477. 🌀 Ancient Earth Energies, Elongated Skulls & Stonehenge Secrets - Maria Wheatley

Maria Wheatley

 [00:00:00] Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New Heights. I'm your host Kara Goodwin, and today's episode is truly extraordinary. If you've ever been drawn to places like Stonehenge or Avebury, or felt the mysterious pulse of sacred sites, this conversation will absolutely light you up.

I'm joined by Maria Wheatley, an internationally recognized expert in dowsing earth energies and the hidden wisdom of the ancients.

She lives near Stonehenge, surrounded by chalk horses carved into the hills and ancient energy lines that speak to the soul.

In this conversation, Maria shares jaw dropping revelations. Like the healing frequencies emitted by standing stones, how specific earth currents run beneath our homes and can either nourish or drain us. And the real story [00:01:00] behind elongated skull beings who may have been priestesses and wisdom keepers from a forgotten civilization.

We also explore what ancient sites like Malta and Chaco Canyon were really built for, and it's far deeper and more multidimensional than most people realize.

Maria Wheatley is a second generation dowser author and one of the UK's foremost experts on earth energies, lay lines, and ancient wisdom traditions. she's the director of the Avebury School of Esoteric Studies and has authored several books on dowsing earth energies and Past life recall. Her work explores how we can interact with the land to access healing, expanded consciousness, and deep spiritual insight.

You can learn more about her work@theaveburyexperience.co.uk. this episode is a profound invitation to remember how alive and intelligent the earth truly is, and how our ancestors knew how to work with these [00:02:00] natural forces to raise consciousness, promote healing, and deepen connection with a cosmos.

and before we dive into this episode, I want to invite you to explore the beautiful array of resources waiting for you@karagoodwin.com. From my book, your Authentic Awakening to Powerful Free Meditations, my Learn to Meditate course, and even personalized guided meditations crafted just for you.

There's something there to support you no matter where you are on your spiritual path. You can also sign up for my upcoming summits and workshops to connect with like-hearted souls and expand your consciousness in real time. And now, enjoy this episode. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, thank you Maria, so much for being here. I'm really excited to have you on the soul elevation. 

Maria Wheatley: Yes. Well, thanks for having me. It's great to be here. 

Kara Goodwin: And tell us before we get started, we were just talking before we started recording about where you're joining us from, which I find [00:03:00] fascinating. 

Maria Wheatley: Yes.

I am in the middle of a megalithic capital. I'm about 40 minutes from Stonehenge at these no introduction, and I'm about 20 minutes from the world's largest stone circle called Avery Henge. And I live in a 12th century market town. I feel truly blessed. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow, that you, you are blessed. That's amazing. I was also sharing that the first time I went to England back in, I think it was 2001.

Um, I, one of the first things I did was go to Stonehenge and Avery and, uh, and I didn't really know why I hadn't had my spiritual awakening yet. That was many years to come. But, um, I mean, I, of course I'd heard about Stonehenge from the time I was young, but, um, Avery was brand new to me, and, and nobody was there.

I mean, it was just like, there's no ticket booth. You just, it's just there. And there's a chalk horse, like a big chalk [00:04:00] horse on the, on a hill. Is that nearby? 

Maria Wheatley: Yes, we have several white horses to, uh, carved into the hillside because just below the grass in the county in which these places are, you have chalk bedrock, so you can easily carve the hillside and chalk would be exposed.

So there's several in Wilshire, but the most famous is called Uffington White Horse. And that's in Oxfordshire, not too far away. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm. And those, are they, those they know who created those or are those mysterious as well? 

Maria Wheatley: One is mysterious. It's, uh, probably being carved in the late bronze age. So that's, you know, a hundreds and well wives about 2000 or so years ago, thereabouts.

Could be even older. The other white horses, we know who and when calf them because they're about 200 years old. So you've got one about 2000 years old and some that are 200. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, those are also just amazing [00:05:00] because they, you see them from a distance and you can see what they are, but it's hard to imagine like being up close and actually creating them because you don't have the perspective to, you know, when you're up close to something, it's hard to have that perspective of what you're making as you're making it.

So it's really amazing. Well, I'd love to start by talking about your fascinating work as a dowser. Please explain, let's start with what Dowsing is and how it became a central theme to your work. 

Maria Wheatley: Well, a lot of people associate dowsing with water divine in finding wells and finding underground streams, and that is true.

I use dowsing to find invisible earth energies that underpin the design of ancient sides, whether that's the pyramids of Egypt or Stonehenge. And I also use Dowson to create a relationship between myself, the sacred sight, and the Earth mother, because [00:06:00] at the end of the day, the earth energies are an expression of her.

Think of them as veins or arteries and lines and very sacred patterns that spiral in shape or circular. That's what I look for at ancient sites. These. It's like a language of mother Earth because some are some energy patterns that she admits are healing. Some are soothing and calming and relaxing, and others are quite energetic.

So I think the, the ancient priesthood knew where these energies were and placed certain stones or structures and constructs above them so they could utilize the energy emissions. And that's where dowsing comes in. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm, okay. And so are you using for the physical act of dowsing, are you using like the copper rods?

Maria Wheatley: Well, to be honest, I'm so familiar with the energies now that I, I don't really need dousing rods, but everybody expects me to hold [00:07:00] dousing rods, and that's what I teach. So, uh, it's, it's good to have it as a backup as well to, you know, do reference too. So, yes, I do use copper rods, but I can just use my hands and my, my body and relate to gaia's energy patterns that way, because I've had a 35 year relationship with Gaia now, so I'm very familiar with the good energies and the not so good energies that she emits and utiliz them.

Like I said, if the ancients were doing this like at places at Stonehenge and you've been there and you've been to Avery, and you can feel the energy as you are walking around the. Sight. It's literally that strong. And that's where I think, well, if the ancients were utilizing that because some are so beautiful and healing, especially the megalithic energy, the the energy emissions standing stones emit, then we can utilize that in our homes.

So for example, I've got a female earth current in [00:08:00] my home and that's my relaxation zone. Avery has a huge female earth current called Mary and many other smaller female currents besides. So that's what I mean. I look to the ancient past and think, how can I teach my students to utilize this energy in their own homes, offices, and workspaces?

Kara Goodwin: So you have talked, you have said that you are near these monolithic sites and these ancient sites. So is that why there's that female earth energy in your space because you're in this hub of the energy, or are these everywhere? 

Maria Wheatley: Absolutely Cara, you've hit the nail on the head there. Yes, they're everywhere.

They interlace the planet. Okay. They're not gonna be as big as you get at Stone Henge or Avery. You know, they could be up to 40 feet wide, but in all probability, you could have them in your home or your [00:09:00] backyard, or your garden, as we say, over here to be two feet, three feet wide, realistically. So, yes, you can find these energies everywhere, and I see them as a gift from Gaia.

So if we have an overactive child, for example, you know, just to put it into what we can do with these energies, well then that's a great place for 'em to relax. Calm down and be soothed. And we can also meditate, uh, above that, use divination, be that rone stone's tarot. It tunes us in to that kind of divine feminine side as well.

So I see earth energies as being a part of my daily life, not just go into a, because I know Cara, not everybody, you're blessed that you've been, but not everybody can go to these sites. So how can we utilize what the ancients were doing in our modern day, every day life? 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. And so what does, what is it like for you when you're tuning [00:10:00] in, so tuning into this feminine energy in your home?

Are you feeling like a tingle? Do you feel a rush? Do you feel like, how is it, how do you divine it? Compared to the rest of your home. 

Maria Wheatley: Absolutely. That's a wonderful, uh, question and one that many of my students ask as well. So that's, uh, perfect. Well, when I first started dowsing, I would use my copper dowsing words that we said earlier to find the earth current.

Then you kind of stand on it, interact with it. How does it make me feel? What kind of earth energy signature do I get from this particular energy? And in all probability, if you have that feeling further on down the line, so to speak, you will find an earth current. But even with dous syndromes, it's very, very simple to find earth energy currents be that male.

Female or hermaphrodite. Some contain both. And they have that [00:11:00] perfect balance. And like I said, some are for healing, relaxation divination that the list could go on, uh, a little bit, but that's how we can find it easily with copper rods. Then identify how it makes my body feel and then go out and find them with or without rods.

Kara Goodwin: Mm, beautiful. Well, I have a place in my backyard and I have a tiny backyard, but I have a dog that will run, um, the infinity symbol. She'll do like this long figure eight. She just gets really excited and then, and, but it's hysterical to me to watch her do this Figure eight, this infinity. And I wonder if, is that any sort of a, do, do animals perceive these, do they do any signs of like, could that be that she's tuning into some sort of energy there?

Maria Wheatley: Absolutely. Dogs, uh, love positive earth energies. They really do. Cats, on the other [00:12:00] hand, shy away from them. They like toxic geo pathic stress. That means negative earth energy in a nutshell. Okay? That's osteopathic stress. Horses and animals like cattle and sheep, they will follow what's called track lines in the landscape.

And so yes, they're utiliz earth energies because we see in fields where sheep have walked or where old pensioner horses stand that is going to be good and earth energy, just like what your wonderful dog spinning out the infinity symbol. She's probably attracted to some really good earth energy there.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Now it's curious that you say that cats are attracted to the negative energy. What do you make of that? 

Maria Wheatley: Well, it's be, well, it's been well known rather ever since. A doctor called Dr. Kathy Bachelor researched 11,000 homes across Europe for geo pathic [00:13:00] stress and what she concluded alongside other doctors, I'm talking MDs alongside other doctors, I'm talking MDs that used dowsing to see where safe places were to sleep and to work because there are toxic earth energy grids.

Uh, ones called the curry net. An underground water that is called groundwater, that's water that's fallen from the sky and replenishes the underground streams. That's what cats are attracted to, that type of negative earth energy. And for us to sleep above or to work above, you know, if you've got your laptop in the same place hour after hour, then that can induce particular illnesses and disease within us.

And that's what she discovered. And she was the world's best. And I followed in her footsteps. When I house heal or do remote dousing for people just to check that they're in a safe place because there are osteopathic stress [00:14:00] symptoms, you would be grinding your teeth, waking up, feeling fatigued and and other symptoms beside.

And she cataloged all of these. And remarkably, she also discovered that where children were placed, if they were on the curry grid or the curry net as it's often called, they wouldn't be able to retain. The facts about the lesson, they wouldn't be able to concentrate on the lesson. So really, we're interacting with gaia's energies all of the time, but some are geo pathic stress, and that's what cats, uh, and ants and bacteria and parasitic, uh, plants are attracted to.

Kara Goodwin: How interesting. Wow. Well, it makes me wonder if the cats are doing some sort of work, like when they pur, if they're at that site or. I don't know. That's really interesting. 

Maria Wheatley: Well, it's where a cat will go by itself. So if you've got a cat at home and obviously it's bouncing up on your, your lap or fussing, that's not going to be [00:15:00] anything to be concerned about.

Certain trees, like particular types of earth energy, for example. So if you are out in the countryside and you see an old yew tree in England, or hemlock tree in the US or eucalyptus tree in Australia, then that's going to be a very healing source of earth energy. I've measured that. It's a beautiful frequency.

So trees, I could decode the landscape without doubting just by looking at how animals behave, what sort of trees and shrubs and berries or fruit trees are growing nearby because all of that likes particular earth energies. Now let's. Put that in the modern world. Okay. The ancients newness, and it's sort of being widely documented by doctors across Europe.

We can start planning how to do our gardens with earth energy. Do you see what I mean? It's not just about kind of living in harmony with, uh, the, the earth [00:16:00] energies. It's about neutralizing them to grow food above so that we don't have to use harmful chemicals that are toxic really to go. And nobody really wants to use nitrogen or Monsanto.

I wouldn't have thought, except those that sell them. And again, we could utilize all of this information and live in harmony with the earth. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh wow. Well. Talk about the intelligence of the energy, because I think it can be easy to think about it like, we're dousing, we're just kind of finding this, um, this energy that's just always there.

But when you're talking, I'm perceiving like a communication, not just that you're picking up on this dumb current, you know, and, but that it's talking back to you and it's seeking you out and it wants to have a dialogue. But maybe I'm just projecting. Do you, like, how do you perceive it? Is it, is it more of a dialogue or do you feel that you're just reading it or?[00:17:00] 

Does that even make sense? It 

Maria Wheatley: makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. And I know that I'm talking to someone really aware when you are asking questions like this, it's beautiful. Yes, it's about a relationship. It's about, say we talked about female earth current. It's my relationship to that aspect of Gaia.

And it's a bit like getting to know a friend. There's gonna have to be trust involved, you know? So the first time you interact with earth energy, especially if it's very, very deep yin water, that's water born within the earth, independent of rainfall. I coined that phrase about 20 or so years ago, that deep, deep, deep underground water that is very, very pure has a memory.

It's like the Akashic record of place. So when we interact with these particular types of earth energies that are water based, very, very deep, you wouldn't well bore it. It would not be, uh, [00:18:00] viable, but it will remember you. And water calls to water, just like a spring goes to the sea, eventually through a river, to the mouth, to the sea.

Water inside of Gaia will seek out other water. So when you introduce yourself to that consciousness, the earth will re remember you. So make it a really beautiful experience. The first time that you introduce yourself to water energies or earth energies. And then just like getting to know a friend, they trust you.

And then once they trust you and they know that you come in peace from the heart mind or from whatever beautiful part of your aspect self that is, then that is a beautiful relationship where GA will start communicating, you know, to you. And that can be quite profound, you know, and it can be very healing.

And also with the underground, uh, yin water that in that water that is really very beautiful.[00:19:00] 

It's very, very healing. And what are we we're contained of water. And so I've worked with that type of water for many years in the sense of let's cleanse my body water from inside out. And that also replenishes our body water by interacting with gaas in our waters so we can use earth energies as well and work with them hand in hand and heart to heart to heal ourselves from the inside out.

So Earth energies have many applications. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm. Oh, that's beautiful. Now, you talked about where you are geographically located as we're recording this, um, near Avebury and, and not far from Stonehenge. And you've done extensive research at these sites and other sites around the, the planet. Uh, these sites are for many people, shrouded in mystery.

What has your research revealed to you in terms of their [00:20:00] purpose in the, in antiquity and, and now, um, what have you found? I. 

Maria Wheatley: What I, I discovered was with places like Stonehenge and Avery, they've, they're built in different phases. So we, we think of Stonehenge and we all have that iconic image in mind, don't we?

The lintels, and it's, it's iconic and needs no introduction. But the first phase of Stonehenge was very different. Like the first phase of Avery was just stone settings. No stone circles. So if we went to Stonehenge phase one, you'd have a massive chalk bank, literally like a wall. I always say imagine a circular wall, and inside of which you have 56 blue stones that were imported from Wales.

That was a lunar. Stone circle because it faces lunar alignments. It could reflect the light of the moon that targeted particular [00:21:00] stones in like a very subtle light beam. So that was used at night and because it's a lunar stone circle, probably by the priesthood, would've led the ceremonies at places like Stonehenge.

And what I also discovered was they had elongated long skulls. They were a long skulled, long lost civilization. And I found what I believe is the Stonehenge queen who had a very extended, uh, skull going out this way, uh, so to speak. And I believe that these people constructed the first phases of which were used by the priestess hood, and then later they became, uh, aligned to the sun, which became associated to the masculine.

And so we have, uh, moon feminine in its threefold aspect, and we have solar, which is more masculine. And these monuments were changed. They were changed from the predominance of lunar [00:22:00] sightings to solar. So I perceive an ancient culture that was used in Stonehenge for many different things, divination, for example, and for healing because the stones do emit healing sound frequency that I've discovered recently.

So they're multifaceted places that can be adapted for many different types of ceremonies for many different types of things, from healing to divination, depending on where you are. In the monument, and our ancient ancestors knew exactly what the stones were emitting. They knew exactly the healing places.

And just like acupuncture, they would put a stone, like a needle into that meridian line and that draws the energy up. And that's what standing stones do. They enhance and transmute earth energy. So put a standing stone into earth energy, it starts to transmute it. [00:23:00] And uh, it has emissions that we have recorded so it can change earth energy to aerial energy that goes across the ancient site of which I have recorded on numerous occasions.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. So when you talk about it changing, transforming from a lunar to a solar, um, you know, temple for lack of a better term, um, do you think that that's related to the changes of the planet? So how the planet goes in cycles and the, and then, so then the constellations change and the sky, you know, kind of changes thousands of years upon thousands of years, or do you see that more as like the patriarchy coming in?

Maria Wheatley: Both, uh, in a way because yes, this background of the stars moves about one degree every 72 years. So over a prolonged period of time with the procession of the equinoxes, you're going to get [00:24:00] very different, um, constellations of particular points, uh, in the, uh, ecliptic plane. So I think, yes, I think that would've definitely, uh, enhanced places like Stonehenge because what I did discover at Stonehenge, at the Zener for phase one, I've just been talking about phase one at 56 Blue Stones in a very wide stone circle at the center of that, at the spring equinox at midnight.

And I believe that these temples were used at night 'cause they were looking at the moon in particular positions. There was a constellation there called Corona. Borealis and to the ancient Celts, that's a Greek name from like Aries tourists, that's all Greek derived. And if we go to Corona Borealis, Celtic name, that was a goddess Anneal.

So they were looking up at the Zenni at the spring, Equinox at Anneal, and she is the goddess of reincarnation. So we could [00:25:00] say that part of the temple could have been associated with reincarnation. And I was Dolores Cannon's guide for many years, and she was a very famous, uh, regression therapist. I remember having these discussions with, uh, Dolores, and she was saying, yes, that's amazing that that's, uh, been a discovery.

So yes, that's gone now. Do that, that star constellation has uh, gone. But to your next question, uh, um, that you, you remarked upon. Yes. I think it turned to a very masculine, patriarchal society, uh, you know, ruled by men. And we know this because the men in the bronze Age, that's four and a half thousand years ago, that were being buried around Stonehenge.

In round Barrows for example, the prestigious burials were often for males. I mean, there were some very prestigious females that said, but it was, uh, predominantly male. And that's when they widened the avenue. Imagine them. That [00:26:00] wall that I said went round, that Hege bank that went round, they widened it because it was a lunar site and they made it wider so it would align with the sun and the midsummer sunrise.

And that's what Stonehenge is famous for today. But it was preceding that it was a lunar marker stone, the heel stone that marked this, uh, rise of the moon every nine years. But today people don't know that they go there at the weekend, they'd be there in the thousands. That's what people will be doing at the solstice, uh, Friday, Saturday over the weekend.

Uh, as well, they'll be watching that sunrise. But originally it was more accurate lunar rise. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Well talk more about the elongated schools because you've made some fantastic discoveries about these elongated schools. What is the significance? And then, you know, we don't even see this in, um, mainstream.

You know, we don't have mainstream knowledge about that this even [00:27:00] existed. So maybe even taking a step back about explaining more of what do you mean by these elongated skulls? 

Maria Wheatley: Sure. I mean, I came across the elongated skulls of Stonehenge about 10 years ago, so I've had a long study of them and learned far, far more of late.

And I went to Cambridge University because I was studying at, uh, Oxford at the time in a Kas point system for a degree, as it's called over here, and photographed the, the skull for evidence. 'cause I knew if I started talking about elongated skulls with no evidence, people would go, oh yeah. You know, really?

Uh, so yeah. So that was my first, uh, introduction. And it, it was a woman and it was a woman from Stonehenge and I felt very privileged to be around this skull. And, uh. As my journey through the elongated skull history, the long lost history of these incredible people that erected the first [00:28:00] phases of most stone circles and monuments.

They were the ones that first tapped into the lays, first tapped into the, uh, earth energies. So their wisdom is immense. I realized that they had naturally. Elongated skulls. So they were natural. And I photographed many of those, uh, in my book and my books. And then I realized that some the elites, and let's say the elite were the queens and the kings, the ruling class, the high priestesses and the high priests, for example, they extended their skulls.

So they use cranial defamation to extend them and make them look longer, make them look more pronounced. And we know that they did that because if you do do any manipulation to your skull whatsoever, okay? And you are especially making it longer, you have two scars down here. They're, they're quite prominent is where probably a board went, uh, either side as a common [00:29:00] practice amongst ancient people, then yes, that's what they were doing when I first discovered them.

I just had the skull. I was just photographing skulls. And then after lockdown, for example, and, and during that period as well, I started to investigate the femur bones. Once you have a femur bone, that's your long bone in your leg. Once you have that, you can estimate the height and the height of these people were only women about four feet, nine and men about five feet four, uh, very similar to Queen Nefertiti of Egyptian fame, for example.

And then studying their skulls closer revealed that their ears were set further back. So this is quite a small, uh, civilization with their skulls extended and long anyway with their ears set back. And so I likened them, weren't they? The myth of the fame, the myth of the fairy folk, for example. And then [00:30:00] I, when I read some of the ancient manuscripts of the two Arthur de Nan from Ireland, they had a battle.

These fairy folk, they had a, had a battle and then they descended into the mounds. Well, where do we fi find the long skulls in long barrows, which are mounds? So I think some of the legends, some of the holy history as I call it, the recorded the Faye and the Giants, because they were very tall people as well.

But it wasn't just tall people around at the same time, you had this more mythical looking race. So I think some of the history coming through stems from that time kind of recalling a, a lost mythical race that is no longer. Amid us here today. So I think there are some things in fairytales and legends that have a grain of truth that needs investigated.

Kara Goodwin: [00:31:00] Wow, that is fascinating. So amazing. Now it stands to reason that your personal past life, you talk about reincarnation with this reincarnation stone, and funnily enough, my next question on the list was about if you, if there's anything that you wanna share about what you sense with your personal past life connections with these sites, because you have, you've done so much work, you have so much knowledge with these sites.

I wonder if anything has come to you in terms of your own reincarnation history to do with these sites. 

Maria Wheatley: Again, it was a, a blessing working with women, you know, uh, such as Delores Cannon and others besides, you know, inspirational. I look back and think, how lucky have I been in, uh, in my career and God love their wisdom that still is here today guiding people.

Uh, for me, I've had, [00:32:00] you know, uh, a few past lives, uh, in this area and in ancient Egypt, uh, as well, but one that really does stand out. You know, we all have that kind of understanding that there's deja vu out there. You can go somewhere and know the place, and feel the place and understand where to go.

Well, where Stonehenge is, is up on a place called the Salisbury plane, and the Salisbury plane is likened to your area 51. It's a no-go place for civilians, and it's where the military of defense. Uh, have the army bases. Okay. It is, like I say, it's a bit like your, uh, department of Defense, uh, so to speak.

And when I was on the SBE playing once where stone henges, the mythical looking, long scaled people, I did have that dejavu. I, I thought this is, it was really strange. I felt like it was my land. I had been here, I knew where lost sights were. I could turn the [00:33:00] corner and know, or look over the plane as one is, uh, Dr driving along and understand the, the landscape.

And that led me to find lost aspects of Stonehenge. So I've always used a very practical side of my nature, uh, and I've always used, uh, archeology as well. And I can com I can combine rather the kind of mystical with the practical, the left and the right brain together. And that's how I try to investigate ancient sites, but also through my heart, you know, where I feel guided to go and by the women of the past that I believe guide me.

Because when I first met the long skull woman of Stonehenge Cambridge University, it's very. Emotional to be around someone that is five and a half thousand years old that looks different to, to you and I. And I remember the creator had left and I gently put my hands near to her [00:34:00] throat chakra and said that I would be your voice for your long lost people.

And then I gently put my hand close to the third eye and said, show me I will be your seer for, for your people. I will show people. And then I've always said for interviews that when I put my hand over her extended skull, it was like two pulse points for her crown chakra. So perhaps they had two crown chakras.

Uh, at the end of the day, I just wanted to be her voice. Yeah, for her people that had this lost and magical history that nobody else was talking about. And I always find it very poignant that a woman from the past connected to a woman of today because I believe that she guide guided me to do my books, to show me places I'd never have gone that I was guided to go to.

And still today, I believe, guides me. And even though her [00:35:00] very long barrow, that's where she was interned, put a place to rest is on the edge of the Salisbury plane. Whenever I can, I go there to, to honor her and her people. Hmm, 

Kara Goodwin: that's beautiful. And I wanna talk about the long boroughs, but really quickly, is this the woman whose skull was in the Cambridge like research library, but in just in like locked in a cabinet or something?

Is this the same? 

Maria Wheatley: Yeah, they're in cardboard boxes. Okay. I mean, you, you think that you're talking about Cambridge University World famous for being one of the leading universities in the world and yes, you are in a controlled environment in temperature density and moisture density. It's a very modern unit, but it's still, at the end of the day, there're in cardboard boxes.

And I actually don't think that, uh, Cambridge realizes what they've got in their collection because when I looked at the ticket to see the last time that skull had been viewed, I was shocked to think [00:36:00] it was in the 1930s so that she hadn't been seen until I requested that could I, you know, literally have.

Time with this, with this, uh, ancient being. Uh, so yes. So I, I don't think they know what they've got. And opposite the Stonehenge section on one side of the wall was the, um, abido Egyptian skulls. And if they hadn't been seeing if the skull I looked at hadn't been seen since the 1930s, when were these last seen?

So, you know, sometimes I think there's a little bit of conspiracy into it. And sometimes I think there's lack of human resources to catalog and re reinvestigate 

these skulls. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. That is so fascinating. Well, let's talk about the long burs that you found, um, the mounds and the long burs. What is the significance?

Because I know that the kind of common understanding [00:37:00] is that these were burial sites, but I know that you have found something different, so please share. 

Maria Wheatley: Yes. Well, for those, uh, viewers and listeners that don't know what a longrow is, if you imagine that some have megalithic chambers that you can enter a little bit like caves or, uh, an internal megalithic room for, for want of a better explanation, and then it's all earth.

So they're long in shape, they're elongated in shape, and you can enter some of them. And that's what is a kind of healing aspect in the land because some of those chambers, those rooms, in other words, they were set above spiral healing of energy patterns. And it's also been noted by other researchers that they have strong acoustic properties.

Well, so they have more than, uh, one thing going on, so to speak, and they, after that was like their phase [00:38:00] one. Think of them as temples. Think of them as shrines. Think about them as healing places. And I've taken, I wouldn't like to count Kara. I've taken hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people inside, numerous long barrels, and everybody feels a sense of calm.

Some feel healing, some hear, hear voices. It heightens your perception as well, and kind of like gently opens the the third eye. So I see them as being far more than burial. That was their first phase in the ancient world. Everything had its phases. And then after that they became used for burial deposits.

Normally the skull, the long bones, and sometimes a whole body. But if we go back to their original purpose, then they would definitely be acoustic healing centers. And some of them were aligned to stars as well. So you'd have like the ade, some aligned [00:39:00] to ous nu There's many different constellations that have been recorded by REO astronomers, so they, they're star temples as well activated when those stars.

Line to them. For example, I'm gonna take you to island now. Islands are a wonderful place, and we're not far from a town called Sligo on the west coast of island. And on top of a hill, you have what they call cans. We would call them barrows. And they're round and they're very quartz like on the inside, and they're in a W shape across the top of this large hill or mountain.

And every winter solstice, when it was in full alignment, those chambers would align to Cassio P, the constellation of Cassio Pierre. All of those cans in that W shape being activated by Cassie P. And if we look to [00:40:00] the Celtic equivalent of Cassia P again, it's, we've got a Greek zodiac that we've inherited, and if we make that a Celtic, uh, zodiac, then Cassia p equates to the Great Earth goddess, Dawn.

So the winter solstice, all of those star chambers have that starlight enter into them. So, uh, again, they're star chambers. They're healing chambers, they're acoustic chambers, they're multifaceted, depending on how we would like to work with them. But ultimately, the most of them are feminate. They're aligned to the moon or to stones.

Kara Goodwin: Oh wow. Well, it makes me think too, like in Egypt how they, there's a theory about the, the initiation that they were initiation temples or that was part of the use and that, um, initiates would start at one and then slowly graduate to the next one and the next one. And it was to do [00:41:00] with, um, adapting their frequency.

It makes me think that that might be a possibility maybe too, with these 

Maria Wheatley: Absolutely. That's what I mean about being multifaceted. Mm-hmm. They're, they're not being used, uh, for one thing at one time of the year. So if we look to initiation the time when you want to have them as. A learning place, for example.

Then particular times of the year, they have a different energy and a different frequency. So if we went to, uh, long barrel at the winter solstice, it might have a completely different energy. Then it's opposite at the summer. Solstice and what I've noticed about standing stones, because a lot of them are megalithic, Egyptian temples have large pillars for, for example, then those standing stones, I put my finger up and say, that's a, a standing stone.

If you imagine that they ripple out concentric circles, a bit like when you throw a pebble into water, you see [00:42:00] those concentric circles, don't you, of water ripples. That's what standing stones do. They give off these ripples in the landscape or a column might do, uh, one or two columns in a temple might do that.

Each one of those ripples I've measured in terms of sound frequency and they have different frequencies. So if you are on one frequency of a standing stone, that could be 1 3, 3 hertz. I've recorded, well, some people would say that's very good for the throat, for throat chakra. Is it there that they stood upon to, to speak to the congregation, to the people of the participants?

Could it heal that, that area? And then if we're on another type of energy, for example, it can peak around 2, 3 8 hertz, which is a, which is a healing frequency. And I've, I've looked and measured these different frequencies. So I [00:43:00] think where the initiate stood, I'm gonna take it even deeper now, rather than just being in the temple for initiation, where you stand.

That temple can activate particular qualities within your consciousness. I have proved by the ripples of the standing stone. So again, it's kind of looking at a place and then going deeper and deeper. And as a modern day woman living in a modern day world, but entering ancestral sites, I know Cara we're on catchup to what the.

Okay, so it's, um, I don't ever think one author has all the answers anyway, and we kind of all write our chapters and together we're making one giant book and hope, hopefully an encyclopedia for, for people to, to read. So yes, I'm really looking at sites much deeper now, and saying where you are in a site will definitely influence your consciousness.

And one frequency [00:44:00] emitted by one of those ripples I described can actually encourage, uh, damaged DNA to be repaired, that sit to healing frequency. So going from the sound to speaking to healing. Do you see what I mean? Yeah. It's, that's what the ancients knew. They were so, so advanced in their temples that it wasn't just going from one temple to another.

It was where you were in that temple, I would argue. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. That makes so much sense, and it's fascinating and you talk about how. They're, you know, depending on what time of the year that you're there too, that it's a totally different energy. Um, is it correct also that depending on the time of the day, like do they kind of sleep these sites?

Like is the energy lower at night and more amplified at dawn? Have you found anything like that? 

Maria Wheatley: Yeah, that's a, that's a great question actually, because yes, when we factor in what the ancients spoke about in terms of [00:45:00] planetary hours, for instance, they wrote them down and said, you know, on Sunday the first hour of sunlight is dedicated to the sun, and so on and so forth.

You go, they're called planetary hours. And, and people interested can Google that in their, their own time. So yes, when everything comes into sync, so let's, for example, say for example, we've got anar orientated. Temple. Yeah. And a stone happens to be in that path. That's an alignment. Okay. And then we go there on Monday Moon, in the first hour of the moon, we coming into sync with everything.

Do you see what I mean? It's sympathetic magic. That's what that's called. And we can synchronize to that to enhance the experience even more. But even if I went on a Sunday and I'm not in a planetary hour and I'm enjoying that space, I'm gonna get something from that. Anyway. Okay. That's what we, we've recorded.

But I think if you are like the magicians of [00:46:00] old and the priesthood of old, they would've been looking deeper and deeper and deeper into several different aspects of how to experience energies at particular times in the day, particular times of the year when the veil between this world and the next is finished, like we're coming up to the summer solstice.

That's a day when the veil is be getting quite thin between this world and the next. And then we have three days after the solstice, we have Midsummers day and quite a few people get that confused. They, they call the summer solstice midsummers day. It's actually three days later. Uh, when the, the sun starts to move down, it's reached its most northly.

Three days later it will start to move south and, you know, draw in autumn and draw in winter. So yes, I think all of the sites were aligned to harness that particular type of energy for sure. So it could be sun, moon, star, [00:47:00] earth, energy, weave all that together in your cauldron of wisdom, and you've got a mighty formula.

Kara Goodwin: Wow, it's so multi. I mean, it even puts like multidimensionality like in a different frame of reference. It's like, it's so genius and like you, the point you made about this was an antiquity and we, from a mainstream perspective, we tend to think like we've just gotten more technologically advanced and smarter.

And like you say, it's like we are playing catch up and, and it's, it feels like it's gonna take us a long time to be able to really understand just how much was going on. I mean, even in this one hour that we've been talking. So much has been revealed about what is, what really is happening on so many different levels.

Like you say, the, the sound aspect, the chakra aspect, the frequency aspect, the DNA, all of this, the, the stars, the moon, the sun, the [00:48:00] time of year, the time of day. You know, it just keeps going. It's like, what does it not? It's, that might be the better question. What, what can we. Say is not, you know, involved in these sites, what have they not taken into account?

Because it just seems like they've taken into account everything in the natural world. You know, I 

Maria Wheatley: think they, I think they have. I, I really do because they have, I did a course the other day with the UK's top sacred geometries because we don't have time to go into that now. But I've done all the sacred geometry of Stonehenge and even the angle of the stones that equate to maths and music and sound, uh, for example.

So yes, they've got sacred geometry. Let's put another layer on, on top, right? They've got sacred, sacred geometry. The angle of the stones mean something, you know, where we are in the monument means something. So what I admire so much about the ancestors, they were master doers, master [00:49:00] astronomers, master mathematics, and the list goes on.

Geos, uh, all of that they created, fought for themselves. And for us today, because we're still experiencing these sites, this is their legacy that we are interacting with. It is their original temple. So as a, as a druid, when I go to an ancient site, I always ask the spirit of place for permission to enter the guardian of place, permission to enter, and the ancestors old.

And I think, you know, even if you just go in there radiating love, happiness, joy, the site will accept you. Hmm. And that's what I think, as long as we go into an ancient site with love and an open mind and that wonder. What is the monument gonna reveal? Because even though I've written books about Avery, and I write one about Egypt at the moment, and Stonehenge, one thing I do know Cara, [00:50:00] is they still have their secrets old.

They still have their mysteries old, and they cherry pick, I believe, who they're gonna communicate to. And you could be in Ohio, you could be where I'm, if an ancient side and the ancestors reach out, they reach out to those with the ears that want to listen and to the heart that wants to hold their space.

And we call the past through their words. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's so beautiful. Wow. Well, let's talk about Malta because I know that there are a lot of tunnels in Malta. I've been in one of the tunnels in Malta, which when I went we, I had a, I think we had a guided tour into. This, it went on forever. And they said, or whatever, whether it was, uh, written now, I can't even remember if it was a written document that I was reading or if it was a, I think it was a guided tour.

They were saying it was constructed for World War II [00:51:00] protection. And I was like, how is that possible? How did they create this in that short of a time? Because it was so, it just went on forever and, mm-hmm. Uh, um, so I wonder if that's not accurate, but what, what are you interested in, Malta? What can you tell us about the, the ancient sites there?

Maria Wheatley: Malta is absolutely incredible. It's very small island, about 12 miles by 12 miles with another island called Gozo at the top. 

Kara Goodwin: That's where I stayed. Gozo. 

Maria Wheatley: Oh, Gozo is absolutely beautiful. It's like old Malta. Uh, it really is. And all of the ancient sites there, all of the ancient sites there are dedicated to the goddess.

And the goddess is portrayed as being very tu there. She's got big childbearing, hips and, and usually very large breasts as well. And she dominates, uh, temples and in old Maltese language that is old Maltese language. There was no word for [00:52:00] father. It was all. Goddess energy. So what I love about Malta is you're going to these ancient sites, temp temples, that as a woman of today, for example, it's like, uh, talking about initiation earlier.

It's like initiation into the divine feminine. And for men alike. Yeah, I'm not just saying, you know, it's kind of a woman, uh, temple by, by no stretch of the imagination. So yes, you have these wonderful temples, but my favorite temple is called the Hyper G, and you are talking about tunnels. Cara, the Hyper G was carved out of the solid limestone bedrock with exquisite carbon.

Google this listeners and viewers, because the carn is exquisite and it's on three levels going down. So it's uh, down a couple of stories into the chalk bedrock with chambers, rooms that we call them chambers as archeologists, I'm gonna say rooms. It keeps, its, uh, simple and gets the visualization going better.

So there's all these rooms on different [00:53:00] levels, one of which is called the Oracle Chamber. And if I were in the Oracle chamber, and let's say I said. Maria, it would echo in every single room. Maria? Maria. Maria. Really? Maria? Maria, Maria throughout this underground sensory deprivation temple. Okay. Wow. So that's, that's my favorite place.

And I'll be leading a tour there on September the 16th to 22nd. And it's a budget tool making it, uh, affordable to most people. Okay. It's probably gonna be the last budget tool that I do. But more than that as well. You are mentioning about underground complexes. If we just call it a complex rather than a tunnel system, then I think if the ancients could carve that temple Yeah, and have it sound resonance throughout, then that isn't the only one.

And what I suggest. That your tour guide or, or pamphlet or, or guidebook, whatever you got that information from. And I've been into some of [00:54:00] the tunnel system, but I don't want to say it's the same one as you because I think there's, there's several, so to speak then I think they were reused. Now if, if you are going to, you know, the second World War, tragic time, fearful time, Walter was, you know, in oc occupation, you would want to have defense from the, from the enemy, especially in, in the Mediterranean.

And I think they were reused because in England, London, well not far from London, in a place called uh, Essex, you have chisel Hurst caves. They're a cave system, a natural cave system, but which has been dug out as well in antiquity. That was reused in the second World War as an air raid shelter. But here's the thing that was discovered when they were reusing that particular place, they found that they had miraculous healing.

Because those chambers were above earth energy and it was reported on the wireless in the 1950s that people had these healing experiences. [00:55:00] So a Douser whose legacy archive I've inherited, he went there and doused obviously, and found all of these healing earth energies, feminine healing, earth energy. So what I suggest about the tunnel systems in places in part, is they are healing under earth sanctuaries.

C sensory deprivation to heal your medical conditions or whatever mental conditions, mental health was improved as well, and Chisel Hearst Cave. So again, we're looking at a multifaceted use of tunnel systems from antiquity to healing experiences in the Second World War to being reused in the second World War.

Kara Goodwin: That is so fascinating. If I remember correctly, when I was in Malta too, on the beach, I think there were a lot of caves around there too. Is that correct? 

Maria Wheatley: Yes. 'cause you are in limestone if you are particular [00:56:00] geological areas for, for instance, you are gonna get a lot of caves. Okay. And that's limestone.

And we also have limestone on the Giza plateau of Egyptian fame. And you have cave systems on the Giza plateau as well as in any limestone environment, if you see what what I'm saying. And the ancients would've looked at one cave system and go, okay, the earth energies turn into the right, uh, through that and they put it to the right.

So some of them are following earth currents or earth energies in the landscape. That's their genius. So we could walk in there, think, oh this is. Just a tunnel. Yeah. As they did when they were refugees in the Second World War, losing their houses, living in Chisel, Hurst cave, and then suddenly say, and whoa, my toothache has been healed.

My heart condition is, is getting better. So unbeknown to them, they were in an earth energy enhancement location. 

Kara Goodwin: [00:57:00] Wow. Well, you're also, in addition to Malta this year, next year, you're gonna go to Chaco Canyon, New Mexico. I don't know a lot about Chaco Canyon, but I had a dream a couple of years ago. I. And a friend of mine was in this dream, so I shared the dream with her and I was like, it was this, you know, we were in this rocky, like, kind of cany place, but it wasn't, because I've been to Sedona many times with this friend and I was like, but it wasn't Red Rocks.

They were like yellow, sandy colored rocks. And um, and I described what was happening and there was a portal there, like people, I think somebody disappeared, like, 'cause you cross this threshold. And um, but it was out in the open anyway. Um, and she was like, oh my gosh, I've been meaning to tell you, I watched this documentary on Chaco Canyon and it sounds like what you're saying.

And I'm like, what's Chaco Canyon? So anyway, she and I, because um, she had just seen this documentary and had been wanting to talk to me about it to see what I knew about Chaco Canyon. And then I had this [00:58:00] dream and I didn't know about Chaco Canyon. So we feel called there, but that's really, I don't know a lot about it.

So what, what has drawn you there? 

Maria Wheatley: What drew me there was for instant, I was listening to an archeologist 'cause I've studied archeology at Oxford and Bio, the, uh, uni. And I was listening to a lecture on a place in America. And I love Ancient America because I've been to loads and loads of sites there. I was at America's Stonehenge at last month leading a tour there.

Where's that? America Stone Henge. It's about, oh, 40 minutes from Boston. Fantastic. Fantastic site. Yeah. Yeah, I, I know it sold out because, uh, no, that's why everybody says car. I've never heard of it. Uh, and I'll tell you about that in a moment because it's got an amazing megalithic feature, a akin to the Hyper GM Oracle room.

Okay. But Charco Canyon, I was listening to a lecture and he was talking about [00:59:00] this great North Road. And this great North Road goes way up to Aztec ruins and beyond, that's associated with Charco Canyon. It's beautiful. Goes down. So imagine a great north road that comes down that was all made to look white with white clay.

Yeah. So it would stand out by day or by night. And then the road went, uh, down to the south to, uh, places near Mexico. So you have this massive line. Well, I, my ears, uh, went woo. Yep. You've got a, a lay line coming down, but you're calling it the Great North Road. 'cause it was in part used only in part as a road, what archeologists noticed, it was over-engineered and underused.

So people weren't necessarily walking that all the time. Yeah. It was underused. And then when I looked at these sites, either side, we have the idea in the UK that you have a lay line, straight line, but in, in weaving in and outta that, like a caduceus, like a [01:00:00] stranded, DNA, you have a female current. A male current, that's a lay system.

And Charco Canyon, I discovered, had that. So Charco Canyon is a dhap large building called Pueblo, bonito, meaning beautiful city by the, the Spanish. And it's a dhap. Why a dhap? Where you have that in an earth energy pattern. Precise. Yeah. And it became a template. But Charco Canyon, uh, Pueblo, bonito that building within, uh, charco had up to 800 rooms.

Up to four stories high. It was the largest building before the people started building Chicago Highs, scrappers and Boston Large, um, skyscrapers. So it was one of the tallest buildings in ancient America. Okay. Uh, near, uh, in the ca in New Mexico. But that was just one house. There was 12 great houses. Okay.

That were [01:01:00] like p Pueblo bonito containing hundreds of rooms. Yeah. And it was beautifully. The masonry was absolutely beautiful. Well, 12, you could liken that to the 12 signs of the Zodiac. Uh, you could liken it to, you know, the, the sacred number 12 and all of them associated with lines, solar alignments, lunar alignments, and just north of that I mentioned Aztec ruins.

Aztec Ruins is. Absolutely amazing side, and it's very much like Charco Canyon, Pueblo bonito. But it's got a reconstructed Kiva, and a Kiva means a sacred circular area that is underground, and then it has certain features in it. Then it would have a roof, and you'd enter it through the roof and you'd come down and it's a reconstructed one.

So it shows you how the ancients, the ancestors of the Hopi and Pueblo, uh, peoples [01:02:00] around that area lived. So it's, it was, it is their heritage, but they were not nomadic. They built these permanent structures and they imported turquoise and made fantastic outfits. And some of the shaman there in my research has shown that they had six fingers and six toes because in certain rooms, inch, uh, Pablo Bonita.

You've got ham prints, footprints. So they were probably seen as being, you know, the, the Sears, the prophets of place. So I think part of Pueblo bonito within Charco was about prophecy. Okay. Then you can go all the way down south to Klia, come in Mexico and all of these places are linked. So when we look at Charco Canyon and we see just Charco and the 12 Great houses, but it's on a huge lane that links to the north and to the south alike.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Oh, that's amazing. So you're going there [01:03:00] next year. 

Maria Wheatley: I, I plan to return to Charco because I discovered where the male current goes and the female current. And over here we tend to name them after Gods or saints, you know, like Mary and Michael associated to Ale and others beside Catherine and Peter.

And of course, you can't project that onto an American, uh, landscape. So I thought, you know, I, we went into meditation and I came up with wolf and deer. And when I looked into one interpretation of charco, what does charco mean? One interpretation. There are many, uh, said it was hunting ground. And I think like there, they weave in and out of all of these ancient sites so we can go in the actual buildings and follow the male current throughout the building and look at all of these amazing earth energies that are associated with the kivas, with the.

Particular shapes of stone that you have at Charco, they're [01:04:00] called T doors 'cause they're like a letter T and that is an indication of what sort of energy is found therein. So I was kind of decoding the, the, the architecture as well as the currents and the two began to match. So whenever you see one thing, whether it's further north in Colorado, uh, at Spruce house, uh, that's, uh, another very large pueblo building into a cliff face.

It's a cliff face, um, cliff dwelling house. You see these T doors, you go down to pate in Mexico, you see the tea door. But why are all these cultures using the tea? It marks a particular path of an earth energy flow. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Well, what were you gonna share about the American stone hinge? 

Maria Wheatley: Ah, yes. America Stone Hands.

I was there with a wonderful group of beautiful, beautiful people like, uh, like yourself. It was a pleasure to be there. Okay. Imagine, like I [01:05:00] was talking about earlier, that you have these megalithic stone rooms. Chambers. Okay, so we're gonna go inside one now in America's Stonehenge, and it's called the Oracle room.

And it has a little bit of a, kind of like cutout hole tube section through the stone. Do you see what I mean? So I can see daylight mm-hmm. In a small hole through it. And just beyond that by several meters. Um, yeah. Say about, you know, 15 feet or so, 'cause you use imperial. Uh, then there's this amazing looking mega, it's flat like a table.

It has a carved rim going around it. And I don't agree with this name at all. The, the owners call it the sacrificial table. It has nothing to do with sacrifice. Has a, a beautiful healing earth, energy sighted beneath it. And I found in Wales, in the British Isles, an identical stone to it that was used for healing.

Kara Goodwin: Is that called a [01:06:00] doman or is it different? 

Maria Wheatley: No, it's like a, a, a doman is two stones with one on top or a four supporting stones and one on top? No, it's like a little bit like a stone table. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. 

Maria Wheatley: Literally, but it's carved. And I found an identical healing stone in the British Isles, documented that it was for healing next to a spring.

Well, okay, so that's in Wales. And I thought, well, that looks identical to that one. And people can see my article on my website about America's Stonehenge. Okay. They're the features. You've got the Oracle room and you've got the, I called it the Alta stone, or as they call it, the sacrificial table. Alta Stone is more appropriate.

And if you are in the Oracle room, and again, I'm going Kara, like that through or saying a name or saying healing or sound tone or drumming or what, whatever I want to do, then that sound that I'm making in the oracle room comes up from the, from the altar table. [01:07:00] Comes up through it and that that is normally off grounds to the average, uh, person, but I get private access.

I've got a very good working relationship with the owners of America's Stone. He, you can get access to that private access as well, I believe. I don't want to say that that's a hundred percent correct because I, it may or may not, but it's a really good feature which introduces sound to healing and so I got permission for people to lie on it as a sound tone in and people were saying they were having a, a wonderful experience and it baffles the owner and the archeologist.

Why is there a small well by it when it's right by a kind of swampy area? Because that's what they were doing in Wales. They were taking the water from the well, putting it around the rim and making healing water. And they dedicated in, in Wales [01:08:00] to St. Canna. She was a woman healing saint at that time. But they're identical.

They're literally near enough one and the same. So I think that was the, the healing altar, and I think it was for initiation sound as well at particular times of the year. And there's lots of outlying stones. And in America you have a phenomenon called serpentine walls and some of the serpentine walls can go on for like 2,500 feet.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Around, 

Maria Wheatley: yeah, around America's Stonehenge. But like kudo, the ancient symbol of the snake that has its tail in its mouth. Yeah. We kind of can visualize that. It has that going round. America's Stonehenge. And then you see this carve in like a, a snake's face with the, with the tail in it. And again, it baffled the owners and archeologists.

Why is this one site, uh, slightly away from the main complex of the [01:09:00] oracle room? And I know, uh, I've been taught by master doers worldwide that one place is always outside of the main monument. Why? Because it's where it cleanses your aura, where it cleanses your energy field so you don't take your emotional baggage in the site with you so that you become more perceptive to the energies therein.

And when I dous that there, it was. Apparent that that was a cleansing area. Just like you get a Carac temple just like you get at Catholic churches. 'cause it was a Catholic um, clerk that told me that about one of their secrets of the Catholic churches just like you get at Stonehenge and Avery alike. So yes, it's a many wonders at Charco Canyon and America's Stonehenge.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. It's so fascinating. All of this has just been incredible. [01:10:00] Just fantastic. Thank you so much. Maria. Please tell us how people can find out more about your work and your books and your upcoming projects and events. 

Maria Wheatley: Absolutely. 'cause I'm holding a Stonehenge retreat as well. That's on my website that people might like to join us this, uh, early September and Malta in mid-September.

People can find out more about me by going to the Avebury experience. That's A-V-E-B-U-R-Y, the avery experience.co.uk or go to esoteric college.com. Uh, and that has my email on it. So they're my two websites, the avery experience.co.uk and esoteric college.com. 

Kara Goodwin: Thank you so much, Maria. I'm so honored to have you here today.

Thank you. 

Maria Wheatley: You've been great company and thanks for inviting me. It's been a great show. Thank you. 

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