545. Dowsing, Energy Clearing, & Personal Freedom: Transform Spaces, Water, and Your Life - Raymon Grace

Raymon Grace

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm really excited for you to hear this episode with Raymond Grace. Raymond is a remarkable man who's doing amazing work in the world with dowsing and changing negative energies into healthy and harmonious ones.

We cover really fascinating topics in this episode relating to cleaning up energies, dousing affecting the weather, mind, control of the masses, personal empowerment, and much more.

Raymond does a couple of demonstrations in real time to show you just how accessible his methods are, and as amazing as this man is, what he really wants you to understand is that what he can do, you can do too.

Raymond Grace has been promoting dowsing with lectures, classes, books, [00:01:00] newsletters, and films for over 30 years, and in 160 countries, he managed this without a day of college or a degree. And without a suit and tie. He has no titles or letters after his name, he's blunt and down to earth, and his motto is, there's no substitute for freedom.

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Kara Goodwin: Well, welcome Raymond. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. I'm so honored to be here with you today. Thank you so much for coming on Soul Elevation. 

Raymon Grace: Well, I appreciate the invitation, so, uh, we'll make the best of it and hopefully we'll get, provide some, uh, useful information to your listeners out there.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, I have no doubt that we will. Let's start with, uh, you are passionate about helping people blast through their limitations, and I've heard you refer to this as brainwashing themselves. So you help people to brainwash themselves. What turned your attention to this and how did you even realize that we were or are brainwashed in the [00:03:00] first place?

Raymon Grace: Well, we just kind of watched the behavior of people. And, uh, most people do what someone else is expecting of them rather than what they need to do for themselves. And I'm a very independent thinker, very independent person. I like being kind to people, but I'm not politically correct. I don't even try.

And if people don't like what I say, it doesn't make any difference at all to me. I don't apologize. Uh, but the reason I think people are brainwashed is, um, they, okay, I have a saying, go watch this. People buy things they don't need with money. They don't have a prices. You can't afford to impress somebody that don't give a damn.

Pretty simple. 

Kara Goodwin: That's so well said. Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Okay. So, uh, that's, um, I, I don't think most people live [00:04:00] the way they want to live. I think the see. Live the ways that people that expect them to do things. Just for example, uh, most people, if they go to any kind of a formal occasion, will wear a suit and tie, or men will.

I don't own a suit and tie. I'm very proud of that fact. Uh, I where wherever I go, I dress like I am now. Cowboy shirt, blue jeans, and boots. That's it. I don't have any other clothes. I don't want any, I refuse to, to buy anything like that. I never dress up. What you see is what you get. And, uh, it's independent.

It's freedom. Um, so I, I remember as a kid, I was, uh, noticing men wearing, uh, coats and ties going to church or various, uh, [00:05:00] formal edu uh, formal, um, uh, events or semi-formal, let's say social events is a better word for it. And they couldn't wait to get that neck tie open when they got home. So they put it on to appease someone else, not themselves.

I refuse to do that. I don't, I I take a great deal of pride in the fact that I don't own any dress clothes. The day I got outta the Army, I didn't have many clothes. I had, uh, a suit pair, low cut shoes. Um, I think I had two or three white shirts. I gave 'em all to the orphans home and swore I'd never owned anything else.

The rest of my life, I've kept that promise. For how long now? 60 years. Wow. Not like. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Well, how, so how did you get into this? Like how, how did you, uh, shift your mind to see it as, to recognize what was happening with the masses in terms of 

Raymon Grace: Well, it [00:06:00] was, it was so glaringly obvious. I don't know how anybody could miss it.

I mean, that's the only answer I have for you. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. It just, and I agree with you, but I do feel like it's this invisible thing that's just kind of like motivating people, but they don't even realize it. 

Raymon Grace: Well, the, what the people do, and I'm not really faulting the people for this. Everybody has got a right to dress and do what they feel like suits them.

I think they should. I don't ever try to talk somebody outta wiring a suit and tie. It's their best. It's not mine. Uh, I just don't want them trying to convince me to wear one. And, uh, I, okay, right here is. My motto is, and you, this is in my bio, there is no substitute for freedom. So if you have to do what someone else thinks you should do, you don't have freedom.

Kara Goodwin: [00:07:00] Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: So once I got outta the army, which you didn't have freedom there, we told, we were told that that's why we were in the army, but they, we sure didn't have it. People were telling you what to do all the time and you didn't have a choice of what you eat. You had a choice of take it or leave it. Uh, so, uh, I like to live free.

We have choices. That's why I live back in the mountains. Mm-hmm. Uh, I live way, way back in the mountains. There are no other people in sight. Uh, and it's, you can do what you want to do. And it's, uh, it's, well, it's wonderful. 

Kara Goodwin: So it sounds like it came very, like a, like, you, you just realized this, you just kind of, was there one epiphany or you just, it, you just always kind of understood this?

Raymon Grace: Well, I, I just had a different brain ever since I was a little kid. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. 

Raymon Grace: Uh, I was born with it, I guess because as a, I've worked hard all my life. I've never had [00:08:00] an easy job. I was a brick, uh, I was a construct bricklayer. I was a construction foreman on building shopping centers for about 30 years. And so, but the reason I quit was I was making pretty good money, but the world was no better off because I built buildings.

It was just simply a, it was a job and it paid pretty good and there was nothing really wrong with it, but the world was no better off because I built buildings. So I think I need to do something to make a difference. Now, I didn't know what to do. I didn't really have an education. I didn't have a very elaborate vocabulary, but I decided, okay, I'm gonna learn what to do to help make the world a better place.

And, uh, I've tried and I haven't done that bad. A job I might not have done perfect. Probably haven't, but I did as good as I could. But, uh, whenever you, [00:09:00] I have reached people around the world and I do classes. You're locally. I quit traveling across the country, but I travel all over the United States and Canada for a few years, just teaching classes and, you know, uh, we had a, had a pretty good business going.

But now people come to me and they come from literally all over the world. Australia, south America, uh, the Middle East. Uh. Spain, England, uh, they come from everywhere. I've often wondered why, I mean, they spend a lot of money getting here and I always thank 'em for coming, but I'm thinking, well, I've got this information on film.

You could have watched it at home for a lot less money. Yeah. They wanna come to shake hands and have the pictures made with me. I've never figured that out. 

Kara Goodwin: Just I, I can understand that they, uh, respect and then there, I think there is something, being in person with somebody, but [00:10:00] saying that you do have some great content online that's available.

And I took your course on, uh, changing the energy of locations, which was very powerful, very well done. And it's online. I, it just downloaded right away. So, um, as we go through this, I can imagine people are gonna wanna engage with your work, and I, I highly recommend checking out what's, what's out there online, and when you go into the things that you've done to make this world better.

I think that's a great way to talk about the energy, how you work with energy and the dowsing that you do. Um. We, you work with the energy of places of people and you, you change that energy. And it is this, it's a huge service that you're doing for the planet, that you're doing for humanity. And you also teach people how to do this.

[00:11:00] So I'd like to go into, I actually brought my, I have a pendulum here, um mm-hmm. But you teach people how to use a pendulum, and you, I have, I'm familiar with using a pendulum. I've used it for years, but I, it's a different technique. Like you've, you have helped me to get a lot more out of this, um, and I've been using it in the last few days.

So I'd love to just start with you talking about dousing and, and your work and your method and how you got into that. 

Raymon Grace: Okay, let's, let's start out with some real simple statements right here. That, uh, the first principle of my work is that all things are composed of energy. The intelligent human mind, which is people like us can change, uh, that we have the ability to direct energy.

Literally everything is energy and we have the ability to direct where that energy goes. Okay? Uh, another is, I quote Einstein. Uh, energy is [00:12:00] impressed upon matter. Well, thoughts and energies are, uh, I'm having to look at my notes here to make sure I say it right. Uh, thoughts and energy, uh, or no thoughts are energy and your physical body is matter.

So energy is impressed upon. Matter was a statement of Einstein. So who, our bodies are affected by the energy. Around us, wherever we put our bodies. This is why I stay outta bars and churches. The letters is too low. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. 

Raymon Grace: I refuse to go in a bar. I refuse to go in a church. Uh, it whether I'm offending somebody out there, I won't apologize to you.

I'll say, I didn't mean to offend you. Don't, please don't take it that way. I don't mean it that way, but I will not apologize for it. I say what I believe, and if you doubt this, you folks out there listening learn to doubt. You can get you a bullet like this on a chain. It's a 45 70 bullet. Okay? Uh, there's nothing magical about it.

I'll get [00:13:00] into Dowsing in a few minutes, but start checking the energy of the places where you frequent. Now you can, and especially I really direct this, uh, strongly towards parents with kids in school. I do my best to teach people how to clean up schools because we can do it. I've been doing it for years, but there's not enough for me to go around.

So what I'd like to do is to teach, uh, other people how to do it. So when I have a, a class and I have maybe 60 people in the class that come from around the world, how many of you people have kids in school? Okay, I'd like to do you a favor. I will go through, okay, where do your kids go to school? Where do yours and they're from all over the country.

I will then right there in class so they will understand how hopefully. Show them how to clean up the energy in a school. Uh, and it's the most valuable thing I think I can do for [00:14:00] them. Now, I did not, um, send my kid to school till she was 14 years old. She never went to elementary school. But when she went to school, I went there and I wanted to be polite.

I made an arrangement that we could, we could visit. I explained to the principal, uh, she's never been to school before. We'd like to come get acquainted with the teachers wanted to get, get everybody off to a good start. So I told the, uh, the teachers, um, the junior school is low. Don't worry about it. I'll take care of it.

Well, of course they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. They didn't know what I, when I said the energy in your school's low, it was went right over their head. Uh, but what happened? She brought a teacher home with her, I think three years. Uh, later, and I asked the lady, I said, how are things at school?

All things are are wonderful at school. Uh, they're much better than they once were. I said, well, when did it change? She thought a minute. Said, well, about three [00:15:00] years ago, said, that's when April come to school. What did you do? I said, I did exactly what I told the teachers I would do. I cleaned up the energy in the school.

I did not ask for permission. I don't believe in it. I tell 'em, if my kid goes to school here, I have a right to do something about it. I will exercise that right. And it's not a damn thing you can do. I hope you like it. Now, humility is not one of my faults and neither is diplomacy, but, uh, it's just the way you would do business.

But they liked it. Now what else happened was the, uh, um. Superintendent of schools had had a meeting for homeschooled, um, um, children and, uh, attended the meeting. And he invited us all to send our kids to school. And, uh, you know, April said she wanted to go to school. Okay, fine, you can go and be going into high school.

And [00:16:00] they asked the question as we were getting, uh, acquainted and so on, has April had all of her shots? And I says, no ma'am. When do you plan to get 'em? I said, we don't, that question is not open for discussion. Well, it's mandatory. Well, you got too damn many rules and we're not going to abide by 'em. But I tell you what, in order to save face and be nice to everybody, uh, just give us an ex an exemption, .

She said, well, I'll call the superintendent. Maybe we could do that. I said, no, ma'am. You work for him. I don't. Let me call him. I just called and said, look, you invited my kid to come to school. She accepted, and now you're throwing up roadblocks. Now the best thing you can do to save faith still look good, is just give us a religious exemption.

Call us fanatics if you like, we don't care. And you know, that's exactly what happened. Now, this is what really happened. Uh, at graduation, excuse me, five years later, there were 300 kids [00:17:00] that had made some Oh, had done exceptionally well. My kid was one of 'em. They were, so they had 300 people out there, and the PI saw the superintendent on the other side of the crowd.

He saw me. He waited through 300 people to come to shake hands. Why? Because we didn't make enemies. We made friends. We didn't start a fight. We just said, this is the way we're going to do it. So most people just don't have the courage to stand up for themselves and for their families. I don't have a problem with it, and that's why we win.

Kara Goodwin: I love that. I, I love it's back. 

Raymon Grace: Losing is not an option. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, and it, to me it's this fullness of the embodiment of who you are. Like who's, who is in charge of your lived [00:18:00] experience and you've taken ownership and responsibility for that. And I hope that this is where humanity is headed. But everything that you're talking about points to the fact that this has been something that's been challenging for us as humans.

So hopefully you're 

Raymon Grace: leading way 

Kara Goodwin: here. Well, a lot people. Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Because you've been taught that someone else has more power than you do. That's why you have to ask permission because other people are more powerful. I don't believe that. 

Kara Goodwin: I agree.

Raymon Grace: Um, I have another motto too, maybe several of 'em, but one is there is no substitute for freedom

and we, you don't have to fight a war to do it. You don't even have to be rude to people. Just say, folks, this is the way it is. Treat people with respect. [00:19:00] Don't go looking for trouble. We just say, this is what I'm going to do. This is what I'm willing to do. This is what I'm not willing to do. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: I got kicked outta drill sergeant school in the Army because they wanted to get rid of me.

Did they insult me? No. I was proud of it. What did, what I learned was the army didn't know what to do with me. They got right at me. Did I get angry? No, I didn't. I was, um, well, I was just kind of proud of it really. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, when, as you help people to get through the brainwashing that they've had and to kind of re brainwash themselves in alignment with their freedom and their sovereignty and their liberation, what are some techniques that you use to do that?

Is it just changing their minds? Are there energetic components to it? [00:20:00] 

Raymon Grace: Well, I don't know how well I can answer your question, even though I would like to. Not everybody is the same. So let's say it another way. Is it totally politically incorrect? Human equality does not exist. It never has. It's a lie that's been made up and people were dumb enough to believe it.

And I, this lemme explain how I started out a class. I thank everybody for coming. And I said, now folks, first thing I want to tell you is, and you're not obligated to believe me, but human equality does not exist now for all you good souls that believe it does. I have a question to ask you. How many cars did you steal this week?

And they look at me like, what are you talking about? We don't steal a cars. Oh, you didn't steal any cars? I believe you. Why? Because people of your caliber do not steal cars. So next question. How many kids did you sell to human traffickers this week and then the [00:21:00] car, oh, you didn't do that either? Well, I believe you.

Why? Because most of your people have come from a long ways. You spent quite a bit of money to get here to learn something that will improve your life. People of your caliber do not do things like this. So then how the hell do you think that human equality exists?

That's the way I start a class. 

Kara Goodwin: I love it. 

Raymon Grace: See, people don't think they've been taught how to think. They don't think independently. I do. And just because someone says something, because it's written in a book or because it's made into a law that people voted for doesn't make it true.

It just means enough people fail for it. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. I love this. Thank you so much. You are singing my song, Raymond. [00:22:00] I love 

Raymon Grace: you and I get along pretty good. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Yeah, 

Raymon Grace: we are. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes, absolutely. 

Raymon Grace: Alright, uh, alright. Now let's see. Let, let me, let me finish some things of the principles of my work here. Uh, real simple.

They're most mostly based on Einstein, um, energy. Imp energy is impressed upon matter. Thoughts are energy and your physical body is matter. So your physical body is affected by the energy around you, wherever you live. And what I have found is that schools are among the lowest energy places. Uh, there's a whole lot better energy in bars than are in schools, 

Kara Goodwin: really.

Raymon Grace: Uh. Oh yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: Oh yeah. Well, at least people are happy in bars.

Well, you have a point there. Don't, but, uh, but you know, I think they're happy. Um, so, um. I would encourage anyone listening out [00:23:00] there to learn how to dials and to check the energy where your kids go to school, check the energy where you work and you say, well, what am I going to do about it? If it's a disaster, you're going to change it.

I mean, I have made films of this, but one film is change energy, change your Life. It is blunt, just like I am now to the point of folks, this is what you do to change energy, 

Kara Goodwin: and this is the one that I, I purchased this and I've used this and the cool thing another, well, there are a lot of cool things about it, but one is you can let the video run and let what the rec, let the recording kind of do things on your behalf too so you can like keep using this and you can learn a method.

Raymon Grace: I did work. I can't say for sure because I don't know, but I think I'm the only person that has made a film that will actually change the energy in places by playing the film. That was, that was the [00:24:00] purpose of it, because I realized most people don't have the courage to believe that they can do what I'm doing.

So let's just put the intent. And intent is a strong word. Put the intent into this film that all the folks have to do is play it and ly direct it with intention to where the kids go to school or where they work, or where they go to church or wherever. And we can change up, change the energy of the places like that.

I don't think there's been a film made by clip that before. Uh, and I thought this is the way to help people who do not feel confident. That's, that is what happens to a lot of folks and how I know this is because they tell me, they will say, I just don't feel confident. And my answer is, until you do something and win, you will never feel confident.

So you keep trying until you win and then you feel confident. That is why I have confidence I have [00:25:00] won. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. 

Raymon Grace: I won't say I have won every time, that's not true, but I won most of the time. Now I'd like to get into a lot of stuff. Matter of fact, we got more to talk about than what we're gonna get done today.

I see that coming right now. Uh, so we'll have to do it 

Kara Goodwin: again. 

Raymon Grace: One of the things I did, uh, let's see right here. Um, one another, uh, one more principle here. And this is by Einstein and it's also a song by Willie Nelson. Energy Follows Thought. If you haven't done this, uh, Google, Willie Nelson Energy follows thought and listen to his song.

It's worth listening to. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay? 

Raymon Grace: Okay. I really appreciate Willie for saying, for making that song. And, uh, let's see what else? Uh, now let, lemme give you an example here. This is kind of how I started out a class, but this is based on. Follows Fault, which is a principle of Einstein. About three years ago, I received a call from a friend of mine in California whose mom [00:26:00] had a brain operation.

I never asked why. I just don't ask questions like that. Uh, and she couldn't walk. Not with a walker, not with a cane. The doctors were very concerned because this wasn't supposed to happen. I said, well, lemme see what I can do. I didn't honestly know exactly what was going to happen, but I thought, well, I gotta try something.

So I, I tried something. The next morning I got a email. Mom is walking. She don't need a cane. She don't need a walker. The doctors don't know what's happened to her. They can't understand this. Well, here is what happened. I've never seen this with this person, but I imagined simply a female. Human being and I put flowers all over her.

Why? To make her happy. And then I imagined I took hold of her hand and I ran down the beach with her. Why? I saw her as she could be. There was an old philosopher [00:27:00] many years ago in Germany, 200 and some years ago, I can't pronounce his name. He said, see a person as they are, and they'll get worse. See them as they could be, and they will improve.

I saw her as she could be. Now, this is a lesson for all everybody to listen out there. If you bitch whi and complain about people, they're never going to improve. If you can imagine an imagination, as Einstein said, is more important in knowledge, imagine them being kind, treating you well, being friendly.

See if you can change them. It would be a, a real good project for anybody that wants to improve their life to use. As long as you keep fishing, whining and complaining about it, it's never going to get any better. If you keep doing what you're doing, you're going to keep on getting what you're getting. So if, what if your life is not working Right?

Try something else. Real simple. 

Kara Goodwin: I love it. [00:28:00] So you were talking about changing the, the energy in schools. Do you wanna talk more about how you do that? 

Raymon Grace: Well, sure. Uh, I will briefly explain it. Not into great detail, but hopefully enough. Uh, and if you get any of my films, then it will explain it much better.

But the first thing I do in checking out schools or any other business, it doesn't matter what it is, it can be a factory and all. 'cause it doesn't really matter. You check the energy in the place. I won't get into all the details because that's gonna take too long and probably not really appropriate at this time.

But most schools will have a zero energy, and I'll tell you this, the higher dollar, more prestigious colleges have the worst energy I have seen. That's 

Kara Goodwin: right. I heard you say that. That is fascinating. 

Raymon Grace: Say that again 

Kara Goodwin: you Yeah. You said it about, uh, hotels as well. That's so interesting. 

Raymon Grace: Oh, yeah. Yeah. The most, uh, [00:29:00] look, I have a very good friend.

I've been, she's been my client for years. Uh, I won't give any way to identify her, but, uh, she has a very prestigious job that she travels across us sometimes into Europe, and she always stays in the most expensive hotels. Well, this girl is very sensitive. Uh, when I say sensitive, if she is. In a hotel and there's an entity there.

She can't get any sleep. It'll just keep her awake all night long. So what happens? She just hires me to clean up the hotel for her wherever she goes. If she's in Paris, she'll just send me an email. Tell me which hotel she's in. I'll clean it up for her. What I have learned is the higher priced hotels have more entities than the lower price motels.

Alright? Now another thing, you'll have usually worst hotels in England, [00:30:00] especially in England, I guess, and a lot of Europe, but not all of Europe than you do it anywhere else. Why? Because they've had 500 years or longer to accumulate 'em. This country's only had maybe a couple hundred years. Uh, maybe not that many.

No. Well, let's just, we can almost cut that back to about a hundred years, I guess. Uh, and. But places in, I found some, I found one in Italy. God, there was 500 entities in the place. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh my gosh. Wow. 

Raymon Grace: But they've had so many years. I think the hotel was probably 500 years old. So, uh, I, I just, that's just what I found.

So, but nobody's gonna make any money off of this, so, uh, we'll just, uh, maybe get into something else, but, uh, let, lemme get back to school. Schools are important. Why? Because kids are important. And, uh, for any parents out there, check, learn the doubt. Check the [00:31:00] energy of your, of the kids' schools. And then the first thing you want to check, what percentage of the teachers are possessed?

Well, possessed means being under the influence of a negative entity. Uh, it's about the best definition I can give you. Well, country schools. Like where I went to school, I went to school that was built in the middle of a cow pasture. I could sit there and look out a herd of cattle every day. Okay. Or most, there aren't that many schools around now, but that's, that's where I went to school.

But, um, schools like that are usually pretty clean. Uh, they won't hardly find any entities. Where you will find the worst schools is in the largest cities, uh, in, in America. The bigger the city, the more entities is gonna be in the schools. That's pretty much, uh, true now. Right. Here's a good note for all the folks from Canada that are listening.

I had a lady from uh, BC [00:32:00] contact me wanting me to clean up her kid's school, and I started checking out, well, ma there's really not much to do. There's a few negative emotions, but that's it. I found out the schools in, uh, in, uh, Western Canada were far better than the ones in the us. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: Now, I don't really work on schools around the world.

I just don't get requests to do that. But, um, I just couldn't say simple repeating the country, small country schools, generally speaking, uh, will have a better energy than the inner city schools. Inner city schools are basically jungles. I mean, I've found a number of, checked a number of them in big cities and every teacher that I was possessed.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: And people have a right to know what kind of environment they're putting their kids in. The problem is an average [00:33:00] person don't have a clue about energy. Not a clue. But that is why I make films and I, I, I talk like I do. I want it to make very, make it very clearly understood that, uh. All schools are not equal.

And that you folks, if you'll learn how, get some of my films, some of 'em, uh, a book or, so, I've got, oh, actually just a couple of all you would need. I've only made, I've only written three. Uh, learn how to protect your kids. Uh, and whenever you're going somewhere to make reservations for a vacation, check the hotel out, clean it up before you ever get there.

I get so many requests. I have a lot of clients out there and they have me check out their, uh, uh, or itinerary wherever it is they're going. I work for a businessman in Europe. I check out every place that he is going that [00:34:00] for a week. He, he writes me every week, gives me his itinerary. I clean it up for him.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: And see most of the world don't even know this is possible. I not only believe it's possible, I make a living at it. 

Kara Goodwin: Right? 

Raymon Grace: And it's, it's just, I made a career, uh, out, out of it. Why? Because, well, there's no competition, none, whatever. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, so when you, so you talked about, you check, the first thing you do is you check for possession with the teachers. And what I've learned from you, uh, is, you know, first when you're checking you, you know, up and down. So if you're watching the video or if, sorry, if you're just listening, I'm using my pendulum right now and mm-hmm.

Back and forth is Yes. And side to side is no. And my first, my first question for you is, do you, 'cause the way that I was taught originally is you start with a still pendulum and [00:35:00] then you ask the question and then you see what it responds. But do you begin by swinging it and then you let it take its course from there?

Raymon Grace: Not really. Uh, I'll just ask, are there any entities in, uh, in the teacher, anybody in the school possessed? Yes. How many? And I've got a, a numerical chart here, which I will show you. It's not real good. Uh, it's not real good at all, but lemme try dig it out here for you. Wait, wait a minute. I got a better one right here.

Didn't know I was going to show a chart, but a will. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, my doubting Well, and you can print these, you can print these dowsing charts off of your site too. Right? 

Raymon Grace: Right. I, I wanted to make 'em free to everybody. No charge at all. Just feel free to go to my site, Raymond Grace, uh, uh.com or no, Raymond. Raymond, us Raymond Grace us.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. You, you, I get it mixed up sometimes, but, uh, I wanted people to have that [00:36:00] chart and didn't want to have to sell it to 'em and give it to 'em. But for free, I gave away a lot of stuff. Really. Um. Learn how to use it. And on that chart, it's a numerical chart and, uh, you can simply measure by percentage what percentage of the teachers are possessed.

Um, the worst I've got in was in New York was 100% of 'em. Wow. Uh, next thing, check to see if there's any pedophiles in the school. Uh, uh, anywhere that your kids will go. You always check. Are there any pedophiles there? Uh, why? Because, uh, I'm bitterly opposed to pedophiles. I don't want my kids around 'em any, and I will take 'em out one way or the other.

I can do it. I may be lacking in smarts, but I'm not lacking in confidence. 

Kara Goodwin: I don't think you're lacking in smarts either, to be honest. [00:37:00] 

Raymon Grace: So anyway, uh, you, you clean up. I, my, one of my goals is. I do this in every class, every person in class that has kids in school, I clean 'em all up for them and show them how to do it.

And then I say, now you don't need me anymore. I don't want people to think they have to depend upon me or have to hire me to do it. Uh, I want, I want you to know you can do this yourself, but you have to practice. You gotta do anything to, to, to get good at it. Uh, so it doesn't matter what sport it is or what activity it is, the more you do it, the better you get.

So practice a little bit with this stuff and clean up for your kids. Go to school and, uh, you can clean up workplaces. Uh, churches and churches need it badly. Uh, there's more, uh, entities in, in churches than iron bars. Uh, how do I know? Well, I measured a bunch of them, so, uh, all I'm doing is giving out [00:38:00] information today that most people are never going to hear.

I really thank you for the opportunity to give me to say this. How many listeners do you have? Do you know? Several thousand maybe? 

Kara Goodwin: Um, yeah, I think we're, there's a few thou, like maybe 10,000 a month. 

Raymon Grace: Okay. I think I have somewhere around the same. I'm not sure. But, uh, you know, we're, we're reaching probably about the same number of people.

Okay. So now with your help today, you're letting me reach maybe 10,000 more people that, uh, that I didn't reach before. So I appreciate the opportunity. Glad you talked me into it. 

Kara Goodwin: I'm so glad that you're here. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. We're getting along fine. I knew we would. I sort, after you say, after your first response to me, I think I, we don't have a problem.

Okay. Um, now, [00:39:00] uh, where, where else if I have, oh, there's a little bit more you want to take. Uh, you can take negative emotions out of people. You see, according to, uh, Dr. Bradley Nelson who wrote the book, A Motion Code, who is a friend of mine, I wrote an endorsement for his book for him. He identified 60 negative emotions within the human mind.

Well, I had been finding 60 negative emotions, and I didn't believe it. Why? Because I couldn't think of that many. He actually identified 'em, so I think, well, I was right and didn't know it. Uh, so I check, uh, schools, I'm sticking with schools right now. But this can be applied to offices or to any homes or anything else.

Uh, people think, well, you gotta have a different method for a school, a different method for a church, a different one for a workplace. No, that's not true at all. One size fits all. Okay, so. You check to see how many negative emotions in a human's body [00:40:00] or in a school, and you do all this as a group. And look, I can clean up an entire school in probably less than three minutes.

It takes a lot longer than that to explain it, but that's really about, uh, all it takes to, to actually do it. Uh, so you transform all negative emotions into love. Makes me sound like a flower jaw, but it works. So, uh, that's, uh, that's just what you do. And how do I know it works? Because I get results.

That's the only reason you ever know if anything works. If did you get results? 

Kara Goodwin: Right. 

Raymon Grace: I, I, and then I get feedback. I tell the people, let me, lemme know if this, if this helps. Well, they hire me to do it. When they have another problem, they hire me to do it again. So it must be working. Uh, but the bottom line of what we're really seeing here is see intelligent human mind.

And in this case, I'm going to [00:41:00] point it at you because I can see you're pretty sharp. You have the ability to change the energy anywhere on planet earth.

So, uh, don't ever short yourself on your abilities. You just act like you know what you're doing and do it. 

Kara Goodwin: I love it. Well, 

Raymon Grace: that's called confidence. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Yes. And your, your method is, is straightforward and simple and powerful. And one again, like one, one piece of clarity that I, I would love personally, when you're talking about changing the energy, you say a counterclockwise rotation to remove energy.

Yes, ma'am. And here again, do you start with a still pendulum and then it just automatically starts going counterclockwise? Or do you swing it 

Raymon Grace: really, I just, I just pick it up like this and I start, uh, asking questions [00:42:00] and, um, I would like, let's see. Um, it, I would just ask if, let's say I'm working on a, on a, uh, on a home, are there any entities within this home?

Yes. How many? And I'll use my chart. I don't even have to look at a chart. I know where it spends. It's swinging right now, like to at about, uh, uh, where. About 22 would be, uh, if it was swinging over this way, it would be 10. If it swingings over this way, it would be about 30. Why? Because I, I know what, I can just hold it out here without a chart and pretty much know where it's, where it's been 

Kara Goodwin: and, and you even have your eyes closed.

Raymon Grace: No. Well, I can do that too. Yeah. I close, I close my eyes too much when I'm thinking. I always, I think better when my eyes closed. But anyway, I'll say, okay, I want to take all the indies out this out of this home and get, get rid of 'em now. That's all I do. You do not need long, drawn out statements. You just don't do it.

It's like, get them damn spooks outta here. [00:43:00] That's, that's it. It's that simple. And it will run counterclockwise. 

Kara Goodwin: And so, and it's just doing this on its own as you're commanding? Yes. 

Raymon Grace: And it stops. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And when it stops, 

Raymon Grace: it means that it's done. If you're getting rid of entities or negative emotions, um. Uh, okay.

Let's say, um, you're getting rid of negative emotions. It'll run a counter clockwise. Now let's take all the energy in those negative emotions. Let's turn 'em into love and it'll run clockwise. Now, I am not spending this, I'm putting no muscular effort into this whatsoever. I'm putting intent into it. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Okay. 

Raymon Grace: And my intent alone will cause a bullet to spin as long as it is necessary to correct the problem. And sometimes on real serious things, it will spend, oh, maybe three minutes. Now, at one time, when I first started out, it would [00:44:00] spend for five to 10 minutes. Wow. And I said, look, I live in a world. We have something called time, and it's not enough to go around, so I need you to spend faster.

And it did. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. I love this. Okay. Well, and you talk about the results of, that's how you know that this is working and you have some fantastic stories about some results that you've had. Can we, can you please share about the field? I love this story so much. Your friend who had the field, 

Raymon Grace: which, which one?

Kara Goodwin: The field that it had been sprayed. 

Raymon Grace: Oh, oh, that one. Yeah. With, uh, with Roundup. Yes, ma'am. I love that story. Uh, this was, uh, this was a, uh, farmer friend of mine and farmers, uh, have my priority. I have a saying, it's bad manners to cuss a farmer with your mouth full. So, uh, so [00:45:00] anyway, this farmer calls me one day and I, I know the guy, I'm friends with him and he says, I got a problem.

I said, well, what is it? He said, well, I have 20 acres of, uh, alfalfa, and there was some, a lot of weeds in it, and said, I called the farm supply store and asked him to come out and spray the 20 acres of alfalfa for the weeds. Well, the truck driver picked up the wrong jug of chemical, so he picked up a jug of Roundup and he sprayed 20 acres with Roundup.

Well, I thought it had just happened that day. I was wrong. It had happened a few days before, but he didn't tell me that. So since I didn't know, I didn't know it couldn't be changed. If I had known that all alfalfa had already died, I would've said, well, I'm really sorry to hear that, but there's not anything I can do about it.

But he didn't tell me, so [00:46:00] since he didn't tell me, I didn't know it was impossible. And I said, lemme see what I can do. So if I remember correctly, I took the roundup and transformed it into fertilizer. Well, I didn't hear from him for about four weeks. And then I got a email with a picture of the alfalfa field, which would've normally been two, two and a half feet tall.

It was four feet tall. And that year, instead of getting two cuttings, uh, uh, off of the, a field as he would normally have gotten, I believe it was two or possibly three, he got five cuttings. So it not only increased the, uh, size, the height of the alfalfa, which means he got more bales per acre, but it, he got, he, he got [00:47:00] more, but that shows you what can be done. If you don't know, you can't. 

Kara Goodwin: I 

Raymon Grace: love that.

If I had known all of the facts, I would've never even attempted it. I would've known it was impossible, but since I didn't know it wasn't impossible. 

Kara Goodwin: I love 

Raymon Grace: it is ama. People ask me all the time, how did you do this on various things. So I finally come up with a standard answer I didn't know I couldn't, and that is really my answer on just about everything.

Kara Goodwin: That's amazing. 

Raymon Grace: And, uh, so, but please ask any questions you want. I, I like talking to you. Oh, thank 

Kara Goodwin: you. 

Raymon Grace: So, uh, let's see, uh, how many, how many more stories do you want to go through or what, what type of stories do you wanna go through? And I probably got one for you. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, I, I love, I mean, one of the stories that I found really powerful too was you had a client who was really sensitive to [00:48:00] the, um, like the, they had a tower near them, like a 5G tower or a the cell tower, and they weren't able to sleep.

Yeah. And this is something that I, I wonder if I'm going through something similar because I'm hearing the last several days this low hum. And I've been checking like, is it my furnace? Is it, but my heating's not on all the time when this happens. And 

Raymon Grace: let's see what we can find out. Uh, what is your overall effect of the, um.

Any type of cell towers upon you Pretty darn serious. Okay. Uh, now I do not understand all this. I'm not a technically minded person, so I, I don't really understand the details, but can I neutralize the negative effect of the, uh, frequency of that, uh, tower upon you and upon your home and your family? Yeah.

Any reason not to? No. [00:49:00] Let's do it. And when I say let's do it, it will run counterclockwise. I am not physically spinning this. It is doing it itself. I have nothing to do with it.

Okay. And it stopped. What is the overall effect of the sale of the tyray, uh, frequency that it is emitting upon you now? None. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. I actually do feel in my spine, like, like something has opened up or I don't even know how to explain that, but something has just settled, like palpably within me. That's amazing.

Well, 

Raymon Grace: I am so thankful that I didn't turn you down on this invitation. 

Kara Goodwin: I am so thankful. I told you we'd have fun. 

Raymon Grace: Really? I mean, I like talking to you. You, you, uh, well that's, that's, that's says it all right there. Oh, I like it. That means a lot. I like helping you, but this is so, um, it's so simple. 

Kara Goodwin: [00:50:00] Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: But it's all done by intent.

It's not done by intelligence so much. It's by intent. 

Kara Goodwin: I love it. You know, one another thing, it makes me think of that in a way that I've used, what I've learned from you is when I notice things happening in the sky that I don't like when I start to see like grid patterns, um, with exhaust, let's say in the skies, um, uh, you know what I understand from what's happening there, it's not in the highest, uh, good for our health.

And so I've, and, and my friend Laura, who is the one who introduced me to your work, who will be so excited, she can't wait to hear this, so Hi Laura, love you. Um, but she, she and I, a couple of days ago, we had seen what was going on. It was this beautiful sunny day, and then there was all this, this grid work going on up, up in the cloud, in the sky, creating clouds.

So we were using your technique in, in directing it toward the sky. [00:51:00] Do you ever utilize it for anything like that? Like clearing up the air? 

Raymon Grace: Well. A word. Yes. However, I am not real knowledgeable on what all is up there that needs to be cleared. Uh, I just don't delve into things like that. But if someone calls it to my attention, such is what you just did, I'll say, okay, let's see what we can do about it.

So it's not something I work on on a regular basis or anything. Um, what my goal is not convincing people what I can do, but to convince you what you can do. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. 

Raymon Grace: And you could have done what I just did. You just had to believe in yourself. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. 

Raymon Grace: I love it. And what I hope this conversation is doing is empowering you to believe in yourself.

You can do whatever I do. You just gotta believe you can. And whether you believe you can or believe you can't, you're right. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes, [00:52:00] absolutely. Well, another thing I've heard you talk about is you have, uh, somewhat of a shamo background too. And so I've heard you talk about like soul retrievals and for soul fractal.

Can you go into that a little bit and how that's affecting people 

Raymon Grace: a little bit? Um, what I did, I had three real good Indian friends that, um, I learned from, and you might possibly have heard of one of 'em, uh, but you might not, you're probably not old enough to have heard of him. Did you ever hear, did you ever hear of the Billy Jack movie?

Kara Goodwin: No. 

Raymon Grace: No? Okay. Well, it's, it was a movie about Indians and how they were being mistreated, and there was a fellow that gave the story for that and uh, actually played a small part in the movie. His name was Rolling Thunder, as a matter of fact. Uh.[00:53:00] 

Right here is a picture of him and I sitting on my front porch. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. 

Raymon Grace: Okay. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: All right. He was one of my heroes. And, uh, he, that man was, uh, he could make it rain. He could stop a tornado. I don't know what all he could do. He was, uh, I was fascinated with him and I, uh, I went and spent a little time with him.

He came here and visited me and, uh, uh, I wanted to learn about Native American people because I respected a lot of what they did. So, uh, he was, I remember I had him here, uh, uh, visiting and. We were wanted to do a class, and I needed a location. So I called the local high school and said, I'd like to rent your high school for a, uh, uh, for, for a meeting.

He just went to the auditorium and he said, well, I can rent you the auditorium, but I really better not because we're going to have, [00:54:00] uh, a ball game at night and, uh, there won't be room to park all the cars. I said, don't worry about it. Your, uh, ball game will get rained out. Well, of course he didn't believe it, but it, it did.

That man could make it rain. He could stop it raining. I mean, he was, he was fantastic. I learned a lot from him. He, and like I say, he was one of my heroes. I, I've had a few heroes in my lifetime, uh, that I really admired and nothing was a, was an Indian woman up in British Columbia, and, um. They, the Indian people don't talk quite like Caucasians.

Uh, one, the Indian told me, he said, if you ask an Indian a question, he'll answer. You ask a white man a question, he'll answer you and keep talking. And he was right. So anyway, this, uh, this uh, woman told me one day, she said, if your spirit guides don't like somebody else's spirit guides, you won't be able to help [00:55:00] 'em.

I was like, this is valuable information. I never heard of anything like that. That's all she told me. I have been able to bring people together and makes them compatible. When they were fighting before, of course, the. Caucasian. Working in an office somewhere in a high rise is not gonna know what a spirit guide is.

So I won't get into trying to explain all that. Okay. But all, all I would get from the Indian people was maybe one sentence, but I understood it and I used it. And, uh, it was, um, I was really glad. I wish I could have had some more friends than that, but, you know, I was thankful the ones I had. Um, so all I, I kind of set a goal many years ago to seek out the people that actually had useful knowledge, not because it'd been to a [00:56:00] famous school.

Most of 'em hadn't have been to school at all. But I, I set a goal to find the, the people who really had usable knowledge and get to be friends with them and hang out with 'em a while. And, uh, it was very, very valuable, uh, adventure. I learned, learned quite a bit from other people like that. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, yeah. And you talk about Rolling Thunder and his ability to, uh, work with the weather.

And you do this, you've got in your Facebook group, you know, with the acts and, and teaching 

Raymon Grace: people how to I'll, I'll tell you a story on that. Yeah. Um, well, this, another Indian, uh, chief two trees. He was a Cherokee Indian over old Fort North Carolina, and he was an herbal healer. And I used to go over and hang out with him a lot because I learned from him.

I would go and hang out with anybody that would let me hang out with him to learn what they knew. And he and I were good friends until the day he died. I, I remember holding his hand and [00:57:00] sending him to the spirit world and said, have a good trip chief. And he, he, he left and it was okay. I felt good about it and still do.

Um, but, uh. Let's see, what was God, how did it get off on the subject? I done lost my train of thought 

Kara Goodwin: now. Oh, the uh, the weather? 

Raymon Grace: Yeah, the weather. Uh, he was telling me one day about bailing hay and said he had some farm helpers and they were bailing hay and uh, he got finished. He said, okay boys, go on home, get you a good night's sleep.

Come back the morning, they'll put hay in the barn and they said, chief, it's gonna rain. He said, nah, it ain't gonna rain. Well look, the rain is already coming over the mountain over there. Hay is gonna rot. Nah, don't worry about it going home. We'll see you in the morning. Next morning when they showed up, it rained on all four sides of the hay field.

Not one drop fell in the hay. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: And I said, chief, that's real ing you mind telling me how you did that? He said, I stuck an ax in the ground. [00:58:00] I said, I really appreciate your words wisdom, but I don't quite get it. Well stick an ax in the ground. Got to do with it. Oh, you gotta have a double blade ax. One goes in the ground, one goes up to split the clouds.

Oh, I get it now. So I started doing that without a ax. Part of the time we were putting up hay, we were bailing hay. One day, 19 I, oh, well actually it already been bailed. I was loading up on the truck. She was driving truck and I was loading. She says it, it's going to rain. I said, it ain't gonna rain. Now we'll get, we'll get to hay in the barn.

Well, I mean, the rain's coming right now. Well, yeah, but it's not going to get here. Uh, it'll stop. When I threw the last bale hay in the barn, the rain fell.

Now I have another friend, matter of fact, I talked to him this morning. He called me. He's an army colonel. Very [00:59:00] intelligent man. Very, very good person. He sponsored me in a number of classes. Um, and this was when the hurricane called, um. I believe Katrina, it was the biggest, worst hurricane we've had was coming up the East coast and he was in Pennsylvania and he called me and he says, what was that story you told me about that ax?

He said, that hurricane is coming right at my farm. I said, you got a double bed ax? He said, yeah. I said, well go out there and face the storm and drive that ax in the ground and he'll be okay. He called me back about an hour or so later the storm split and went around his farm. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. So when you 

Raymon Grace: do, this is not a person, this is a army colonel.

Kara Goodwin: All right. 

Raymon Grace: Okay. If it worked for him, it's probably gonna work for anybody else. Okay. But he believed it would. He believed what I told him, [01:00:00] and he used it. Uh, the man, I think he's a genius, but he, he called, we had a good conversation just about an hour ago. Uh, always glad to talk to intelligent people. Why?

Well, you can't learn anything from dummies, so we always use intelligent people to talk to. Um, and, uh, then let's see, had an old farmer out in Nebraska, and, uh, he didn't want his, uh, I think it was his hayfield. He didn't want it to get wet, so he just pretended he stuck an ax in the ground and the storm split and went around his farm.

Uh, but one of my better ones is, um, I have a friend in Naples, Florida, and she called me that there was a hurricane down there and the surge was coming in and it was going to flood her apartment, her apartment's on the first floor. And she said it's, uh, uh, this. [01:01:00] This, uh, surge is coming in, said it, it's going, it's, it's going to wash everything I've got away.

I said, no, don't worry about it. I said, call me later. I, I don't know, end of the day or sometime later, the water came right up to her door and stopped. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. I 

Raymon Grace: gotta do, I imagine putting up a sea wall around her apartment. I mean, yeah, water did come up to it, but not a drop came inside. Wow. Now, look, this is not done by intelligence.

This is done with a belief system. And then you don't have to be smart to do it. You don't need any letters after your name. You just gotta believe in yourself. And that's the biggest fault of humanity. They don't believe in themselves. They believe Somebo, people believe I can [01:02:00] do this. That's not the point.

I want them to believe they can do it. I've got more people wanting me to do things now that I can keep up with. So my goal is to teach other people how to get things done. If I'm the only person that knows how to do it, don't tell anybody. Then when I'm gone, information will be gone. That's why I teach classes.

People come from literally around the world. They come from Australia, Dubai, south America, uh, England, Canada, all over. And I give 'em the best information that I can because I want 'em to use it. And I say, folks, take, don't just go back and tell people you had an interesting class. I said, you teach your friends how to do this.

Uh, see now this is a big if. But if I could get enough people that would actually just follow some simple directions, we could stop wars.[01:03:00] 

I really believe we could do that. 

Kara Goodwin: Do you think it's a di something direct that you can do to stop war or is it just that you think that it would change the mindset enough within the human population 

Raymon Grace: that changed mindset? I don't know of anything that we could else, that we could do, and I better not get into that subject too awful much because it is highly politically incorrect and I got some pretty blunt statements.

Uh, I mean, as that I probably not real comfortable putting out, uh, on, on a film. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Uh, there's some reason to create problems. What I would prefer to do is show you what is not what is possible in the future, but what we've already done, what I'm telling you is not wishful thinking. It's what we have actually done.

Uh, now lemme give you another one. Uh, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, uh, 2002. Uh, my buddy and I [01:04:00] were traveling through, I was doing a, a talk up there somewhere in Saskatchewan or Alberta, or maybe both places. I don't really remember exactly. And we were invited to come spend the night and have a meal with these people.

And we, we accepted And I wonder, wonder what they want. I mean, when people invite you to come, they usually want something. And, uh, they had a well, and the well had, uh, excessive, uh, I believe it was Arctic in it, if I'm not mistaken. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: I believe it was arsenic. I'll, I'll say that, but whatever at my, I got a little foggy memory here.

And, um, 10 parts per million I believe was the safest. Uh. A level of arsenic that was a, uh, acceptable for human consumption. Well, they had 47 parts per million. Oh, wow. [01:05:00] So I was asking if I could do something about it, and he said, now there's no, uh, way to get to the water. I said, that's okay. I don't need to.

So I just went out and talked to the water for a while and I said, I want to take all the arsenic outta this water and, uh, just so we can have some pure water. Well, I didn't do a real good job. I got a email later that he had had it tested, and it was down to seven parts per million. That was then the accepted safe level for drinking.

But that wasn't the goal. The goal was to get it totally free of arsenic. So I said, let me try it again. Now it's roughly 4,000 miles from here to Sask, uh, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Now, the first time I was there physically this time I did it from home. So I did it again. That time he had it tested. There was barely a trace of arsenic in the water.

Kara Goodwin: Oh. 

Raymon Grace: So what does that tell us? That tells us that distance is [01:06:00] not a factor. Not at all. Okay. That brings us to, uh, Perth, Australia. Uh, there's a gentleman from Perth who's been in my class a couple of times, and he wanted to do a, uh, interview with me, such as this right here. And he said, uh, can you clean up the water in Perth?

And I said, well, how many people are we talking about? He said, 2 million. Okay. I've never done that before, but let's talk about it. Um, where does Perth get its water? He's, well, there's a lake up north of the, uh, city here, uh, that gets water from there. So I just picked up my pendulum and, uh, started, where'd I put it?

Here? I don't know, somewhere. Uh,

I don't know what I did with it, but it shares. But anyway, I started, um, started moving the pendulum a little bit. Uh, see, oh, here it is. One of them, it's a small one. Uh, I [01:07:00] said, um, what's the level of purity in the water? It was something like way below zero. And I, I'm in a conversation, I'm on the film just like I am now, and I said, well, there's something wrong with the water there.

I said, it looks like it's pretty much poison. He said, well, there's a lot of, um, demonic worship up in that area and pedophilia well, energy is impressed upon matter. When you've got that kind of activity going on around the lake, it's going to affect the water. I mean, it's just logic. It's not really complicated.

So what I did, and I will use this word because it's really what happened, demons, they were twin demons in that lake. So, uh, I got 'em out, got rid of 'em, I turned 'em into something else. Uh, we, we can do that. There's no, there's no doubt in my [01:08:00] mind we can do that. I've been doing it for years. So I got rid of the demons.

Then I had to get rid of all the, uh, the, uh, demon worshipers and all of the pedophiles and that, that took a few minutes to do that. It was a mess. It was probably the worst case I've ever had in my life. And it was a small audience. We probably didn't have over 50 people listening, and not all were from Australia.

We had 'em from other places. I said, okay, you folks out there from Australia, uh, I think I've just given you some decent drinking water. Now you owe me a favor. Uh, tomorrow I want you to send me an email. Tell me how your water tastes good, bad or indifferent. I got 27 emails from Perth, Australia saying, this is the best taste of water we've ever had.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: That's what can be done with the mind. Pendulum had nothing to do with it. It's just a tool. Make me believe something's happening. So for your listening audience out there, folks don't give you [01:09:00] power to a pendulum. Don't give you power to anything. The power is in within your mind. This is simply a tool.

Like a hammer is to a, to a carpenter or a wrench is to a, uh, to a mechanic. It's a tool. That's all it is. Don't worship it just. If you don't need a bullet, I just use bullets. 'cause I like bullets. Um, it's just my nature. Uh, and some people freak out at bullets. Uh, when I sell bullets at, uh, my classes every now and then I've got somebody, well, I don't like bullets.

Well, don't buy one. Real simple.

Kara Goodwin: Well, and so this goes to all of the different ways that you use the energy and that you use these techniques. It's, you know, we've talked a lot about changing the energy of space in this, but like you say, you've used it a lot to clean up water. You use it with the soul fragmentation, you use it with wetter weather, uh, changing.

It's [01:10:00] really just, it seems like it's just up to our imaginations in terms of what, what, you know, what the limits are. 

Raymon Grace: There are no limits. The limits are only the ones you choose to accept. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. It's so powerful. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. Human beings have a powerful mind. They just haven't learned how to use it. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. Do you find anything, I don't know if you've done much like group work, does it, does it help to have more people or do you typically just work alone?

Raymon Grace: Um, I'll give a quote from Tom Horn, and I've only had one person in class that ever knew who Tom Horn was. He was a hit man for the Wyoming Cattle Company in the year, in the 1870s. Here's a quote from Tom Tom Horn. I work alone. I'm damn good at it.[01:11:00] 

So no, I'm not a group person. I teach classes. I'm nice to people. I. When I've got a job to do, I don't want any help. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, 

Raymon Grace: I've got one man maybe, and I always like to give him credit. His name is Jeff Jones from the state of Tennessee. He is probably the most intelligent man I have ever met. I got a story about him.

I tell a lot of stories about Jeff. He, he comes to every class that I teach, that he has time to get there, and I always give him about an hour to tell his stories. Why? Because they're better than mine. Um, but he was in class with me in January of 97. I didn't know who the man was. And at the time, I was teaching people how to energize a glass of water by holding it up like this.

And I learned this from Jose Silva [01:12:00] and I kept, brought a cup of water with me today in case I needed it. Um. I held the cup of water up like this and I worked to put my intent into it to purify the water. And he said, are you putting energy in water? I said, well, I think that's what I'm doing. He said, well, if you could put energy in water, I can put vitamins and minerals in it.

That told me I was talking to a, or listening to an intelligent man. I said, I never heard of that before. Jose Silver. I don't think I'd ever heard of it. And I had a lot of respect for him. Uh, he's who I learned a lot of this stuff from, and I said, well, I don't know why you couldn't give it a try. That was in January of 97.

He hasn't had a meal since he lives on water. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. My 

Raymon Grace: goodness. Now, don't [01:13:00] anybody out there hears this, write me and want Jeff's phone number because I'm not gonna give it to you. Okay. You would drive him nuts with all this. So I don't, I always, I give his name out. I don't ever give how to get in touch with him.

He'll say, how do I get in touch with Jeff? You don't. Yeah. If you have a question, you ask me, I'll try to answer you. So I, I protect him from the public. But, uh, he's, uh, he's a very, uh, okay, I'll send you something. I'll send you a film. Uh, he and I being interviewed at the Arlington Institute in, uh, Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, several years ago.

I think you'll find that interesting. 

Kara Goodwin: I would, yeah. 

Raymon Grace: If you don't get it within an hour of the time we finish up, write and say, send me the video of you and Jeff. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. Awesome. 

Raymon Grace: Sometimes I get interrupted and I just forget to do stuff. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: But, uh, yeah. I'll, I'll be glad to send that to you. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, [01:14:00] thank 

Raymon Grace: you. As long as we, on my fact that we ever actually did together and, uh, it was, uh, it went over pretty good, but he has done what the rest of the world knows is impossible

and, uh, he, and when he's in class, we, we tell some pretty good stories to the class of things that he has accomplished. I'll get into 'em now because we're probably out of time. Well, how much more time we have. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, I was gonna wrap up just out of respect for your time, but I'm loving this so, you know, just keep going.

Raymon Grace: Well, you're giving me an opportunity to reach people I have never reached before. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. 

Raymon Grace: And hopefully I'm putting out information or sharing information that will wake them up to where they can help to, uh, use their potential. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. Absolutely. 

Raymon Grace: That's the reason I do interviews to help people reach their potential.

Kara Goodwin: Right. [01:15:00] Well, this has been just incredible. It's been so amazing. It's been fascinating, but it also is so empowering and this is what is so important and, and my, my hope and prayer for people is that they will start to understand themselves in a much bigger way. And the work that you're doing is really helping to pave the way for this.

Raymon Grace: Okay, I've got another story or so if you got time for 

Kara Goodwin: me. Yes, please go ahead. 

Raymon Grace: Alright. Right here. Um, I rub elbows with people of various social levels and I'm real good friends with a pop star, uh, in Europe. I never gave the name out. Um, and I was talking to her one day and uh, on, on a Zoom session and she said, I'm not happy with my music.

I said, your world famous. What's wrong with your music? She said, [01:16:00] it just doesn't feel right. And I said, uh, what frequency is it on? She said, four 40 hertz. Okay, lemme see what I can do for you now. Whenever we finish talking, I want you to get some of your albums and play them and send me an email. That's all I said.

She sent an email saying, my music is beautiful. What'd I do? I changed the frequency of it.

Now the interesting thing is it's been about five years ago. I didn't realize this until recently, but uh, Jeff had told me during that timeframe of about maybe I'd say less than a year of when I did this, there was no more school shootings in the US [01:17:00] 

Kara Goodwin: really? 

Raymon Grace: So is there a frequency in music that creates violence?

There's no doubt in my mind.

How much does it take to eliminate that frequency? I don't know yet. I gotta do some work on that. 

Kara Goodwin: Did you tune into a specific frequency that you changed it to? 

Raymon Grace: No, I don't know that much about it. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. So you just intended that. 

Raymon Grace: I don't even change it. I don't know. That's the additional frequency. 

Kara Goodwin: So you 

Raymon Grace: just, I I do too.

I got this from a, I got this from a very highly educated man that was in class. The definition of frequency is a speed at which an element vibrates. Mm. So I found out, I won't get into all this now, but I found out that people were vibrating on the wrong frequency. One of these days. You and I need to have a private conversation.

I'll tell you more. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, I would [01:18:00] love it. 

Raymon Grace: I, I, I'll do, I'd do that for you. Be a problem. 

Kara Goodwin: I'd love that. That'd be amazing. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. There's, there's certain things I would say to you that don't say on a, on a public broad case like this. Um. I try, I try not to say anything and create too many problems. Um, but I did want to throw that one out.

Uh, that, um, if you change the frequency of music, you change the frequency of the person's behavior that is listening to the music. You know who first figured that out? 

Kara Goodwin: Mm. 

Raymon Grace: It often Hitler. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, I think I've heard something like that before. Yes. Because they used, uh, they used sound to affect people in the war, right?

Raymon Grace: Yep, sure did. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Let's, let's take one little step forward is happening today.[01:19:00] 

Now. Any reason to say anything else? 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, 

Raymon Grace: that said. 

Kara Goodwin: So I wonder, you know my, 

Raymon Grace: that's why you have school shooting. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Well, that's what I was thinking is, you know, my kids love to listen to their music and they're just listening to, you know, the mainstream stuff. So I'm wondering if there's something there, like 

Raymon Grace: how old are your kids?

Kara Goodwin: 15 and 18. 

Raymon Grace: Okay. I'm gonna do you a favor and all your listeners, I hope, uh, God, I wish I could have found a bigger bullet, but it's Hit it somewhere. Uh oh, I got a big one here. Let's use this one. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh wow. That looks like more than a bullet. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. But let's see here. See kid music that your kids listen to.

Let's see if I can scramble the frequency of that music [01:20:00] and adjust it to 4 32 hertz. Now you owe me on this one, okay? You owe me an email in three or four days, okay? 

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Raymon Grace: And owe you other people out there listening. If you wanna write my website after you practice this, I'd be glad to hear from you.

It is taken a while. Got it done. Got it done. Okay. Let's see what happens. I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to do things like this. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, that is so kind. I mean, it's such a blessing to receive it. So I'm, I'm really, really grateful. You're just doing amazing work in this world and I'm, I'm so excited that there are people like you who, I don't know if there's anybody like you really, Raymond, but that I'm, [01:21:00] I'm so grateful that you exist and that you answered the call to, you know, back when you were doing your construction and then you, you were thinking there's more that I could be doing with this life and, and all the different ways that you've explored what you're doing and this service, it's such a high service.

I'm, I'm really, really grateful. 

Raymon Grace: Well, I've got another story or so here. Um, one I wanted to tell about April when you're seven years old, she wanted a soft drink one day and I said, well, April, I've already checked that soft drink and the effect of. That upon your body is not really good. But I tell you what, here's my pendulum and here's a soft drink.

So if you can raise the energy of it to make it nutritionally beneficial for you, you can have it. Otherwise, I'll give you a glass of water Now. Little kid sat there at seven years old now with my pendulum very intently because you really wanted the, the drink [01:22:00] it and hands it back to me. I check what's the effect of this upon her body?

100% positive. I said, deal's the deal. Here it is. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. So she converted it, not only, so it wasn't detrimental to her, but that it was like nutritious. 

Raymon Grace: Yes. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: And one day I saw her drinking a, a soft drink. I said, April, I didn't see you raise the energy of that drink. I don't have to. I said, why? I programmed myself that whatever I drank is good for me.

I've never been able to prove her wrong. 

Kara Goodwin: So you doused on that and it came up as accurate. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. Go April. What I'm saying is, I, I, I wrote a book about how I raised a kid. I was proud of it. It's called Seasons of April. Alright. I wrote it for one simple reason. I wanted her no two reasons. I wanted her to know that I was proud of her.

There was never a day went by, but what I failed to say, I'm proud of you. But I wrote a book to prove it. [01:23:00] I also wrote the book so that other parents could read it and get a whole lot better results if they'll pay attention with their kids. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Raymon Grace: And, uh, I just, I observed kids. I observed people and kids, they would talk about their little brat or sometimes even the little demon.

And you expect a well-behaved kid when you talk to 'em like that.

There was never a day went by that I failed to say, I'm proud of you. I would like to get that message out to the world

and it worked beautifully. See, life could be a lot better than what it is if people just wake up, but most people aren't awake

and I try to wake [01:24:00] 'em up. People come to class, they pay me pretty good money, spend a lot of money to get there, and I often wonder, do they really get it? Some of them do, I guess some of 'em don't. I wish they all would. If people are going to spend money to come to my class, I want 'em to get everything they can get from it.

Kara Goodwin: Have you noticed, this makes me think of something I've heard you talk about before in terms of, you know, you've been doing this work for decades. Have you noticed any kind of change in, in the energy or even in people's ability or interest in changing their energy and their lives? 

Raymon Grace: Unfortunately, yes, unfortunately, and it looks like I haven't made a dent in it.

I just be honest. 

Kara Goodwin: That 

Raymon Grace: you have or haven't 

Kara Goodwin: made a 

Raymon Grace: dent in my life. I see people are dumber now than I've ever seen in my life. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. [01:25:00] 

Raymon Grace: Um, it's like I get some of the most crazy requests work on my grandpa and they don't even sign their name of where they are. That's why they put delete buttons on computers.

Okay. No, seriously. I I, and I've, I've asked other people, do you notice that the people are getting dumber now? And they said, yeah. We, especially people that run a business, I've got one friend that sells tractors and one day he went out, he, he saw somebody, uh, looking at a tractor and the person climbed upon it, sat down, said, where could I buy a tractor like this?

And this is at a tractor dealership to sell some what? That was just one of the things he told me about that the people were asking him,

and there's [01:26:00] something going on that is totally making people's mind just blank. It's not the person's fault. There's something making it happen. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. 

Raymon Grace: Just like when I was a kid, we boys would go deer hunting. We had a rifles in her car. We'd drive to school after going deer hunting. We never shot anybody.

It wasn't any big deal that we had a gun in the car. We always did. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. 

Raymon Grace: My dad brought me my first rifle at 11 years old. Uh, and now I said, people are scared of guns and kids are shooting one another and they're shooting up schools. We didn't have that problem when I was a kid. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Something has made it happen.

Kara Goodwin: I agree with you. 

Raymon Grace: And it was not, and it was not the general public. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. [01:27:00] I agree. Well, I, I feel that with work, like what you're doing. Uh, I mean, I think you said you don't feel like you're making a dent, but I I do think, or maybe you said you do feel like you're making a dent. I think I, I interrupted you when you were saying it.

I 

Raymon Grace: hope I, I hope I have. Yeah. With some people I have. I've reached people in 160 countries. I get mail from around the world, so yeah. We have reached some people, but here's the biggest problem. They're not telling me what they've succeeded in doing. They're wanting me to do something for them. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm. 

Raymon Grace: That's the problem.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: I'm not trying to convince people so much that I can do something that's not a problem. I want to convince 'em that they can do it. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. 

Raymon Grace: My goal is to empower people, but it's not easy. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: You can give 'em the [01:28:00] information, but you can't make 'em use it. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: So I really want to thank you for the opportunity.

This, in my opinion, this session has gone wonderful. You have been a wonderful hostess. I appreciate you tremendously. Thank you. 

Kara Goodwin: Thank you. That means a lot. I, I'm so honored that you've been here. I've loved this conversation. I've loved every second. Um, now I've told you, I've, I've mentioned the course that I've taken.

You've got a lot of courses out there, and you've got your books, and you've got your classes. Please tell people how they can connect with you and they can connect with the offerings that you have. 

Raymon Grace: Well, my website is Raymond Grace us. That's spelled R-A-Y-M-O-N-G-R-A-C-E. Don't put a D on Raymond, just R-A-Y-M-O-N.

Raymond Grace Us is my website. [01:29:00] Uh, hesitate to give out my, 

Kara Goodwin: you don't have to give out your email, 

Raymon Grace: but I will. I will because there's some good people out there that need some information and I might be able to help you, but I do get overwhelmed and that's why I have to call 'em out. If it's a, if it's a legit, a very well politely written request, I will do my best to give you a polite response.

If it is something like, find my Lost dog, that's why they put delete buttons on the computer. Okay. I just wanna make sure everybody understands that. Yeah. So my email is Raymond, R-A-Y-M-O-N, at. Raymond Grace Us. I'll do that again. R-A-Y-M-O-N at Raymond Grace us. Don't put a D on my name and we'll be fine.

For some reason, people have trouble, uh, uh, when I give that address out, [01:30:00] they somehow leave out part of it. But anyway, that, that, I can't help that. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: But anyway, I, I really want to thank you for this opportunity. You have helped a few thousand more people have information that they probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

I thank you for that very much. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, thank you Raymond. Again, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for the work that you're doing. Thank you for answering the call and, and bless you. 

Raymon Grace: Tell me what I, tell me what I promised to send you because I didn't write it down. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, yes, the, uh, it was the conversation with, I forget his name.

J started, it was two Js. Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: James, I, 

Raymon Grace: I'll do it right now. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Raymon Grace: Uh, 

Kara Goodwin: thank you. 

Raymon Grace: I can get this going. 

Kara Goodwin: All right. Good. I'm gonna stop the recording here. 

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