576. Why Spiritual Transcendence Isn’t Enough | The Power of Somatic Embodiment - Dr Melissa Sophia Joy

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. You're gonna love this episode with Dr. Melissa Sophia Joy. We talk a lot about the importance of embodiment in your spiritual awakening and how this differs from the transcendence approach. She has wonderful stories of healing and transformation, as well as reassuring intel about the chaos humanity is
undergoing right now. Dr. Melissa Sophia Joy Nd is the founder of Somatic Awakening, an internationally recognized spiritual teacher, Oracle author and naturopathic doctor, specializing in mind, body, spirit healing, and multidimensional embodiment. She's also the founding director of Sophia Healing Academy. A mystery school dedicated to transformative, healing and awakening through the union of somatic

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depth, spiritual wisdom, and divine connection. Over the past 25 years, she's taught consciousness, spirituality, energy medicine, and holistic healing,. A divine feminine wisdom keeper in Star Seed. Melissa serves as a multidimensional channel and guardian of the Rose Grail lineage, an ancient path that weaves the law of love and the law of one into direct embodied experience, guiding others into profound healing, soul reclamation and the anchoring
of their divine essence. So I'll bring Melissa on in just a moment, but first I wanna invite you to explore everything available for you@karagoodwin.com. It is a sanctuary of support for your spiritual journey. You'll find my book, your Authentic Awakening, as well as a library of free guided meditations and resources to help you deepen your connection with your higher self. you'll Also find the summits, workshops, and live experiences that are

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coming up all created to help you expand your consciousness and connect with a community of like-hearted souls. And I wanna say a heartfelt thank you for supporting the show. Your likes, comments, shares, and subscriptions genuinely help this work. Reach more people. Please send this episode to one person who you think it will help today. And then go ahead and hit that like button while you're thinking about it. All right. Let's begin. Enjoy this episode. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Well welcome
Melissa. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. Thanks for coming on. Soul Elevation. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Thank you so much. I'm so delighted to be here with you. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: So I wanna start by talking about how you got into the, the more alternative pathways, because you have a long history in the realm of energy medicine and holistic healing consciousness and spirituality, which are, these are some of my favorite topics. So I would love to know

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how, how did you get into all of this? melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Well, it's a very long story and there's many different facets of it. I can tell. I'll just share a bit here and there. So I was originally called to naturopathic medicine because I had an incredible healing with my own naturopathic doctor. I had very severe genetic, um, eczema that I'd had from the time I was three months. Up until my mid twenties, very severely.
And, um, I had an incredible healing with him. And I went to Jamaica, um, for about a six month period of time. And I had a, you know, come to Jesus moment and I realized that, or actually I was called into being a naturopathic doctor, but not as a naturopathic doctor. The words that I heard in my vision was, it is time for you to step into being a modern day medicine woman. So from there I went to Naturopathic medical school. I then got a hold

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of a copy of the Fifth Sacred Thing by Starhawk. And in that book, the primary character is not only very intuitive, but she's a medical intuitive. And so I became. Kind of obsessed about medical intuition around that time. Carolyn Mace was just becoming popular, so I read all of her materials and then I went to a, after I graduated naturopathic medical school, I went to a, a program in the Bay Area of California where I live, academy of Intuition Medicine. Studied there, learned a lot,
learned how to, not only. Be intuitive, use energy medicine, but also being a medi medical intuitive and then started teaching there and then on and on and on and unfolded. I've had many, many awakening experiences, many healing experiences, uh, so today, yes, I'm a licensed naturopathic doctor, but I'm also a mystic and an oracle and a spiritual teacher. So kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: And melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: many stories that can kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003:

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Oh, oh, I'm sure. And I would love to hear them. Um, so with that big healing that you had with the eczema, was that a sort of instantaneous type of thing or was that just like over time with, once you got attuned with the correct remedy for you, you just couldn't believe the results? melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Yeah, it was really over kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Mm-hmm. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: The first thing that we did was look at my
diet. I was very allergic to certain things that I loved, so we cleared them outta my diet. a lot of different herbs, used a lot of different topical remedies, but the big thing that shifted it was working with somatic emotions. And we did that originally through doing breath work. And I discovered a lot of anger inside of me from something that had happened early whenever I was young. And as soon as we did that, that's when everything shifted because the, the emotions were really

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fueling the eczema. And so as I worked on an emotional level, then the eczema shifted and I, you know, it's, it's genetic so it still comes and goes, but. Mainly these days it's completely gone. And, um, the, the real thing that got my attention there was the correlation between my emotional state and my physical body. So the next thing that I added as soon as I could while going to naturopathic medical medical school and afterward was learning many,
many different mind, body, spirit modalities. And that's how I also became a mind body spirit specialist, and still am to this day. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. I just, um, had a guest on Monday on a live stream and she was talking about, uh, she was telling a story about a, a child who she'd worked on, and she was like, he's allergic to talking to the mom. He's allergic to garlic. And the mom was like. Well, he's been tested for

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everything. He's not allergic, and she found it in the mental body. And so it was like his physi, it wasn't showing up on a physical test, but his, he had this, uh, allergy in the mental body and once she stopped allowing him to have garlic, it cleared up and it was eczema again. So it's fascinating to me. That, um, you're telling now two days later this story and it's got this emotional body connection to it, and that
helped to clear it out. I mean, it's so powerful. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: It's super powerful and I just wanna say being in practice for over 25 years, those tests that test the food allergies, they're about 60 to 70% accurate. So we can't put all. Wait on that. But I have seen so many, many, many things just like that there is a past life issue or a familial inheritance of trauma issue something

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that stuck inside of the second chakra or the third chakra that is connected to the physical body and its direct manifestation of physical symptoms. So, you know, I've seen just about everything at this point. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: It's so wild. It's just amazing. Amazing. So. It feels like, uh, we're seeing kind of more and more a, a type of gap in how far healing can go with traditional therapy and even with some spiritual practices. So why do you think that
these aren't always offering complete healing or transformation? melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Mm-hmm. Well, that's a really good question. You know, my sense of it is that I think the first thing I just wanna say, because I work with a lot of healers, you know, we all have the best intentions of healing and evolution and, you know, what, what it is it that we really need to do in order to heal. However, you know, one of the things that I've really seen a lot is

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that when we only focus on the story. the, the past story of whatever trauma happened or conditioning or even past life issue, if we only focus on the story and we don't bring it into the body, then that experience, whether it's through traditional talk therapy or through hypnotherapy. That can actually re-traumatize the body. if we're only focusing on, say for instance, the
mindfulness or even spiritual awakening, those things can either jump over the deep energy, that somatic contraction stuck in our body, or even cause a spiritual bypass. And in some cases I know for myself, uh, there was a period where I was going through a huge amount of awakening over several years. And what ended up happening is that that awakening caused the trauma to

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rise up inside of me in a way that was overwhelming. And so when we leave out the somatic body, the nervous system, and really tending that. Not only from our consciousness, but from our higher self and from our connection to the divine. Then what I've discovered is that there can be huge transformation because the energy of the trauma that's stored inside of us is met, and it's not only met by our mind by understanding, but it's met with the power of
force. A love that has the ability to really fully. Be present with to hold, to comfort, to nurture, to transform, to alchemically, transfigure, what's going on inside of us so that we're more free and that we have more ability to not only live in peace, but to live into who we really are. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. So do you have a story with a client or with yourself that kind of brings home what you've talked about? Because I think

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it can be a little bit complex to understand if some of these concepts are new to people, but maybe through a story it can, it can land a little deeper. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Absolutely. Well, you know. I know a lot of healers and most of the best healers are what we would call the wounded shamans or the wounded healers, right? We've been through our own deep, deep experience and from that experience, we can then bring that
depth out into the world. So I'll use myself as an example here because, um, what I teach Somatic Awakening and the School Sophia Healing Academy, that wasn't something that I thought I was going to do. Uh, it actually arose from my own experience. Uh, so I would say about 25, 26 years ago, I started having a lot of trauma recollection, both from this lifetime, things that I didn't know that were repressed as well as many, many, many past lives.

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Now, a lot of times when I say that, people are like, wow, that's amazing. And it can be. But in this situation. The majority of all of these past lives were very traumatic, and it very much overwhelmed my system, so much so that I started having panic attacks and other things like that. And before this, I didn't have any history of panic attacks. And so what happened is that I really threw myself into my healing. I not only experienced
a lot of modalities, but I learned a lot of modalities. I had a lot of experiences in medicine journeys and initiations and this and that, this is why. I can say, you know, has is, is attempting to heal, but sometimes it can make things worse before it gets better. So I was at a place about 17, 18 years ago where I had deeply surrendered where I had to try so many things and I wasn't really feeling the peace inside of myself that I was

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really longing for. And so what ended up happening is that I. I really went into my meditation practice in a really deep way, and I heard from my spirit. It's time to really allow the divine in and a level on a level that you have never done before. So I said, okay, I'm in. What do I need to do? it was deeper and deeper and deeper surrender. And it was right around that time that I ended up having
a very bad flu, very high fever, uh, almost went to the er. as I was coming down from that fever, I was awakened in the middle of the night with a vision. Of Yeshua and Mary Magdalene coming to me and saying, it's time for you to remember who you are, what you're here to remember, and to share with others that in this process you're going to be completely healed. And so I was paying attention like,

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please, thank you. What do I need to do? And so one of the primary things that they said is, you know, go through this multi-year healing experience and to really get serious about my meditation practice. You know, I've been a meditator for a very long time, but after the birth of my daughter, I kind of, you know, stopped for a bit. And so I started meditating on a daily level on what ended up happening is that Mary Magdalene and others. Mother Mary Yeshu at times, other
beings other, you know, many ascended masters started coming to me and teaching me what I now call somatic awakening, which is in essence not only how to use what we normally call our witness consciousness, but how to. Actually connect to witness consciousness from our higher self that has this very powerful ability to stabilize and to be present, to bring that part of us down into the body, to the places that are suffering, that are lost, that are frozen, that are hurt.

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in that process, when we're really holding presence with our higher self witness consciousness, with these, what I'll call sematic contractions of trauma. As they start softening and trusting, then even higher and higher frequencies of divine energy come in, what I call the conduit of divinity, becomes activated. And whenever this trauma needs, it receives the right and perfect timing for it. And so I have
seen miraculous. Deep, miraculous experiences, both from my own experiences, well, now working with this, teaching it for the last 15 or so years. Many, many, many countless students and patients. But it started with me. It started with me feeling a such a deep, profound sense of peace and coming home to myself in a way that I hadn't experienced. From my perspective, actually in lifetimes. In lifetimes. so

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2012 for me was a huge birth moment of coming into not only an understanding of what it's, what's possible, what we but what's possible when we transform and awaken the divine that's inside of us. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: That's beautiful. Let's talk about the crucial element that is brought in through embodiment. Now, you may have touched on this already, but I'd I'd like to
spell it out. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Yeah, absolutely. So there's many, many different ways of looking at embodiment and what embodiment is. A lot of people have different definitions of embodiment. So what I'd like to do, first of all, is just take a moment and define what I mean by embodiment, what it means in somatic awakening. So it means, first of all, is that

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we. Work with transforming the density inside of our being. So when I say density, I'm talking about the somatic contractions, the density within the psyche. Um, definitely within the ego, the ego parts and programs, all the negative voices, right? So we are working. As a path. This doesn't happen all at once. As you can imagine, over time to create more and more peace, more spaciousness inside of our body, and as we
move more into this spacious place. There are two things that happen because in somatic awakening and what I call the practice, which is what I'm defining here, the higher self witness consciousness coming in and energy coming in and transforming in the practice, you're already connecting with higher self energy and divine energy inside of you. it is moving through you meeting those places, and as soon as those places

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respond and relax. the contractions melt away, then you have more space for that higher self divine energy coming in to form. And as this happens more and more, what occurs is we come into contact with the essence of the divine inside of us. know, different people have different definitions, so give bear with me for a moment. I wanna define two different things, and this is how I have been shown.
What's how I've been taught through these masters is that the spirit is the energy of ourselves that is at one, ultimately a one with the divine that is in our higher chakras and definitely in our body, but it can move through us. The soul is, way that I define it, is the divine essence that lives inside of us. And our ego and psyche and these dense contractions can actually build this density

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around these different aspects of the soul. We can say the soul lives within the body, but they're definitely, definitely different aspects within the body where it lives the most, like the heart, for instance, in other places. And so as these densities. and transform. Then we come into more connection with the soul and the divine energy within the soul, and that's where there's soul elevation where we can
really come into that connection with the divinity. That is the is. It's a unification with who we are, our sole purpose, our soul mission, our sole passion, and ultimately the oneness of the divine inside. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Mm. Beautiful. So this. I'd love to get your perspective on why this moment in history feels so intense for so many people, and how do you understand these collective

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difficulties as an initiation rather than a failure or a collapse. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Mm-hmm. Well, this is a really important question because we are living in some really poignant, poignant times, and so from a somatic and evolutionary perspective, you know, humanity from my perspective is encountering the consequences of accumulated unintegrated trauma. And this is from, definitely from present life.
There, you know, there's a lot that's going on, not only individually, but also collectively. That we are now seeing as well as from past life perspective, whether, you know, you believe that you've been here before or not. There's a lot of past material over the last few eons a huge amount of violence and power over programming and all of these different things, right? well as how we are inheriting that from a familial. You know, I

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have seen and experienced now so many people, myself included, that have trauma from. Our familial lineage. We can call it from an energetic genetic perspective, you know what have you. And so this is really happening on an individual as well as a collective level. And so what has been suppressed is now surfacing, right? It's like a boil that's being Lance like. It really does need to happen because this is where healing occurs, but
it's not easy, right? And so I think many of us are praying for. This transition to happen with ease and gray so that our, all the systems stay in place so that there's gonna be very little, um, traumatization from it in the system sense of food systems and transportation systems and all of that. But in the bigger picture, I believe that we're going through this process as a collective initiation, and of course I'm not the only person

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that speaks to this, but I want to speak to it in a way where we can really drop in. Because a lot of times people will use the word like ascension. I don't have any problem with that word, but my perspective is that we also need to. Work with what are we transforming and what are we living into? We're, you know, the, in the big invitation is that we're transforming the lower ego. We're transforming these densities and we're transforming
how the lower ego has been. In cahoots, so to speak, are best friends with the linear mind. We can call it the lower linear ego mind that continues to perpetuate these negative cycles, whether it's a. Cycle of like what I've talked about before, like the victim victimizer program, the power over program that you know, the many governments have been running or corporations or people in power that 1% have been running, or our own

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lack of ability of seeing our own worth. any self-hatred or self-loathing or the inability to love ourselves or any, any negative voice that can perpetuate us staying in this lower vibratory 3D consciousness. And as we shift more and more. Again, we step more and more into our divine humanity, but we're definitely not out of the woods yet. You know, I was just writing a,
a blog yesterday about 2026 being the year of the fire horse and all of that. What's, what's coming in with that? Because there was so much momentum and transformation and movement forward and freedom, but it also. Really represents intensity and visibility and emotional honesty with ourself, right? And so what we're really being asked to do is to take responsibility for

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ourselves in a way that most of us. I really understand what that means. So when I say take responsibility for yourself, I'm not talking about, you know, being in a conversation with a friend and taking responsibility for your part. I am including that, but at the bigger level, really taking responsibility for. All of our ego for all of our parts, for who we really are to actually transcend the
negativity that has been running inside of us, much less externally. Right. And as we do this more and more, we naturally will step into this evolutionary process of coming back home to our sweet humanity, allowing you to be what it is and. at the same time, as I said before, allowing our divineness to also be here, our divine humanity, or, um, as a fellow teacher calls our, uh, collective consciousness

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that is in alignment with this divine energy that we are. So as so in essence, as we step more and more into this field. this conscious divine humanity. We naturally will then be living more in coherence and be able to move that energy just by living it out into the world and affect more and more change just by living in that coherence. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Hmm. I love it. You, you mentioned. Some
key words for me that are, are big. You know, coherence is very big for me. The sovereignty and the responsibility are huge, and I love that you differentiate between, okay, yeah. It, it includes like, okay, if I say something hurtful or if I overstep, you know, then I take responsibility for that. But it's so much bigger. And when you're talking about systems that are changing and you know, we're, this whole

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thing started with the intensity of the time and we want things to be gentle, but we are giving, being given the opportunity to see the structure of our reality in a new way. And so, for example, if we have been giving our power. To the government or to health systems and we say, fix me. Oh, you're responsible for me being secure and healthy. And you know, it's the government's
responsibility. If, if I shouldn't eat overly processed food, if the government's let saying it's okay to be sold, it's not my responsibility. 'cause I'm just, it's, it's there. It shouldn't be there if I shouldn't eat it. It's this. Rewiring so that we understand that the government is not protecting us. They never have been, and it's not their responsibility. We are sovereign beings.

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But when we hand ourselves over and we say, Nope, you're my, my mom, you're my dad, you're, you make the decisions for me, and then I just do what I'm told. We're maturing out. We have the opportunity to mature out of that, but it takes responsibility. And so on the bigger standpoint, all of us as individuals, you know, need to start shifting to see, yes, sovereignty, yes, freedom. Yes. Let's get out from underneath this and. We then need to take
respon. We need to be willing to take that responsibility for ourselves in a way that, I don't know, that has a lot of people have connected yet. You know? So I love that you're bringing all of that together too, because it's so important. I think it's a really key theme for where we are right now. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Absolutely. You know, it's. Interesting that you're saying that in, in this way, because getting an intuitive

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hit actually to share something. And you know, I'm talking about how you know, we are divine and we're also human, but it's a path to get there. And one of the first places we begin in Seman awakening is really coming into connection with what I call adult consciousness. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: consciousness is, it's part of our higher ego. It's also part of our higher self. And, um, I actually
have a introductory class to Somatic Awakening. And the, that very first class, a part of that is a transmission from Green Tara. She talks about how adult consciousness is the most important thing in our collective consciousness right now. Because when we have the ability to actually evolve from child consciousness through teenage consciousness to adult consciousness, and you're right, taking responsibility for what we eat, how we live, what we think, who we are.

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Who do we connect to? Who do we give our power away to? Do we keep our power? How do we keep our power? What does it mean to have healthy boundaries and sovereignty? Right? Adult consciousness. It stabilizes us and it stabilizes us. In relationship to all the negative voices that say, oh, mommy, mommy, or Take care, take care of me. Or, I'm gonna play the push pull game with you just like I did my mom or my dad. Right? And so in essence, it's one of the first significant
steps in our evolution and a lot of us, probably a lot of people listening to this podcast already know what I'm talking about, but I'm talking about. Everyone, or I'll say Green Tara, in that transmission was talking about everyone. And we can see on the national stage right now, there's a lot of people not in adult consciousness. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. Yes. It's so poignant. So how can someone stay rooted in compassion, truth, and presence during

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these times while there's this. Tip, potential tip into being overwhelmed or numb or spiritually disconnected. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: You know, I love this question because most people who are sensitive, at least in my experience, are, or most people who are spiritual rather, are sensitive and just about everyone. I know who are sensitive are struggling with this because there's so much that's coming out. It just keeps
on coming out over and over and over. Right now we're in a, you know, a very intense node and it'll slow down, but then something else will come up. And so the first thing that I want to say is that it's important to know that if you are sensitive, the struggle is normal. if you haven't gotten to that place yet, I invite you to know, to feel, to sense like I'm not alone. This is normal. Also, compassion doesn't mean taking on all the

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suffering, I to teach a program called Consciousness Healing and Ecology at a liberal college in California, and there was a lot of people, students who would merge. With everything that was going on, and they then be completely overwhelmed is what I call hyper empathy, right? Or we merge with everything and this over overwhelms our system. So it's important for us to understand that we have appropriate
boundaries. So for me, that means I don't always listen to the news. I mean, I do stay abreast, but there's no way that I could listen to the news every day and not be overwhelmed, right? So we find the ways in which we have our appropriate boundaries. And then the other thing that I have found that is really helpful is being in presence, actually really nurturing a spiritual practice that allows you

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to feel you're feeling. allows you to also be in presence because presence really protects us against both collapse as well as dissociation. And so Somatic Awakening teaches us to return to this presence within the body to. Connect with the parts of us that have this ability to be in presence with anything that feels overwhelmed or that you're running, you know, too much energy around
or it activates pain, struggle, suffer, whatever it is, right? And then we work with it in a way so that. Your higher consciousness is here coming into contact with whatever the difficulty is, and to work with a place of R in perfect distance, right? And so it modulates the intensity and it allows for there to be this container, this potent container, so that this energy can really

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feel the divine presence or what I call gnosis or clear nosis. It's the feeling sensing, intuiting energy of the divine presence. And so when we allow this divine presence in our body, not just from a linear perspective or from a visualization perspective, but from a real perspective, what happens is that any parts of us that feel scared or hurt or suffering, they begin to soften and they begin to transform. So we have more to be with what's going out.
going on rather, in the world. The other thing I just wanna say is that for those of you who are feeling overwhelmed right now, one of the primary ways that you can really come back home is to find regulation in your nervous system. And there's many different ways to find regulation. So I'll just give you just a couple of hints here. One of the ways that the nervous system finds regulation the most is through rhythms, right? So you find your rhythm of.

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Rest and self-care versus engagement. I actually was just on a call yesterday with a patient. She was trying to figure out, should I go out? I'm not feeling well. What should I do? Right? So to really find that should I rest? Should I engage? Because too much rest can feel stifling. Too much engagement can feel overwhelming, but the right amount of both is. Really align to regulation as well as feeling,
working with whatever's going on, turning toward it, as well as time of integration where you're not pushing, you're just allowing things to settle in healing, to move into. More deeper felt integration inside, as well as times of spiritual practice. Really throwing yourself into whatever meditation practices or yoga practice or whatever that is. But then also having time of play, right? So both of

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those are need to be in balance as well. And so above all, the deeper thread here is listen to your body and act on what. Feel supportive and nurturing to your body in the big picture. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. So you, I'd love to know more about the Sophia Healing Academy and its evolution and what is coming up next. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003:
Well, this is an exciting time for Sophia Healing Academy. I have been teaching Somatic Awakening for. Almost a decade, and I am in the process of finishing a book for publication. But over the last year or two, guides have been coming to me and saying, you know what? Somatic awakening is a very important aspect of healing and awakening and embodi. But there's more. And so, um,

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I'm now being invited to step more into teaching different topics that have been moving through me and my own awakening, my own experiences. And so this year actually what's gonna be going to be happening is that we're going to be opening even more to quantum awakening. There is going to be a introductory class in April called Awakening the Quantum Self. I have to look at my notes because I just came up with that name last night.
Awakening the Quantum Self, a foundational course into coherence and creation, and that's going to be. Coming out late April, as well as a seven month program called Quantum Awakening Living from the quantum Field. And that's going to be starting in the fall, probably at the beginning of October, late September, something like that. And so right now I'm in a first run of that program with a lot of advanced students and oh my gosh, our

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reality is changing. So. Significantly. I'm actually getting ready to teach a class this Sunday, um, called quantum jumping and time lapse timeline collapsing. So we're definitely diving in on a very, very significant level. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Wow. And so who, who would be the right type of person for these offerings? melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: You know, the, the type of person that. Usually the students
who come to me that most resonate with this is the type of person who's already tried a lot. You know, they've been a seeker for a while, and very often they have tried this and tried that and tried this other thing, but it just, it's not settling in them in the way that they really long for. It's like that where I was before where I tried so many things, but I really long for this deeper sense of peace. I really long for actually

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fully embodying myself and then living from this place of embodiment because this is what's so exciting about what's happening now. Somatic awakening really helps stabilize. All of the awakening, all the healing experiences that you've had before, and really take it into the holy body, into our precious body so that we can begin to understand, feel, sense, this divine energy that's living through us. And
then from there. Then we step into these much bigger, much wider fields. You know, I know a lot of people that, you know, I say quantum awakening, but they have this idea of like up and out. Oh, Ascension, right? Like, well, that's part of it, but we're gonna be doing it from the body, right? And so we, we bring in this. of this divine human energy. And then we make contact with the field in this coherent

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field, and that's where incredible magic happens. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I, I, melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: is just, uh, can I say one kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: yeah. Yeah. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: is the beginning. There's more coming kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Uh. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: few years or telling me more and more and more. I'm like, oh my kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Wow. Well, I love, you know, throughout this conversation you've been talking about obviously the embodiment because that is the somatic element of it. You mentioned
early in the interview about, you know, the potential for spiritual bypassing as we are going through an awakening and when we come across some trauma, whether that is past life trauma or previous trauma that we've had in this life that got buried and it starts to show itself, and we may have that temptation. To bypass it. And then you're talking about that like, you know, people mistaking going quantum for like, you know, going out of the body and the ascension, you're, you're like indicating up going up and out. And the difference between that type of. Seeking of the up and out. Like, let me, okay. Let me get, and, and

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I think I was like that for like more in the beginning of my journey where, yeah. So she, if you're just listening, she's like raising her hand. Yes, me too. I think a lot of us, I think that was just like a more traditional. Spiritual seeking path where it was like, oh yeah, we can get outta here. And um, and I still enjoy like obs out-of-body experiences and things like that, but, um, but I feel that more and more we're being.
Sorry, something came in my throat there. Um, I feel like more and more we're being invited to utilize the human technology that we've been given through this body. You know, the, we, these are amazing creations. Our, our physical bodies are these amazing creations, and we have all of these access points to the quantum to. Timelines to our higher self, to different parts of ourselves through the body. And that's what I love that I

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keep hearing like the undercurrent of this conversation is this way to utilize. The human technology in order to have those experiences in the quantum, you know, they're, they're so interlinked, but I, I really wanna be able to take the opportunity to drive that point home for listeners that if you're, if you associate spiritual growth with the ability to get out, you know, that's not all that it is. And you may really be missing something, some
opportunities if you're always trying to transcend. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Absolutely. I was actually just writing in my last chapter of my book, the. Difference between the up and out awakening and the down and in awakening. And the up and out awakening usually happens first. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Hmm. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: I know when I was 26, I spent a summer at a yoga meditation, retreat,

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I had my first awakening experience and it was with divine mother and was up and out. But then over time, I started realizing. What actually happens when we bring it down and in and down and in At first, it can seem more difficult because guess what? These precious human bodies store trauma right? kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: And they're so dense too, you know? Yeah. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: exactly. So as we bring this
down and in, in energy, this divine energy down and into our body, right, the transformation can happen so that we can activate divine frequencies inside of us. And I think that's one of the reasons why I'm so excited about what I'm teaching now, because now we're talking about advanced embodiment and sacred anatomy, and. do we make contact with the soul inside of ourselves? Well, there's many different places and each place has a different

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frequency, right? But we're also talking about things like Akashic record, so we're doing up and out. But guess what? The IC feel, the way that it's showing up now, it's, there's huge amount of healing energy that's there that goes directly then into the body so that we become the, because of a human. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: I love that. And you know, Melissa, the other piece to this that I, that came to mind when you were saying
that, is the fact that we are incarnated. So we have these amazing souls that have chosen to take a human body at this important time. And when we are going through the work that you're offering, the service that we do to the collective, through the embodiment of that higher frequency, that is a service. To humanity. So the more people who are fully, because it's, it's, so there are all those individual benefits that we've been talking

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about this whole time, but for people who really feel service oriented and that they are here on a, on purpose and on a mission. This is part of it. You know, this is, yes, you may have vocation, you know, you may have, you may be a healer, you may be a a podcaster, you may be a performer, you may be, you know, doing sound bowls and offering all kinds of ways for people to connect with their soul. But the
more that you are bringing your soul into this human body. You're anchoring that light in as you move through your life, and that is a huge, that in and of itself is a huge service, so. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: agree. I was actually just working with a, a person who is an advanced student. A few days ago actually, and she is a retired corporate executive, like worked for one of the top-notch

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financial companies, is extraordinarily wealthy, but now she's retired and she's been in this inquiry for a long time because I've, I got to know her as she was getting ready to retire. And she's a incredible spiritual practitioner, and we were doing some really, really, really deep work. And her primary question is, what now? What am I really being asked to do now?
And the answer that arose that she received, that I was helping channel through was, you're a tower. You're a lifehouse, you're a beacon. This is who you are. And tears were just streaming down her eyes and she was feeling this potency how significant this is not only to her experience, but to everyone around her, how she is beaming this light out onto the world, being

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this tower, this beacon, and. We both were incredibly touched. Like a person who is very, very awake, who is living in a cave in the Himalayas, you know, they are deeply, deeply, deeply affecting the evolution of humanity's collective consciousness. So any time that we can take that next step in evolution. We're definitely not only affecting ourselves, we're affecting everyone around us and those that we don't even see as well.
kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: A hundred percent. I love that. So this has been an amazing conversation. I'm so grateful for the work that you're doing. Can you please share how people can connect with you? melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Absolutely. So you can go on sophia healing academy.com and there are a lot of free resources there. There's a free ebook that you can check out, um, as well as a lot of different meditations and introductory

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courses and many different things. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Beautiful. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: want to check out my practice doing one-on-one work, that's somatic awakening.com and that goes into all the different levels and layers of things that we can do one-on-one together. kara-goodwin_1_02-11-2026_133003: Beautiful. Well, thank you so much for coming on Soul Elevation. This has been a beautiful conversation. melissa-joy--she-her-_1_02-11-2026_103003: Thank you so much for inviting me. It's been a deep pleasure. Thank you
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