with Anunnaki. And earth reptilians, you know? Now, when you say the earth reptilians, would these be the classical reptilians, like the [00:53:00] dinosaurs that you mentioned, or, you know, uh, reptilian animals or are these like reptilian humanoids that we don't acknowledge in the mainstream?

Um, yeah, the, when I say earth reptilians, I mean the beings who are actually a dimension higher than us, they still exist on earth. Um, some, there may be an an Antarctica kind of territory or a lot of them are underground, but a lot of 'em don't need to be underground either because they're a dimension higher than us.

Only really highly psychic people usually end up seeing them. Now, early in our, our history, they weren't as developed because. They're on earth. Their, their DNA is from earth, and earth grows at the same time. So when we're going through a cycle, they're going through a cycle. They're just one cycle ahead of us.

So at first, their vibration was low enough and humans was high enough where [00:54:00] the really psychic people could, could see them. And now they're, they're growing as we evolve, they can drop down their vibration low enough to, to come into our physical experience too now. And I think it's been that way for at least a couple thousand years because you've heard a, a lot of people talk about earth reptilians and their experience.

So unfortunately, you know, we have so many misconceptions about 'em. Like earth reptilians are horrible. They eat babies, they, they drug people and drag 'em into caves. All this really off the wall stuff, but. Earth Reptilians are just like humans. Um, they live on earth, so they adhere to the earth rules. And the earth rules is that our collectives will have a spectrum of really deep, dark disconnection and really high vibe, excitement and connection and everything between.

And you can pick any of it you want. So [00:55:00] most of the Earth reptilians are either very neutral or very uh, kind. And a very small percentage of them are also the, the percentage that are more powerful in their society that make most of the rules that have access to most of the military. Things like that are the not so nice ones.

And I. They have been around, uh, longer than humans have been on earth. This, you know, and that's why they have some of the more nasty ones to neutral ones have a superiority complex. They're like, you know, this is our planet guys. You're, you're just, you came after us. So they look at us like, um, Kalina and I were actually talking about this last night.

She said. Um, the way we look at children when they do something that's really silly, um, but they're so cute. It doesn't matter how dumb the thing they just did was you're just like, oh, that's adorable. Some of them feel like that with us, and others are like, well, they're dumb. [00:56:00] They're, they're young and they're dumb.

You know, so, so that's, we allow them that and without messing with them. But, um, the superiority complex for some of the more mean ones has caused, uh, traumas too. Some of them feed from fear, uh, especially the more malevolent ones, but it's very much like humans. Um, you think of humans who go to that very dark place, uh, the ones who hurt other humans and find joy in that.

It's very similar. Um, so there are some on the spectrum. It, it's, it's hard to talk through this with people because people have so much fear around it, but reptilian energy, even the draconian, which are seen as the worst, uh, the most malevolent, the baddest reptilians in the whole gala, even they are misunderstood tremendously.

Um. And for me, I have taken notice from Tre Bernard of both of these beings being a Type one [00:57:00] race. I've learned neutrality pretty well, and I'm not, I don't live it like they do, but I'm very good at when I try to tune into it. So I'm trying to see the perspective. Um, and this is why I've, I've been willing to channel more malevolent beings as long as Tre and art to filter that through me, because I want to hear what they gotta say.

I want to see what their perspective is. We can't come to peace with ourselves or with others until we really try to at least hear the perspective. Um, this is why it's hard for me to hear people argue about politics or nationalism or, or, you know, even sports. It's like, guys, you know, we're, we're as different as you might think.

We're all the same in a lot of ways. Um. But yeah, I think, I think the reptilian thing is highly misunderstood. Um, highly feared a lot of people just put a lot of bad mental energy towards it. And, and just like anything in our [00:58:00] world, if we fixate on it and call it evil without knowing it or understanding it, then we can't ever see beauty or goodness in it.

Kara Goodwin: Well, I love that perspective, and I love your, I mean, your life is a testament to a testament. Yeah. Sometimes I wonder if I'm putting an extra in, in that word, but I think I said it right, um, to the fact that these beings exist on a spectrum. Just talking through your history and your kind of early adulthood and then how much things have changed and the, you know, what you've experienced, but then what you're putting out in the world as well.

You've got these enormous heart and you're working in service every day, um, with your family, of course, but for humanity too. So it's, um. It, it, I mean, the proof is in the pudding and, you know, this is somebody who has, it's [00:59:00] been, you know, quick math, 17 years, um, since you started interacting with tre and, you know, you've, you've had this huge acceleration and, um, of, of hard energy in your, in your life and in your work, and it's just really something to take note of.

I think for anybody who is, who this is new for, because like you say. People can get this idea of what a reptilian is and then just turn their back and say like, Nope, that's not for me. It's, it's a, I'm scared of that and I don't wanna take any steps towards it. And, you know, we, you know, we, we want to have a more expanded view than that.

So you are, you mentioned the channel panel that you did. I didn't realize it went back as far as 2017, but you have one coming up in November. Talk about what the channel panel is and what people can look forward to in [01:00:00] November. Yeah. Uh, actually the first channel panel we did was online, uh, 2014, and then we, oh, our first live one was 2015.

Rob Gauthier: Yeah. Kaleena, my ex-wife. And, and I, um, started doing those all the way back then. Yeah. Um, we took a hiatus after Lily, and then the one in January was the last one. January of this year. Yeah. That was the first one we did since 2019, since, uh, Lily was born. So, um, yeah, the channel panel is an amazing, uh, event.

It's, uh, at this point the world's largest all channeler event. So we just get a lot of different channelers from different areas of the world and different, uh, areas of channeling and we bring 'em all together. Um. Uh, like, uh, Daryl Anka, who channels Bashar, he's, he's one who's done, uh, three or four of them at this point.

Uh, he's gonna be at the one in November. [01:01:00] Um, Wendy Kennedy. Um, we've got a ton of great channelers, um, throughout history and in the one in November, so we have 15 different channelers coming. And to this one. And it's in, uh, West Virginia, Princeton, West Virginia, in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Uh, there's a lot of energy there and a lot of, uh, uh, history there and a lot of, um, the Cherokee, um, energy there.

A lot of, uh, that area is Cherokee land. So we're going to be gathering up in Princeton and we're gonna be doing three day event, uh, with 15 speakers. Uh, myself included, Wendy, uh, Darrell, um, Pamela early on. Um, I always say her last name wrong, sorry, Pamela. Uh, and then a lot of other channelers will be there too, so, um, yeah, we're doing it live stream too for the main hall.

Uh, we're also doing workshop break offs. So we have the main hall that sits a [01:02:00] thousand people. And that will be where people who get three day tickets go. And then, um, you can also see your favorite Channelers in a smaller group of 150 people where they're teaching, uh, more intimate personal, uh, workshops.

And the workshops won't be live streamed, but everything in the main room, the main hall, all of the channelers channeling and doing q and as with the audience, uh, that will be live streamed. And, uh, it's November, uh, 14, 15, 16, Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Princeton, West Virginia. The channel panel.com is where you can go see that.

Kara Goodwin: Wonderful. Well, I have it on my calendar. I don't have tickets yet. Are you selling tickets yet? Yeah, tickets are for sale, uh, on the website. I'm also gonna be doing event, um, in, in next month in August. Lumion Life Expo is out in Mount Shasta, Ruben Langdon from the interview with Extra Dimensional. [01:03:00] Um, him and his partners do that event.

Rob Gauthier: Wendy Kennedy's gonna be there. Lisa Royal Holt's gonna be there. It's gonna be a good one too. And that's, uh, I believe November 7th through 11th. Um, August. Also very similar setup. Yeah, just, uh, three weeks from now. Yeah. Um, they're doing the live stream and the in person. Awesome. Well, Rob, this has just been beautiful.

Kara Goodwin: I would love for you to come back and channel when you're feeling better. Um, so we'll get something else on the books. But thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Thank you for everything that you're doing, that you've been doing for all these years. Uh, it's just been a joy and an honor. Thank you so much.

Rob Gauthier: Oh, Kara, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. Uh, I, I appreciate you. I appreciate the energy and I appreciate getting to know you for the last few years, uh, last multiples of years, and, uh, being able to connect this way, uh, with you and your audience too. It's very amazing. So thank you for having me out, and I look forward to channeling.

Unfortunately, [01:04:00] I got the facial ies from coming home from Japan. Uh, it, it was rough, but I, I look forward to being able to jump in and channel with you next time. I look forward to it. Thank you. Me too. Thank you.

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