480. Oversoul Awakening, Ascension & Sacred Sound - Drs. JJ & Desiree Hurtak

Drs. Hurtak

 [00:00:00] . Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New heights. I'm your host Kara Goodwin, and I was so very honored to have doctors JJ and Desiree Herta.

On today's episode, their work has been remarkably meaningful in my own life. I share in the interview about an astral experience I had a couple of nights ago that's centered around my connection with them. I've been deeply moved by their music and books, and I highly encourage you to check out their work@keysofenoch.org.

Dr. JJ Ock is the founder of the Academy for Future Science, a global NGO, advancing Consciousness and Sustainability. A scholar with two PhDs and author of the Keys of Enoch, he's worked with NASA, contributed to major archeological discoveries such as the Tomb of Osiris.

And is a pioneer in [00:01:00] remote sensing space law and spiritual science. His global work spans science, spirituality, media, and the arts.

And Dr. Desiree Ek is a futurist, social scientist and co-founder of the Academy for Future Science. She works globally with indigenous communities, interfaith groups and environmental causes. Co-author of Over Self Awakening. She's helped uncover key archeological sites and produced award-winning media.

Exploring the fusion of science, consciousness, and human potential. before we dive into this episode, I want to invite you to explore the beautiful array of resources awaiting you@karagoodwin.com.

From my book, your Authentic Awakening to Powerful Free Meditations, my Learn to Meditate course, and even personalized guided meditations crafted just for you. There's something there to support you no matter where you are on your spiritual path. You can also sign up for my upcoming [00:02:00] summits and workshops to connect with like-hearted souls and expand your consciousness in real time.

And now enjoy this episode.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Dr. JJ and Dr. Desiree are pleased to be with you and your audience. Well, I'm so excited to have you both here. I'm really honored and I've been looking forward to this. I so appreciate you both being here. I appreciate the flexibility that you've already shown, um, in our interactions.

Kara Goodwin: Let's start by you sharing how your spiritual journey began. You have such a unique story about how all of this has come. You have decades of experience. Um, how did, how did you come to study consciousness in the over self and the metaphysical realms? Well, thank you for inviting us on your program. Uh, I was a young scholar interested in Egypt, and, uh, I made an opportunity work where I could study Coptic [00:03:00] documents back in the 19, uh, sixties.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Uh, that's a long time ago. I was impressed with the sounds that the Egyptians used in their liturgy, and I figured there was probably some musical connection with the pyramids of Egypt that wasn't understood properly. Later I received my education with MEChA Ilia, the great scholar of Sanskrit text at the University of Chicago, and then at the University of California, where I officially wrote my dissertation on, uh, the language of secrecy, which illustrates certain sound techniques.

Anyway, moving quickly into the 1970s as a young, uh, faculty member at the Disney Corporation called Kell Arts, California Institute of the Arts, I had an exceptional experience because my students were rather interested in why there are avatars and is there music, is there connection with higher intelligence?

And so I began to. [00:04:00] Began to experiment with the various energy mantras, not only from India and Egypt, but also the biblical mantras of the Psalms and the New Testament. And I was able to bring together a very unique synthesis. And I opened a morphogenic field of consciousness where I suddenly went into another dimension.

And that was the beginning of a journey, which led to, to the Book of Knowledge Keys of Enoch, which of course, as you know, has been in more than 30 languages. Essentially, the keys of Enoch tell us we are in a schoolhouse called Mother Earth. It's, uh, a schoolhouse of training using sacred art, sacred music, sacred knowledge.

Connect with the human heart that allows us to connect with cosmic intelligence, right? But today we were gonna talk about a book we did off of, in other words, connected with the keys of Enoch. But people say, oh, what's the basis of it? You know, what's the [00:05:00] information in a nutshell? So we came together and put out this book called Over Self Awakening, which we felt is great for your, uh, work with, uh, soul elevation in that sense.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And so what it does is it's 72 chapters and they're all really short to awaken the soul. So it starts with the very first steps towards initiation. So there's always a beginning. And 72 of course, is a sacred number. You double that. You get 144 because in Dr. Her Tax's experience, he actually, it's not extra terrestrial and it's also not channeling.

And we like to emphasize that I. At the very beginning because the idea behind it was he actually in a pillar of light, saw the being called Enoch, who appeared to him, asked him if he was ready, and then when he said he was, and that's different from any kind of et abductions that just take you. Then he actually went into these different realms.

First with his physical body, later with his [00:06:00] spiritual body, where he connected with what people call Metatron. The very first was the musical linguistics that activated morphogenic field, which my conscience is passed into. I was then bi located, uh, by a bean of light into a higher dimension, and still that was not sufficient to go even to a higher level.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: My spiritual body was then taken from my higher body that was in some other dimension, and I had the opportunity to hear these beautiful sounds. At that time, this was now before we used computers, everything and the keys. Was, uh, basically without computer processing. But in Silicon Valley, we had the opportunity with Desiree's background in art and music.

The opportunity to illustrate this more definitively in this book called Over Self Awakening. So as you can see, as the subtitle is a guide. For the schoolhouse of the soul. And we [00:07:00] did do this together because a lot of people were asking us some basic questions anyway. So Kara, what do you feel? I know you haven't really seen it yet, so Yeah.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Book. Well, yes, exactly, because I have been really devouring the seventh book of the Keys of Enoch, and the pictures have just been beautiful and they've been so, uh, it's, it's been, been very synchronistic as I've been reading it. Um, I'm curious, the sound, the music keeps coming up and then we're talking about layers of the soul.

Kara Goodwin: So we're talk, I've heard you say the over self. I've heard you say your spiritual self, the physical body. How do those, can you talk a little bit about those layers and, and is there a relation to octaves? With the music. With music. Well, in a certain sense, and I think you see this in near death experiences as well, that basically when people go into the near death experience, they kind of go into this [00:08:00] like higher state of consciousness.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And then there's, uh, being that usually says, well, you know, you haven't finished what you're doing, go back. But the real question is, are they going back only to here and they leave where they are, or is there still that connection to the higher realm? So this is kind of what we're talking about in terms of over self awakening.

This is one of our first pictures that I'll show you. So we actually see ourselves as down here in the small presence, but really we are part of a greater presence. And not that the female face is closed, the mouth is closed because this illustrates the inner mothering nature of the divine self. Uh, it.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Uh, scholars that we work with, including Morton Nik, the father of electronic music, Robbie Shankar, the great sitar specialist from India, even Carlos Ana, the great, um, maestro of, [00:09:00] of contemporary music have used our techniques of realizing it is the right hemisphere of the female with Ian that has to be awakened.

Until that time, our mouth is closed as if a, a cloth was placed over our inner spiritual nature, which is basically feminine. And if you go back to ancient scripture, whether it's the je uh, the break or the early proto Christian in the Coptic, in the Greek, or even in the Sanskrit tradition, there is an emphasis on ascension processes.

In fact, Psalm. One 20 to 1 34 are the Psalms of Ascent, suggesting that the ancient writers knew that one had to be in marriage of the bride. One had to open up the resources of the. Creative, the multidimensional side of the brain, which is the female, right? But getting back to sound, I mean, we clearly are vibrating at a certain frequency here, a third and fourth dimension.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Our good friend Elizabeth Satori, who recently passed [00:10:00] away, said it's like a musical keyboard. We're here, you know, the lower notes, so to speak, and then you go up into the higher frequencies, the higher notes, and that's really still part of ourselves. So we really do feel that we're not into the incarnation thing, like we're here now, then we wait seven years or we pop into another body.

There's much more behind us. There's much more of who we are that also is connected to these higher realms. And we call it like an echo body. It's just an ancient term that, uh, and also a term that was used now recently in science. The idea is that we can be here now, but we can also be like a thousand years in the past 'cause time doesn't have that relevance and we can be on another planet.

So there's all different aspects of ourselves and that's why like when you call upon, let's say everyone wants to call upon Archangel Michael for protection, and I think that's a great idea in the face of everything happening on this planet right [00:11:00] now. But what does Michael do? Okay, you take Michael, he's up there, right?

Maybe even on a horse with a sword, whatever you visualize him. But if you call upon him and people start thinking, oh my gosh, you know, I don't wanna bother Michael. He has like the whole world to deal with. You know? That's not how it works. Basically, he himself has like the hands of Qua Yin. You know, a thousand, 10,000, 10 million, whatever possibilities of expressing himself or emanating himself, and that's a good term, emanating to anyone who calls upon him.

So it's not like you're never bothering Michael, okay? You just wanna get that across to your audience, right? You're never bothering Michael. He, he actually wants to know he can protect you and then he'll do it. So it's just that kind of idea. So there is a science of sound. There is a level of consciousness that can be achieved behind these archetypal symbols, and that's what is said if you read between the text.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: The Bible within the Bible is a [00:12:00] musical statement of a higher level of utilizing the body, which is a musical instrument to tune into the chakras or the energy fields, and thus activates both sides of the brain. Left and right, the left being the analytical side, the right being the musical, metaphysical, feminine.

And in so doing, you activate what is called the over self of the higher self, the putting on the mind of Christ to use New Testament terminology or the understanding of the higher zohar, the body of illumination, or what the avatar speak of in the Sanskrit text. The understanding of the cosmic tri chia, the threefold nature is an essence, a synthesis of vibration.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: But we would say that over self is always there, like the soul, you know, is always there. But ultimately we have cut ourselves off from that higher reality. That's why the first step in our book is really towards initiation. [00:13:00] Initiation, to understand that we are connected to higher, a higher presence of who we are.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: And our book works with pictures as seen. Now behind you on the wall there. Sacred geometry in your picture. Sacred geometry is very important in illustrating how the mind comes together on different chocolate levels and attitude. That is the language of color attitude, that is the language of sound.

Added to that is the vibration that we evoke. As we seriously begin to realize we have a language of light that connects the consciousness of the human with the higher cosmic intelligence of the universe. That divine God spark or divine God code is a musical language. We're just beginning to understand.

Now, let's go back because we were able years ago to work with scientists at Stanford Research Institute and we put this book together called Mind Dynamics in Space and Time with Elizabeth Rauscher, the most, uh, [00:14:00] gifted female mathematician in the United States, who wrote more than 400 scientific papers.

In the SRI studies in the 1970s and eighties, scientists began to realize through remote viewing, remote sensing, remote communication, there was a higher level of consciousness that could not be explained in scientific terms. But since that time we've beginning, we have begun to understand, I should say, the inner dynamics of mind and spirit through vibration and through consciousness.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So I know you, you work a bit with consciousness too, 'cause that's all connected with soul, right? Right. And I'm curious, I oh, I have so many questions. Who am I kidding? But, um, one question that keeps coming to mind is when we talk about the over self, would this, so you mentioned that this takes into account parallel lives that we might be living or, or past lives or however we might think of it.

Kara Goodwin: So there are many souls that make up the over self, or would [00:15:00] those all be one self. Actually they're all oneself. Yes, correct. Okay. The over the idea of your over self projects into different places where it can have soul elevation or soul growth would be another term for that. And so, or helping the planet, right?

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: I mean, you know, here you are up there and you see the planet down here and you go, oh, this planet needs some help. What can I do? And you know, or other people say, you know, when, when you're in the higher realms, and this comes also from near death experiences, if people are into that, you know, you can experience and grow and do more in the physical body, then you can in the spiritual body.

But the spiritual body does do things because it projects and allows you to do what you need to do wherever you need to do it for your own growth and for the assistance of others. And this is why so many great musicians, Hayden, handle Bach, Mozart, Mendelssohn. Igor Stravinsky from [00:16:00] Russia and beyond all have such unique synthesis of music and spiritual vision in their great oratorios, in their great symphonies, in their great dramas, showing humanity that we have to understand what we've been missing, which is the musical vibratory side of the over self.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: When we can awaken this, all of us can be instrumentalists in the divine course of the universe. All of us can be cosmic creators. All of us can use greater energy and greater creativity in U and unique ways, right? So we didn't feel we evolved here. And then because we got to be who we are, you know, we acquired a soul or developed our soul, you know, and we're, it's always developing.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: I'm not saying souls don't evolve. That's exactly what happens. But it didn't come from like these little animalistic things coming up. It came from who we are. And this is actually biblically based as well, because it said, you know, before the fall. [00:17:00] Adam and Eve existed, and then because of the fall they took on garments of skin.

And that's kind of what we feel. Even though, you know, we are here now in garments of skin, we still have, and that's one of the things that Dr. Tach saw in his experience. We still have that connection to our higher reality. So we're here because, uh, the reality we, uh, put ourselves into for positive reasons or for negative reasons.

One of the chapters, again, in the Over Self Awakening book, talks about the metamorphosis. So it seems like our ourselves graduating into this understanding of who we truly are, like a butterfly going from, don't put it in biblical language, the changing of garments. Yeah. Go the rainbow body going from the caterpillar to the butterfly.

And that begins to heal also the dualism, because everything on this planet is dualistic. You can have positive things, you can negative. We were part of a larger book called Our Moment of Choice, where every moment becomes a moment of [00:18:00] choice. I mean, that's what this planet is all about. But again, we don't see it as a limitation.

We see it as a soul evolutionary path, and that's what's really exciting about being here. And, uh, we are guided. I mean, we, this is the moment of graduation. We're being graduated into the fifth dimension. What's the fifth dimensions? The ability to work with collective consciousness, the ability to work with those who have graduated beyond physical evolution as ultra terrestrial beans.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: When I was taking into the higher dimensions, I saw beans, what I call whole light beans that were completely in bodies of light that could communicate, uh, through higher sound vibrations that had auras as depicted in ancient Buddhist and Christian art. It suddenly, uh, made me realize that the ancients were correct.

In their artistic forms, but we lost the methodology of being able to personally involve ourselves. As musical [00:19:00] transformers. So we're be given the opportunity, and this is why we're working with Carlos Sinan of the late Ellis Cold Train and other musicians worldwide, because they know we have to raise consciousness through positive vibrations.

Otherwise negative vibrations prevail, or I would say through podcasts, like what you're doing. I mean, you have to get that message out there. I think especially for young people, what I find with young people is they're having these experiences, but they have no wisdom behind it. Like, how did I get to do a wedding on another planet?

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Or you know, who am I? Why am I there? You know? Here I am. Uh, so it's, and then they start looking at books and hopefully they'll look at all the, you know, or listening to podcasts. Mostly probably listening to podcasts nowadays. Yeah. But you know, that's exactly where people are at. I'm sure you agree. Yes, absolutely.

Kara Goodwin: And there is this mass awakening, which is very exciting and can be very confusing. You mentioned that, you know, everybody has this over soul and it's not something that we are kind of developing, but rather something we come in with. [00:20:00] Do you find that it's a process of connecting? Is it, is it by default that humans do already have this over self connection?

Or is it something, maybe it's both. It's something that we're awakening, that we choose to awaken, that we choose to embody more and more. What's your case? Well, there's, there's no doubt that when we come here, we get lost. You know, our, everything goes away. We don't remember who we are. We are after the, usually after the age of seven.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: The logical side of our parents in society says the, the paranormal doesn't exist. But to the contrary, we have found just the opposite is true for those who are super sensitive as artists, as poets. As, uh, mystical scholars, they realize, wait a minute, there is a connection. We are hardwired to connect with the cosmic mind of the universe.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So one of our chapters actually in this book is called Acknowledging our Spiritual Essence. So that's like the first thing. We have to acknowledge that there is more and that's so important for these young kids now [00:21:00] that have no, it never have been raised in any concept beyond this planetary system. You know, please know there is so much more, you've experienced it here, I know, in terms of your own consciousness experiences, but it's acknowledging our spiritual essence and acknowledging our physical body is not the end of who we are.

And, uh, that's why it's so important to realize that we're here for a reason. I say there's 8 billion people on this planet because this planet's gonna go through some significant changes as well as what we sometimes talk about. First contact, even with other species, cosmic cultures that exists in the universe.

And one thing we have in common is vibrations. Cosmic vibrations can be gravitational waves. They can be bioenergetic waveforms. We're scientists, we're also musicologists. We've worked with the best scientists and musicians in the world. The upper 1%, and this is why we have a plethora of books, one of which, which was number one on [00:22:00] Amazon just a couple years ago, was called Sound.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: This goes into all of the work we did in Egypt, where we used, uh, uh, under the permission of the Department of Antiquities, uh, musical sounds. Some of them simply produced by the human voice, my voice, which allowed, uh, acoustical vibrations of such intensity. As you see here in the Grand Gallery of the great pyramid, that golden wave forms were generated and moved up and down the.

Interior of the great pyramid is standing coer waves. So you know what produces this type of energy? Well, the sacred geometries of the pyramids allow these energy forms to collect and suddenly burst into energy explosions, right? So we recently went to a Tibetan, uh, center nearby where we live here, and, uh, basically the, the monks were vibrating.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And you could just feel that throughout your body, but it really does more, [00:23:00] it even opens the heavens. And, you know, uh, I know you have one of our CDs, we have done many meditations. The the one you have you mentioned is really the sacred c ciphers of the Divine Mother. And we went through the divine mother names throughout, uh, cultures of the world.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: We went around the world to get samples and show it's the feminine ation more than the masculine that opens the heart without opening the heart. We just have intellectual music. The heart, mind, and soul go together. This is the key understanding of the soul. The nefa is called an ancient Hebrew. The soul becomes now the, the higher soul, the ach with vibration, and that becomes still higher, the Nima, the soul, spirit, and unity.

So it's this higher connection of people, of all backgrounds, all traditions, all religious philosophies. Understand is the common ingredient that we share a language, a musical. And vi vibratory experience. So I think you have to see us as radiating energy. [00:24:00] And if you're depressed, if you're negative, you're radiating, you know, almost like this dark energy.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: But if you can sing, if you can vibrate on higher dimensions, then you're radiating a positive energy. And when we start realizing that we are not alone in the universe, then you realize that those energies are going out. So they're going out to our over cell body, but it's not exclusively that. It's going out to other people's over cell bodies, going out to cosmic dimensions.

It's going out to extraterrestrials and what we call extra celestials, which are beings without physical bodies that are also here to help and guide us. I mentioned calling upon Michael, that's what we would call an ultra terrestrial. And when you put that vibration out, you're actually calling in that energy that can protect you and can watch over you.

So these are all, you know who we are. The fact is the physical body is not the be all and end all. It's not the end to who we are. The soul itself, and I, this is of [00:25:00] course your major topic. The soul itself is, you know, does visit come in as long as we're alive. Part of that soul, we would say is in the physical body.

Part of it is in other reality. So when the, when you leave your physical body, it goes back to kind of its essence or its source of emanation. We would say that. But it's very important, I wanna emphasize to be here now because this planet, it's so important to be here to do what we can to help to make the changes that need to be made in a positive way.

And people who think, oh, well I just don't like it anymore. I'm gonna get off of here. That's a problem because you will end up coming back in another situation you probably don't wanna be in. And I just wanna make that emphasis. So besides what Dery is saying, you need to visualize. You need to visualize because this is not an easy situation at first because ideas come and go very quickly.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: This is why we have put together the books [00:26:00] that have these pictures called cosmogram. So this is part of our over self awakening book. We take it to stage two is when we recognize that beyond the cloud, it covers our nature. We have within us what is called by biophysicist and psychologists, the avatar potential, or which is really our consciousness body.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: It's a connection between our physical being, which you can hardly see there. I'll bring it close for a second. And our consciousness body to our. So this is what we're trying to do. We're trying to connect who we are here with, who we really are here. And that's the consciousness body there has. Is that the tree of life that you've got there depicted?

Well, actually it's more the chakras, it, the tree, uh, basically the consciousness body is just a blue body with stars because it's kind of, uh, etheric energy connections At the bottom, there are the seven chakras or energy fields that have to be collected and used to open up the cosmic potential. We do, uh, that is the initiation, I'll, [00:27:00] I'll put it higher up.

We do agree with the fact that, uh, there is a, uh, a tree of life and we do talk about it. Mm-hmm. But the circles that you see around are actually more of a matrix. Oh, okay. And I like the concept of matrix, some call them matrix that you see in sacred areas or after sacred music is used. Then you see the face mask has been removed from the female nature within ourselves.

Well, the eyes, when the eyes are, the eyes are opened and later the face mask gets removed. Yeah. And the jewel of the heart begins to vibrate. Mm-hmm. And this is preparing for the day of graduation. But before we get there, we have to realize that the heavens open first for us. So you don't need to leave this planet to connect.

That's the, the whole thing that we're also trying to say. You are. Here now. And you can be consciously in other states of higher realms, uh, simultaneously you can get that information. So you know, things that are gonna happen in the future. Uh, this is so important. We do remote viewing, but remote viewing is not based just on time.[00:28:00] 

It also can connect to future events so people are aware what's going to happen in the future. 'cause some of that is there. I won't say you could tell 20 years from now because there still is free will, but you can usually, I've told six months, uh, and even nine months from now what will happen, uh, in my environment and it's come true.

Wow. So you, you've probably done what, what are some of your experiences? Well, you know, I, I do wanna share what I was telling you before we started recording because you've mentioned about the protection and you've mentioned, um, just about the, the consciousness and our awareness, how we are here. In the physical, but where other places too.

Kara Goodwin: And you know, we've been in this within the window of the past, like 72 hours of our recording. So my connection with you directly, um, I was, a couple of nights ago I was watching some interviews of you both, and my third eye was going crazy. Um, it was just vibrating. I mean, it was like so tangibly [00:29:00] vibrating and I was enjoying that, um, and noticing it.

And I went to bed that night and, um, in the middle of the night I had a, an astral experience. It came through as a dream. Um, but as I mentioned to you, it was, it was really more of a nightmare. It was very frightening and I can't remember the details of it. There was some artifact or something, there was something that I was sure I would remember.

Don't forget this part. And of course I didn't write it down and I forgot, but, um, I was under attack in kind of a subtle way. It wasn't like somebody was coming at me with a weapon or anything, but I, there was an energetic attack and right before I woke up, um, I was with you two and your arms got very big and long, particularly long.

But they, they very quickly came and shielded me. And, um, but they were, they were more long than wide, but somehow they covered. Of me. And, and then I woke up and I was [00:30:00] in this fear state because I still felt that there was a presence. I was so relieved to be awake. But, um, but I still felt a presence and I was still in fear, and I could feel my energy, how, uh, low my energy was in that fear.

And I was physically choosing moment to moment to raise my energy raise or, you know, get, you just release this fear. And I knew I couldn't. Hold that fear and raise my energy. So I was having to make this choice, like, okay, I know that I'm afraid, but I, I'm not, you know, I'm, I am love, I am, you know? Um, and the reason that I'm so convinced that this was an astral experience and not just a dream is because with my physical eyes open, the room was pulsing with light at regular interval intervals.

Um, and it was my physical eyes, but it was, you know, not something that if somebody else had been there with me, they would, I know that they wouldn't have seen this. This has happened other times to me as well, but, um, so that protective element, [00:31:00] the connection with you two, us being in this window of time where we are connecting in this reality, all of those things, um, to me are poignant.

And I still have a lot of unanswered questions about that experience for personally within me, but it is, I. It has my attention. And, uh, was there something that you wanted to say? No, I was gonna say, I think a lot of people are going through the same thing. I think we were saying, 'cause the planet is making people fearful.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Mm-hmm. And the, the, that's the last thing you should do. You should, we were just in Bosnia in Europe, praying for peace in the Middle East. And Desiree earlier has used the expression Michael, or in the ancient biblical pres. Sematic mlu is the term that's used for Michael. The protective angel is interesting.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: You going back thousands of years to all of the major cultures of the Middle East, knew there were angels, we will call them alter terrestrial being and what the use of certain mantras, the mind could be schooled, the body could be protected in [00:32:00] these events that take place. And so we're coming into a scientific realization, a new psychology, a new consciousness cosmology.

Spiritual mantras, musical expressions of joy, purpose, and protection do work if they're used properly. So I'd like to tone with your permission the name of Michael, as it was originally used according to scholars like David Noll Friedman from the University of Chicago, dealing with ancient manuscripts that were found in Syria of the protected nature.

We will call of our spiritual guides, those who will work with us in dreams, in higher states of consciousness and in scientific realities we have yet to fully appreciate. Well, let me just say before he does that, that the fear base is what blocks people from moving forward. So you actually, what you experience is exactly what everyone should experience in the sense that going from.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: No longer being in fear, [00:33:00] but knowing to elevate, to move forward, to be spiritual, to connect. And once you do that, then you're able to do, be more functional in the on the planet. If you're in fear, then everything is, you know, negative and you're not, that's where your whole mind and consciousness is absorbed into that.

So it's actually a really great experience to see the duality that we live in, but how not to be in the negative side of that duality, but the positive side, which is the light. And you, you did the exer. It's like an exercise. You did like an exercise. Yeah. And it does. So with your permission. Yes, please, please.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: I'll say you three times or chant it three times. The word is Michael or mic.

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Dr. JJ Hurtak: sounds of them by themselves with visualization, with divine intention, with musical training, provide the body nourishment in soul food that's necessary, and thus we understand. For example, Psalm 1 39 of King David in the old testimonies riots, where shall I go from your spirit? If I ascend to the heavens, you'll be there.

If I take my place of residence in the lower dimensions of earth, you'll be there. Also, it's a recognition that there is an ascension process of the higher mind we call the over self, the collective consciousness field. This is what we're exploring now with new books, new studies that we've done at Stanford Research Institute, our Academy for Future Science, and working with, uh, spiritual leaders of the indigenous community in North and South America in Africa, realizing that we're in a, [00:35:00] a point of the gather, quote unquote, the gathering of the tribes, where people of all backgrounds to realize something's wrong with the politics of the earth.

Something's wrong with the old three-dimensional science that does not have love and joy, and that we need to shift to our another. Dimensional understanding. You 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: know, people say to us all the time, well, what do you think is gonna happen on the planet? You know, are we gonna like end it all? Or whatever we say, it's up to all of us.

I mean, we actually have input into the consciousness field and if we wanna be in fear and anger and all that stuff, then the field's gonna go into, you know, fear and anger and probably destruction. If we can shift that feel, and that's part of it, to connecting with who we really are, we can actually.

Change the consciousness to one of peace, love, and joy. And in that book, uh, mind dynamics that we showed you earlier in the 1970s, we worked with a famous parapsychologists named Dr. Andrea Phar. [00:36:00] He brought Uri Geller to this country, and we were working with him. He was in the Middle East. We were at his place in Assan, New York at the time, in the seventies, doing prayers for peace.

This is during the Kissinger shuttle diplomacy. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: That didn't work 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Well, no, it did. In the long run. There was no war. So, I mean, the thing is that one of the things we actually do with our energies is to put out prayers for peace. And in addition to that, we've done it for fires. You know, we were in a certain town and there were fires nearby.

People were ready, said go. And the the town was on set, ready to go. And we collectively never individually, we like to get as many people as we can, you know, literally brought rain to put up the fires. So these are things that you can physically, spiritually do. We are. Em, series of light right on the planet.

And if we get into that fear base, we're not gonna be able to use our energies in the way we need to. And 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: going back though to, to your earlier concept of kissing jurors, [00:37:00] diplomacy didn't work. That's why we were called into action, okay? And we were called into action by members would work in the cabinet of, of the late Otter, excuse me, president Kennedy.

So we are working with the top of the top. And the reason why is because we were under, we were given this gift of spiritual vibration and spiritual vision to make an intercession work that did not work politically, and it did work spiritually and para physically. So that's the bottom line. We are at a point now of going beyond what I'll call the, the same old game of the, the left side of the brain, the male side of the brain that wants to make compromises and make situations work that do not work.

We need people to use the other side of the brain with left side of the brain, the right side, the female nature, the compassionate nature in music and sound. This is important. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And when we do, then we will come up with another chapter. This is actually chapter 22, and again, there's 72 chapters [00:38:00] and this is called, uh, the Mind Moves into Divine Union.

I'm gonna put it a little bit further up. I hope it's still coming in sharp. So we start using sacred names. We start energizing our chakras, and we start really connecting more and more with our higher self. You 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: see a vibratory feel of sacred language at the bottom, and then on the left hand, the right hand, you see the master traditions of the the west and the east coming together.

In other words, the higher synthesis. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Yes. And so we start getting insights. We can get insights from our over self, but a lot of people also get insights from their spiritual guides, and that's what, it's the 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: higher feminine nature, however, that pulls them together. Why? Because there's not that competition between two male minds working.

No. There's the, the marriage. Then we move on. And this of course, is illustrated in every chapter in great detail. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And one of the gifts is to energize the gifts of the Holy Spirit. So people really can do prophecy. So they really can understand, you know, the angelic realms. And I [00:39:00] think this is happening, we say in, Dr.

Ek said this in 1973 in the Keys of Enoch, that some people are gonna be on this upward spiral, literally transforming themselves into, you know, light consciousness. Others, sadly will go into a darkness, into a downward spiral. And we're trying to show people how to not do that, how to awaken to their true higher potential.

Everyone has the potential to know, to understand, to come into that greater awareness. Now think about it, if you have a higher self and that higher self is in another realm, it has a greater knowledge, a greater wisdom, and it can prepare you. I'm sure. Have you ever had Kara? I know many people have like, uh, like.

Points of like protection, like, don't go down that road, you're gonna have an accident or, or get outta the car now. Or, you know, do whatever needs to be done. People are using it. Yeah. For even, uh, during COVID, what pumped a pump? Your handle with, you know, there's, but anyway, in the gas? Yeah. [00:40:00] 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. I have had that one, one example that comes to mind is when my daughter was a newborn and I was just getting into my van.

I was in an urban area and I needed to feed her and I needed to get her out of the car seat. And my bag was kind of right there, um, at the door. I was kind of between me and my bag. And as I grabbed her out of the seat and turned around, there was somebody. Who immediately turned was very close to me, had just walked right up to me.

And then as soon as I turned around, just walked right off, like back up on the sidewalk. It was very unusual at the time. And I was like, why did he come off of the sidewalk so close to my car and then get back on the sidewalk? And as the pieces kind of came together, I was like, oh, he was going for something.

And at just the right moment, you know, everything just kind of came together. But it felt like time was very, very slow and, and dilated as that happened. And it be, it [00:41:00] was a non-issue, but it was so bizarre that it was like, wow, something just happened and all the pieces just came together exactly when they needed to, for him to make a new decision on a dime.

And, uh, yeah, I'll never know what, what. For what reason? He was so close. But yeah, it was very strange. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Yeah. People mostly see it in car situations or whatever, because Yeah. But yeah, no, and really we, we have that divine protection and uh, there are beings watching over us at all times. We gotta listen. I mean, I think that's the main thing.

I know we have some friends recently, Anna, you know, you gotta listen to that higher self. In that case, you were just at the right place at the right time doing the right thing, and you knew, you know, that was your process. But sometimes people get these insights and then they ignore it, right? And then they get hit heard or whatever.

And, you know, it's so important to realize that it's not just you, it there, there's a whole team, if I can put it that way, around you [00:42:00] and your higher self that's trying to give you insights, that's trying to help you, that's trying to direct you, that's trying to explain things to you, right? But even social, even social things, like, you know, you may see someone.

And you don't really know who he is, but you get this weird feeling, you know, and this 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: is why our pictures, uh, are so unique, is because they orientate your eye to think and see in technicolor. Mm. And when you can do that, that's shown the picture of the light burst over the head of the mind. That's then takes the next stage, which is the brilliant light, the outpouring, what I call the outshining of light.

That happens when we have spiritual self-realization. So he's 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: just saying that higher self, when we connect, starts opening and you start seeing not only the eyes open, but the veil's gone. The higher consciousness is there, and we start seeing now the body becomes 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: holistically connected with the light.

And you see now the three sacred birds, the dove for ascension, the uh, phoenix bird for rebirth, the concept of the eagle for [00:43:00] contact with the divine hierarchies, all these sacred symbols. And then as you see on, on one side, I'm pointed to the ancient temples. Uh, TZA and Poche in Mexico, areas of initiation come into view.

So historic anthropology, archeology, culture, history reinforces the fact that these are areas that we can still go to in our prayers, and this is why we went to. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: But you also 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: aia in, in Bosnia to Pray. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: You also see us as being like activated with a pyramid of capstone over our heads. We're no longer, you know, just with our feet on the ground, even though that's a positive thing.

But we start evolving into higher beings of energy. So 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: the synthesis of sacred geometry, thinking in color, using sacred rums or linguistic concepts as a new language. And then finally, the higher music, the tonality that allows all of the chakras, all of the connections that we need with other people like ourselves.

And [00:44:00] therefore, small groups of people can do miracles together if they work together, as we have demonstrated in some of our books and experiments. What does this mean? It means that we're being prepared for ascension. It means we are beginning to prepare our body, mind, and spirit to work together as a triad.

We're beginning to understand the fuller meaning behind all of these ancient archetypal pictures is something that is not ancient, but is eternal because that is the way the cosmic intelligence works through mental pictures. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So I like the term ascension, but I also like the term reconnection. In fact, Eric Pearl, who did the reconnection, uh, had read our book.

He's an Enoch and he understood that. So he, he was saying that to do the healing that he was processing. He still is, of course, if you look at the reconnection, so you have your higher body, which is this perfect body, all the cells of your body. Everything is just perfect. And then you come down here and after 30, 40, 50 years, your cells start getting corrupted after five Gs and everything else that's going on.[00:45:00] 

So, you know, his work was to reconnect the physical body to that, uh, higher self body that was perfectly blueprinted, perfectly energized. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Now, historically, people were taught in the West not to think of themselves as being worthy of this higher teaching of the light body. But if you read scripture correctly, and I do 'cause I'm a specialist in ancient languages and in uh, biblical archeology, it's clear that one of the central symbols in Egypt was the coat of many colors.

Jacob gave Joseph before it went into Egypt, which is the understanding of his light body of multiple levels and the New Testament putting on the mind of Christ in the concept of the rainbow vision. The coming of the divine hierarchy also illustrates the color spectrum. That we can go into that gives us a greater compassion, a greater understanding of the universal truths that are behind these ancient symbols, which again, [00:46:00] become modernized and transformed into our daily experience of joy and purpose.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Yeah. Nonetheless, continuing on with, and again, there's 72 chapters. This is 49. So one of the things we take people through is all the different sacred places on the planet. We've done this, in fact, we're well known for our work in both Mexico and Egypt. We were one of the discoverers of what's called the Osirus shaft, the Osirus two, but every one of these sacred places is a sacred area and the planet like we have.

Acupuncture points in our physical body. Dr. Jack was shown in the keys of Enoch that the planet has its own acupuncture points, or it will say grid points, vortex points that are being energized at this time to prepare it really to connect with its own higher presence. So it's not just us. There's actually the planetary system, mother Earth Gaia is connecting with a higher vibratory system as well.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: To say is simply on the cover of our book. We have the [00:47:00] return of the dove, the sign of the Holy Spirit, or the spiritual communication with cosmic language on seven levels, the seven seals of seven chakras as radiations of light, which we collect with our hands. In other words, we're able to mobilize and to actually participate with the gathering of the sparks and the application of these sparks as we modulate our body, mind, and spirit to work in unity with others of the light.

So this is why our work is so important because it's illustrated where people can meditate. Like the Tibetan monks or like the early Christian monks in mystics, or even those down through the centuries, have used the Greek icons, sacred pictures, to remind the mine that evolution doesn't stop when Mother Earth, the mind and the humanity of Mother Earth is connected with the humanity of the cosmic creation story.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And Dr. Ache Elle, like in addition to Michael, there's also, which is illustrated here and mentioned in the Keys SEL deck. And I know many people have heard [00:48:00] about SEL deck. He's actually one of the ones who blessed Abraham and the seed to continue on on the planet. He supposedly interesting enough was motherless and fatherless.

This is written in the Bible, although not all traditions except that. So he was here, he was king of Salem, which means peace. And Abraham could shake his hand or get a blessing from him, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: and he received. That is the Abraham received the blessing of the covenant, that ultimately his offspring would inherit the stars.

So we're reaching a point in our space program where earth humanity is taking its baby steps into space. We're beginning to join the cosmic cultures of this. So I wanna pronounce this. I'm saying this name. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Okay. That's what I was saying. Yeah, go ahead. Give 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: me, yeah. Three times the word mal, or mal is a central term for the spiritual initiation process.

[00:49:00] So

again, if you dwell on some of these sacred pronouncements or sacred expressions, your body will be energized in a very profound way. Your whole chemistry will be realigned with avers of joy and purpose and understanding. You'll realize your body is the temple of divine or holy spirit. You'll become holistically connected with your cosmic potential, your spiritual potential, higher psychology, the world culture.

Suddenly we realize we're here as citizens. We're here also as cosmic citizens. We're here to help heal, to open doorways of understanding, to show compassion, and to overcome the mind games of only one side of the brain, only science that's object oriented rather than human orientated theology, which is only for the [00:50:00] few rather than for the many through the Holy Spirit.

So we begin to. Wake up to our cosmic potential. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And we know many people have gone to some of the sacred areas, like the Great Pyramid, and they feel that they're trying to get their own initiation. But in actuality, when you do certain prayers at these places, you're also reactivating and reconnecting these sacred areas as well.

So, Kara, say a little bit more about some of the work. Have you gone to any place? 

Kara Goodwin: I know you well, I've, I've not been to Egypt yet, but you know, I've been to Sedona many times. That's where I, I've got to meet you both in person. Um, I have been to Tza and there's another, uh, temple site more on the Yucatan, and I like, forget what it's called.

But in, uh, I went there a couple years ago. Um, but I'm, you know, you have some beautiful work available in terms of the musical side where you've got these mantras and they've got this amazing backing, um, musical backing to, [00:51:00] um. How can people use the, the, what you're sharing in terms of, you know, the, the mantras and the sacred words and what you have available for people to listen to.

Is it best for people to use their own voices and to repeat the mantras? Is it, you know, a lot of times I listen to your work in the car, and so I'm not necessarily in a meditative state, but I just want that energy around. I want it to build up around me. And, um, what, how can people use this to reconnect themselves?

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Well, first of all, our main website, you'll probably say it anyway later, is keys of enoch.org. And in addition to a bunch of music, which, some of which is now on Spotify and Apple iTunes, uh, apple iTunes under, uh, keys of Enoch, Spotify under our name Doctors, her Tech, um, in, I believe it's something with that.

Um, basically we also have three [00:52:00] volumes of. Books. One is called The Names of the Divine Father, which 72 names of God mostly connected, uh, from the Hebrew, but also some other traditions. Then 72 names of the mother. And we do everything from PAMA to, uh, we'll say Juan Yin, to also, uh, Egyptian names and other types of names.

And then finally, we just recently came out with the 76 names of two basically. And those are all biblically based from Yeah. And 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: illustrated. That's so important. These names are illustrated. So the mine can overcome the analytical side by seeing the holistic picture of how this fits into the greater story.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So both, I mean, we highly encourage people to listen to our music on their own and chant and sing. A lot of people, of course, when they listen to music, they do chant and sing with it. You study 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: groups you might be interested in, but largely it's self-motivation. One has to choose to be chosen, has to take, or one's inner nature has to take the higher [00:53:00] path.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: We like to, uh, think that people are, you know, we don't wanna get people into ritual, you know, where you say this, you know, this way, this, you know, and then you have to say these words around it. It's really has to come from, your heart has to vibrate because, you know, some of these names are used for protection.

And if you're, you know, not knowing how to use them or why you're using them, it, it becomes a sacred language. That's what we're hoping. And again, with over self awakening, the reason why we did this is in each, uh, chapter, and there's 72 again, that there is a meditation and a visualization just opening up a book.

Like you can see this one has the anes off four, which means the limitless light, and that's a, a Hebrew expression, but it means like there's no limitation. In other words, you know, we're not stuck here. There's, there's no divisions. Technically, we're all part of a higher consciousness field, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: and there's many different types of light, just like there's different types of humanity.

But ultimately we come into the awareness. We have this higher or over [00:54:00] self that has to be awakened. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So before we, we, I would like to do a little bit more in terms of the mantras, but let's just finish a few other aspects to what happens in the end of the book. Um, before we wrap this up. So this is a 65, almost to 72, says, the space time overlap touches all souls.

So you can see that in addition to all the areas being activated, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: the sacreds areas, 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: you become part of this higher activation. So you, you are part of your higher consciousness awakening from, from your work and from your energies that you have done. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: It's the divine mother within us, the divine feminine principle within us that opens us up.

So no matter where we go in the world, we find a resonance that can bring people together in into harmony light. Higher wisdom and higher peace. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: And then finally at the end, actually it is the cosmic DNA wave reborn because we feel that we actually came from a higher code structure. I know, uh, people like Greg Braden have talked [00:55:00] about this, but Dr.

Tak has this in the keys of Enoch, that the name Yohe v Hay, which is on the cover of the book, but also in key 2 0 2 is a divine code structure. So his, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: his new work follows the work that he historically recognizes, began in 1973 with my experience. Of actually hearing the pronunciation of the divine name of the universe, 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: but also to show how the nucleo basis, which Dr.

Jack wrote about actually is coded from this divine code structure, and it's in groups of three, that the nucleo basis then code for all the amino acids in our body. So this is something he talked about. So really what we do and what the Zaina are all about is to turn the tree of life upside down instead of saying, you know, our roots are in the earth and we're going up.

Yes, we honor Gaia mother Earth. There's no doubt we're living upon her. We're not taking very good care of her. That's a different lecture podcast. But ultimately our roots are really in the heavens and the [00:56:00] physical body came from the heavens and is existing now here, and we need to develop who we truly are while we're here.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: So you're speaking now of turning the tree upside down in terms of spiritual metaphor? 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Well, no, I mean, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: reaching up from the Brits of consciousness. Through a higher language of light into our over self, and then even to a much higher level of creation. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: But actually everything is consciousness. And our consciousness we believe, has a higher connection and so does our genes.

Our DNA has a divine code structure, and 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: we've seen this in the miracles that we've been participating in with people of different cultures and backgrounds who began to understand the concept of the global Pentecost. That we all could reach a point of such exuberance and light and music that suddenly we feel an initiation takes place.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Right? And when that takes place, basically we have a final, final one, the 72, which is picture of three beings. It's called the triumph of [00:57:00] the divine image. And these three beings are connected with Jesus, uh, also with Mackiel deck, but also Metatron, the other M that we haven't, we mentioned earlier, but we haven't really focused on.

And um. Basically Dr. Deck was shown that Michael, as we initially mentioned, for protection, selek for anointing, blessing, he was really a priest, uh, who was able to bless and anoint all of us. You know, it didn't just happen three to 4,000 years ago. Selek is still with us. He didn't die. He was motherless and fatherless.

He certainly didn't die anyway. And then also Metatron, who is connected with what we also call El Shada. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: So Desiree is pronouncing this term with the female vibration, which is the restoration of bae. The understanding that we are going into a new phase of contact, and this is very important because we must discern between the extraterrestrial, the extra celestial and the ultra [00:58:00] terrestrial, which means we have to prepare ourselves musically with a better psychology, theologically, with a better understanding of revelatory understanding that we are part of an ongoing process that doesn't stop with Mother Earth.

Scientifically with an understanding. We do have the scientific text that show that even skeptical scientists can change their minds and become aware that mine over matter does work. That there's a whole connection that we have with collective cosmic intelligence. But 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: talk a little bit about Metatron now is the third 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: meron, the angel closest to the throne.

That's a Greek expression. Meron is closest to the throne of the divine resource. In Hebrew is sha die, which means now the uh, God of, of, uh, wisdom and the higher power that's implanted within the humanity that wants to take a higher. Step a higher initiation. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: So when Dr. AK had his initial experience, Enoch [00:59:00] connected with them.

But a lot of people think Enoch and Metatron are the same, but in a sense they're emanations. A lot of beings are kind of emanating connections like their family groupings as well. So, uh, Enoch has connected with Metatron, not the same as Metatron in that sense, but Metatron took him in the higher realms 'cause he had that ability to go even into higher and higher dimensions.

So let's use that expression. We'll change it from Metatron, which is the Greek to El Shadi, which is the Hebrew, and we'll close with this vibration. The sheen also is like for the Kiner, for the Holy Spirit. So it's a powerful, uh, vibration to say Sha Shada in the Hebrew, 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: I'll say again, three times, close your eyes, feel the light coming down, encompassing your body.

Feel the jaw of being raised up, recognizing that there is a divine family that awaits. Our teaching, our self-realization, our heartbeat of compassion.

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Dr. JJ Hurtak: May we be blessed and may we study, enjoy, and may we overcome negativity by thinking of the higher path, taking the higher path and vibrating the higher path for all those who suffer in dualism, in the darkness of the old teaching, let the light of the divine Father. The divine mother, the divine Christ.

Be with us 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: and let us feel our higher self connecting with us. And let us open our eighth chakra, not just the seventh, which is the catheter of the crown, but the a chakra to that higher reality that is with us at all times. Let us acknowledge that greater [01:01:00] power that protects us, guides us, and loves us as well.

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Pray for a peace in the Middle East. Pray for a peace in far east. Pray for a peace in East Europe. Pray for a peace in East Africa 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: and pray. Pray for a peace also within us because the more peace and love and joy we radiate, the more the energies around us also transform. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: And if you so desire, be participating in our library of music.

We've got, uh, close to 70 albums from singers throughout the world. S gifted singers who use these sacred rums, use them to fill your life and experience a new life of joy and inner happiness. Be not dece by those who wants material political peace. Without the true peace of the inner hearts, seek the eternal peace of [01:02:00] divine spirits.

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Thank you, Kara, for having us on your program. I hope, uh, you have many other great guests and enjoy 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: the rest of that series of books that you're connected with. Called. The, 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: actually it's the 400 series. Uh, you have 4 0 7 because the keys of Enoch had 54 keys of Enoch. There was really 64. So the last 400 series is in these individual books.

They're all on our website. The 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: new one now shall be the Covenant. 

Dr. Desiree Hurtak: Yeah, they're all on our website. Keys of enoch.org. So be Thank you all. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. Wow. Thank you so, so much. I'm so grateful for you both to be here. Bless you for all of your work. Thank you very much. 

Dr. JJ Hurtak: Thank all of you listening to the program.

God loves you and so do we. The experience of life is just beginning. A new page of the biological book of life is changing now we are beginning to realize we're ultimately spiritual beings in human form, reclaiming our cosmic heritage. [01:03:00] Thank you. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. Thank you so much.

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