554. Telepathy Among Non-Verbal People, Energy Coding & Consciousness Science with Melissa Jolly Graves

Melissa Jolly Graves

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Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New Heights. I'm your host Kara Goodwin, and I'm so excited about this amazing episode with Melissa Jolly Graves. Melissa has profound things to share about her telepathic work with Beyond Verbal People with autism. Often they're referred to as nonverbal, but I'm a big fan of her new description as beyond verbal.

Because that really is the truth. She shares the amazing stories she has from her telepathic work with them. She also talks about how she sees energy within and around people and things, and gives fascinating details about how she works with energy, light shapes, and colors in a person's energy to heal them.

Melissa is just a remarkable person all around, and at [00:01:00] the end she even talks about how she's invented a fungi to solve an environmental disaster.

Melissa Jolly Graves is a pioneering nurse scientist, healer, and consciousness researcher whose life's work bridges, science, spirituality, and human resilience. a licensed practical nurse and master teacher in 24 healing modalities. Melissa is the founder of Euphoric Source, . A healing center and research lab recognized for its groundbreaking integration of energy. Work with advanced scientific measurement tools, including EKGs, thermal imaging, blood work, and brain scans. Currently she's collaborating with several beyond verbal Telepaths water researcher Veda Austin, and filmmaker Debra Anderson.

on projects, exploring the consciousness of water, telepathic gifts, and earth. 

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Kara Goodwin: Well, welcome Melissa. I am so excited to have this conversation. It's my first one of 2026, and [00:03:00] yes, so I am, I am really grateful to have you here. You're fascinating. I've had my own session with you, which just blew me away. Um, and I'm, I'm really honored to have you on Soul Elevation.

Thanks for coming on. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here too. 

Kara Goodwin: So, I know that you are a licensed nurse, but I, I'd love to know how you went from that kind of more traditional path into energy healing and the psychic work that you do now. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: well I was

born a seer, so since I was young, I've been able to see energy, angels, demons, uh, things that people would say, you know, psychics could see.

I stay away from the word psychic myself. I use intuitive, uh, or in intuition, but the psychic abilities is what I've had all of my life. And I was born that way. And when I was young, I was told that I was gonna be a healer, [00:04:00] uh, through a series of events, stopped seeing things, and as I got older, had to decide what I was gonna be after I was done.

Raising my kids and well, I raised them up until the point that I put them in school. And then I had to decide what do I do from here? So I decided to be a nurse because I thought that was what healing was. Went into nursing, got my abilities back, and from there really learned the body, learned energy, uh, the physical body, mind, psyche, that kind of thing.

And as a whole, I just saw that the system needed to be better. And so I bowed out in nursing and ended up opening my own metaphysical center where we could offer multiple, uh, healing sessions in multiple different ways that we're. Tailored to each person. And from there it just expanded. I saw the abilities, I saw what it was doing for people and [00:05:00] quit nursing and went from there.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Well, you are really interesting in terms of like how you see energy and how you perceive, and I, I have heard more of your backstory than you shared with us today where, you know, there, gosh, there's so much there in terms of how they turned on, how, or how they turned off and, and how you kind of, um, because, am I remembering correctly that you would, like, you were so multi-dimensionally, uh, visual as a child that sometimes you, you weren't sure, you know, if there were stairs there for example.

Melissa Jolly Graves: Correct. Or walls or cars. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh God. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: So I couldn't see in this reality of sometimes because it was in another place of being. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. And so you can see, like, you see energy just as you, [00:06:00] as easily as we see the physical realm. You're seeing energy. Can you talk a little bit about what, how you perceive the world?

Melissa Jolly Graves: Uh, in a lot of colors, frequencies, shapes and symbols is what I see. And it's. Like looking at the background of a video game being put together and then seeing the video game layered with the coding that it has. I, I guess that would be best explained. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, because you've had some, um, coders who have verified this, right?

So you don't have that background yourself, but, uh, I, I can't remember the exact story, but you were explaining how you see things and then somebody was saying, wait a minute. That sounds like code. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Exactly. Exactly. So I was invited to the national Symposium for his Listic Healing Arts, uh, that was held at, uh, Harvard [00:07:00] University.

And there we were talking to different quantum physicists, uh, metaphysical scientists, even computer analysis, uh, it people, anyone that really got into the different coding of energy and what that was like. And programs that could also help the body. So while I was there, I was explaining exactly how I saw things and I didn't know the terminology for it.

However, when I started to explain it and said, well, this is exactly what it looks like to me. This is how I I function, and that's when the IT team brought me in and said, this is what it's called, and this is, uh, exactly what we're doing in computer coding only. We're using zero ones and you're using a color spectrum outside of that.

The human consciousness as I see it, is exactly like a computer system. So that's how I utilize, uh, the, the metaphors now is speaking about the computer systems, uh, versus the human systems because they're very much [00:08:00] alike. It's just colors versus numbers and letters. 

Kara Goodwin: So what do you make of that? Because it could be like, do you think, because some people think we're in a simulation, so do you, do you, does that tell you, okay, well we are in some sort of encoded, um, simulation?

Or does it say to you, well, they're using a divine design as they code or somewhere in the middle? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: I think it's both actually. I really think that it's both because I do believe that absolutely we are here in a simulation and I can explain exactly how this world was made, how humanity was made, how earth was made.

I've gone down all the way to the beginning. I've been, uh. Researching for about 17 years and really putting it into words and format over the last 12 years. And what we're seeing is that we need these colors, we need these lights, we need the lines, we need the shapes, we need literally everything to be put together to even put [00:09:00] together our, um, chemicals.

We need specific frequencies that come in, specific lighting and shapes that then can make, um, let's say nitrogen or something. And so once those get put together, then that's how we build our whole universe is on frequencies and lights. And that's what we see in computer systems, that it's all, you know, frequencies and lights.

And same with the shapes. I believe. You know, Tesla said, um, if you wanna understand the universe. If you wanna understand the keys to the universe, then think in terms of frequency, energy, and vibration. And that really bothered me that he said that because it's all one and the same. And so there was a little bit of me that's just saying, well, there's gotta be more.

So I really dissected it and really took it apart. And it comes down to frequency, shapes, and colors. And if you have those three things you can put together anything. Also, if you know those three things when you're doing healing, that's how you're manipulating the energy by either adding that shape back.

[00:10:00] Maybe somebody, uh, had a circle energy and it held space within their system and they lost their circle. You're just gonna see a void there. So adding a circle or adding a frequency or a specific light can change that perspective and start healing that person on multiple different, um, realities and multiple different dimensions.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. You said a lot there.

Um. So now I'm like, do we wanna talk about the, uh, how everything started? I think we do wanna go down that, like where you, you gave us a little teaser of the research that you've done, but when you talk about being able to perceive where somebody kind of has, um, a, a makeup of a shape, for example, like, I'd love to know a little bit more, uh, a little bit more about that.

Do you see people as compiled of shape and color and vibration and [00:11:00] so forth? Or do you see, is it kind of one of those things as dominant and it, does it tell you anything if somebody is more of like a circle versus a square or, I'd lo I'd love to know more. I've never really heard anybody talk about it like that.

Melissa Jolly Graves: Absolutely. So when I go into any kind of healing, uh, process, uh, or any kind of channeling with anything, I always like to go to the beginning so that I know what, what processing center I'm working with. And so I go into that system, uh, through mine site, and. Which is different from the practice mindset, by the way.

Um, I, I do, uh, work with, uh, Dahlia, and she, she teaches mine how to see physically with your eyes through blindfolds. Oh, okay. Gotcha. But this is more of an intuitive kind of mindset sight that I go into and I match the energy and the [00:12:00] frequency, the electromagnetic energy with the person. So I wait until both of us get to this place of, okay, we're connected, and then there's this little soft spot that people allow you in to their spirit.

And I go all the way until it's black. What I see then is nothing, what I feel is nothing. And it's, it's odorless, colorless. There's no temp, there's absolutely nothing. It's just a void of black. And then I hear a very low vibration or a very high vibration. Uh, but they come one after another, always. And so that goes almost, it's almost like it goes right past me.

And as that goes past me now I know all of the layers of the different frequencies that that person can have within their system. And so I know the lowest that they can go and I know know the highest that they can go. And then after a while when the frequencies are just making these sounds and these pitches, the lower vibration needs some more excitement to rise [00:13:00] and the exciting needs some rest.

And so they end up coming together to fulfill that energy field and that harmonization within each other, but they also kind of fight. So, so you start hearing it's this high and these low pitches, it always reminds me of a OL dial up back in the day. Oh 

Kara Goodwin: yeah, 

Melissa Jolly Graves: yeah. But it's the high and the low. And then all of a sudden you see a.

The frequencies go until there's a spark. And it reminds me of, um, the lobster or the shrimp, uh, the manta shrimp. When it collapse, its, uh, claws together. It, the frequency is so abrupt that it actually causes a spark. And that's what happens within the people is that a spark ends up happening and once the sound hits the spark, the spark and the sound just go away for a little bit.

It just, and then, and then you hear nothing. And then all of a sudden this big blast comes and it's almost like the sound and the light now started to [00:14:00] fight. And so it's spreads out. And then you get what's called in computer systems trap codes. So now I call it a trap code, just because it's what it sounds like.

So you get these little bursts of light that they look like stars, they look like the end of neurons in the brain. Um, multiple different systems it looks like. Uh, but it is, it's just light. The frequencies then start to bounce off that light. So it's all white light in the beginning, and then the frequencies start to hit the light.

When the frequencies hit the light, the light shakes just enough that it starts to turn different colors and then it shoots out and attaches to another light source. So if you imagine little dots like connect the dots kind of thing. And so these frequencies can go on and just keep bouncing and hitting light to light to light and gaining a pathway, uh, which would show me exactly where their destination with their energy coding is supposed to be when their energy system is done.

And now when I [00:15:00] say that, it doesn't mean just that they're gonna live and die in this life, but what is their whole energy pattern as a living being, as a whole being not just the multiple dimensions that it has in the little offspring life sources that it has, but as a whole, we get to see the whole destination.

Then that energy kind of spins back. So it's almost like a sign wave. And then we hit, get a co-sign wave that hits back. When that co-sign wave hits back, then that disperses and spreads more. So now we get frequencies that are bouncing off of light and sometimes they connect. And so that might be the circle or that might be the square, or you know, sometimes it doesn't connect all the way, and that would be a consolation.

And sometimes it connects in a weird way. That's not a shape. So that's what I call a symbol, because it's not specifically a shape that I could use, but it is a symbol of some kind, but not a consolation and not specifically a shape. So by the time I see the person done [00:16:00] coding, they have all of these different shapes, constellations, and they have, um, different symbols.

And all of those symbols do mean something. All of those colors do mean something. So that shows me the trajectory of where they're at and. Where their energy is supposed to be planted within their living being and their, their, their spirit itself. So then we go through, uh, a series of just connecting and condensing, um, you know, condensing the frequencies because once we condense the frequencies and we add two different frequencies together, then now, now we start to build the chemicals.

And once we start to build the chemicals, now we start even getting the, the shapes of the different chemicals and then the shapes of the chemicals start to bond with the chemicals that of the light. And they start to come together. And now we have this dense energy. It's dense, not necessarily touching, but it's enough to create this electro, um.

This electric energy that is very short in the distance versus long [00:17:00] if you think spirit, and the shorter the distance, the more condensed that energy is going to get and the con and it's in the condensing of all of that energy that makes humanity. And yes, we are all in shapes. I mean, when I am watching people, everybody is actually in triangles.

Uh, a lot of, we even have hexagons that go into cubes that go into triangles, but I see more triangles, uh, that are being built around people. But then you also have your aura, which uh, could be an egg, could be, you know, circle. So there's different things and, and when we're in our living body and we start to project the auras, this is energy.

Between us and the universe and what's going on now. So that does tell me a lot. But auras aren't like, what a lot of spiritual people say is, you know, yours is red, yours is blue. They're continuously changing like bubbles because they're universal Tauruses. So the energy [00:18:00] within our ourself is being portrayed on the outside that's collecting all the data, the shapes, the colors, the frequencies, and it's adding with those shapes and colors and frequencies coming into that body.

So you can process the outside world and the inside world. Then that comes together and now you have, that's how we're bringing different shapes in that, because we got new information, we got a new experience, we maybe even changed perspective on something, and so maybe I was a blue square and you were a red square, and we come together and we have this magnificent, you know, conversation about wisdom and, and how to do better work in the world.

So now both of us walk away with a purple. The way that I see people are computer, I very rarely and only a few times in my life have seen them as just skin. 

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Oh, interesting. As just skin. And what does that tell you when you [00:19:00] have seen that 

Melissa Jolly Graves: the filters have been taken off from other people? Um, I,

I believe that when that happened to me, that I had, um, filters that were put on me, like my friends talk about how they can't see things. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, so it was more about you being able to perceive rather than them not having that makeup. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah, so like when I've, and we'll be honest, and I've talked about it in my last one.

So I was, I was drugged at a festival and um, somebody had given me something and that is when I did, I went through anti, what I call anti tripping because I'm, I'm talking to my friends and I'm like, everything close still. Like you're skin is just like this peachy. It's like pouring and, and like, and, and you know, I'm looking at these pictures that I thought were all these [00:20:00] holographics where all of these things were coming out and they're just flat on the wall or, uh, I see things static electricity all the time.

Everything is static electricity, there is more static electricity in this world than anything else. And so everything is always moving. And I always see pulsations of flashing lights. So there's always these like disco lights that are always going off and uh, sometimes it get faster, sometimes it gets slower, and that's how I can tell where the speed of the energy is and whatnot.

I lost all of that. There was no static electricity. Everything looks still, uh, colors usually like, kind of fade together for me, or, or things will push out and come back. None of that happened. So I believe that me getting drugged like that somehow where other people get their filters taken off and then they get to see what I see, I got 'em put on so that I gotta see what you guys see.

And so it was very [00:21:00] interesting because you weren't such the computerized system that I, I, I normally saw. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Well, thank you for explaining all of that. It's, I appreciate how hard it's gotta be to find the words for it. Um. But I, it sounds overwhelming, but I guess you're just used to it because you've just walked through your life like this.

But as you're explaining and trying to find the words, I mean, I know that you've got the words now, but like, I can imagine how long it has, how, how much you've had to finesse your explanation of what it is that you understand, how you see, how you perceive, and then going into like, okay, well when, when this comes in, then it completes, and then we've got this chemical processing.

So then you're taking it even into the, the biological elements of it. And um, so there. I will never be able to ask you all the questions that I have about all of this. But when you're doing this [00:22:00] work to help people, you know, you're, you're seeing what the deficit is or where the, the change needs to happen, and you're helping to supply the, the frequency or the shape or the color, whatever.

Is all of that happening telepathically, or how do you give them what they need?

Melissa Jolly Graves: It is happening by me connecting to their energetic system. I wouldn't say telepathically, only because telepathy is a conversation between two people and sometimes they're not. Having the conversation with me, I'm having, I'm, I'm just an observer or I'm allowing my body to be utilized for the sourcing, uh, that needs to happen.

And so I just become a puppet, you, you know, at some point and just surrender and then allow my body to be used while I observe that information is so that I can speak to them and tell them about that. So I wouldn't say that it's necessarily telepathy, 'cause [00:23:00] telepathy is usually, um, again, it, it's a conversation or a way to communicate.

I would say that it is, um,

maybe channeling would be a better word for it. I think most healers are channelers and they channel on that source energy that can do that work, uh, to, to help assist in, uh, reconstructing their codes. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And so are you. Giving instruction as the energy is coming through you. Like, because you have the power of observing the, you have that talent of being able to see what it is that's needed.

So are you kind of conducting that or are you just allowing and, and saying like, okay, I'm, this is just what I'm observing. They didn't have this and then the energy came through and this is what happened? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Well, it's a little bit of both. Uh, because it's my human energy that has to connect with their human [00:24:00] energy, and we have to be able to harmonize and match our frequencies in order to even open up the gateways to that healing processing center.

And so there is a point of, uh. That human self that does have to pay attention to the energy and you're paying attention by, um, the heat. You know, what is the heat? What does it feel when I have my hands close to them versus further away? What is the energy pushing my hands away? Is it not? So I'm paying attention in the ways of, I am.

I am looking over the energetic field. So now if my hand gets stuck, if I feel there's no energy there or I feel too much energy, I hold and I pause. And that's when I asked, you know, creator, can you help me out? I found this spot. So it's almost like you found this spot, but now the big [00:25:00] team needs to come in.

So once I find that spot and I connect with it and I see it, then. I completely surrender and give my power up and say, I have no power in healing. This is between this person and creator. And so I just literally hold that space and I, and I wait, and then I just observe and see what is happening with the coding.

Sometimes maybe there's a coding, um, where, you know, a 16-year-old broke up with her or her boyfriend broke up with her and she hadn't got over it. She's 46 years old, still thinks about him kind of thing. And so. As a human being that needs to be processed because creator can't process emotions the way that we can process.

You can process energy, you can process, coding, can process, that kind of thing. So it's up to me then at that time to cry for that 16-year-old that keeps trying to say, uh, you know, it's, I'm over it. It doesn't, it's not anything. But yet there's this cry [00:26:00] spot in her so that it's up to me at that point then to go and to process and cry and actually go through that emotion for her.

Maybe I need to scream, maybe I need to yell. Maybe I need to say, I still fricking love you and whatever. But it's up for me as the healer to go through the human stuff. And then once the human stuff is done processing, then I give that up and then we work on the coating. And so now maybe we can't change that moment that was so, you know, into hurry.

And I always look at, uh, inside out where they have the little bubbles and all those things happen in their life, and then it gets sent somewhere. You can't undo the bubble. The bubble's there, the marble's there. Uh, but you can place it in another place that would help change its color. And so maybe that was, you know, a red triangle and in the processing and the crying and the screaming and whatever, and then asking creator, Hey, can you help do this?

We can't change the fact that it's a triangle, but we can move the triangle just a little bit. So now the [00:27:00] triangle is maybe green, and so the perspective that she has from that moment on is completely different from the perspective that she had prior to the healing. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. Okay. This makes me think too, 'cause we're, because we're talking about like the bio field for, you know, the energetic and electric magnetic makeup of the body.

When I had my session with you, you observed, I think you said my chakras were upside down or flipped or something. And I've thought about that so much since our session session. I've never heard this before. I've never heard that this was a thing. Um, so, and maybe it's not like, I don't know, is this a, a common thing that you're seeing and what does it mean?

Melissa Jolly Graves: Well, yeah, so everybody comes from different places and different planetary systems within the world. So if you think about how the planets are, right, let's say the Earth is right here and then [00:28:00] we have all these different planets all over it. Uh, some of us were born to other galaxies or other planets, and so our consciousness existed prior to coming to Earth.

And Earth is just a second life or you know, 500 and whatever lives people. Like you, and now this is not, it's not very common. I've seen it maybe like five times. So it's, it happens, but I'm not gonna say it's common. But your planetary system is somewhere that is higher than our Earth. So you have Earth and yours kind of is out here, sits above.

So your rooting system is constantly going up to that planetary system. Although you're here on earth, you're here for work, you're here for a mission, you're not here necessarily to, for your own gain [00:29:00] or for anything else. So. If you come from different planetary systems and have a strong consciousness that is still connected there, then sometimes those chakra systems can be upside down.

And you came to Crown, you came to learn about Earth, you came to connect with Earth, but that's not where you wanted to ground. And so every time you try to ground into Earth, it's going against the flow of your energy because your energy wants you at your planetary system. That's home. That's where you belong, that's your system, and that's where you receive the most amount of energy from because you're not receiving it from Earth.

Actually Earth is taking some of your energy. And so whenever you go into I need to ground and you try to ground into Earth, you would get depleted with that energy because this energy's. System is a lower vibration and a different system than what you function. And where the [00:30:00] other planetary place that you're at deals with peace and love and harmony and just like, I'm chilling man.

These little hippie vibes, like whatever. And then you come here and you have to get stressed, and now you're getting stressed and you try to get ground into earth, which is the thing that's stressing you, that would overstimulate your system and shut down your psychic ability is because you're trying to attach to a system that's not yours.

So when we look at people, we need to look at them as an individual. Person rather than just say, okay, though, this is what spirituality says, this is what the books say, this is the standard. Because it's not standard for everyone. We have very, um, particular energy systems and I, I've even seen chakra systems where they're not even in the person and they're going into other different, even dimensions, which is why, and I see that with the autism a lot, is that maybe they'll just have their heart chakra here and all the rest of the chakras are in different systems.[00:31:00] 

So you have to go into those other time periods or those other dimensions and treat those equally with this one. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. Thank you for sharing that and clarifying. It's so interesting, and this is one of the things that I, I cherished so much about having my session with you because it was, there were connections that you were making that I know you don't know.

Um, anybody who's listening to this recording will be like, Kara, you have so many episodes where you talk about, you know, galactic and you, but I am telling you Melissa is not on her email. That like, I, I've had enough conversation and connection with you that I know like. Well, I don't, I guess I can't say.

I know, but I, I get the sense that you are, you're not like really digitally connected and like doing, you know, your, your quote unquote research. You'd been in Egypt right before we were together and we're very busy and kind of just snuck me in. [00:32:00] And so anyway, um, that's, that was just one small thing that came through, but I got so much from it.

And I want, I don't want to miss the opportunity to talk about what you have found in terms of creation. You talked about this right at the beginning where you said you've done, you know, years of research and you've gone to the beginning, and so what, what do you feel inspired to share with us today about what your research has found?

Melissa Jolly Graves: Oh, wow. Well, definitively I have been able to show that we have a consistent pattern, which, if. In the way, you know, of just taking the similarities of everything and putting it together. What could the system be? And the only thing that I see, the system being is of God, is of creator, um, which I see is kind of the same, but also a little bit different.

So like, God [00:33:00] creator of this world, but then I also see an ultimate creator also, which I would also consider like a God. So, um, creator, creator is, is the creative. So when I say creator, that's the creative energy that kind of started everything. When I say God, that is an individual that decided to put things into pattern to make the creation happen.

So we have these Legos, right? Well, cool. We have, that's, that's creation is, is that we have, we have all the Legos and the creator was the one that created the Le Lego, but the God per se would be the one that decided what's gonna happen with those Legos and put it together. So, so the system that that.

Put the other system together. Um, but of all of my research that I've found is, is definitively we have creator running through literally everything. And it doesn't matter what topic, it doesn't matter what religion you're talking about, there is a consistency that goes through everything and why science has not been able to show without a doubt that we have [00:34:00] found God, we have found creator is beyond me.

And I believe that it's because it's in so many different systems and so many different things that it, it's hard to put into one word what that is, or it's hard to say, well, how does art and NASA and computer systems and math and oceanography, what do those even have in common? Well, when you take the similarities and you put them and you're gonna see a very definitive pattern.

And so the pattern that I found, I believe is. Is God, is, is Creator, is showing through all of that. But also what I found, uh, for humanity. You know what I hope? If they read this book and they say, whoa, we see how it was all put together. I want them to see how simple it is to put together and take down an entire system.

Because we have so many people in [00:35:00] power and in authority that know how to utilize these systems, know how to utilize thoughts, um, manipulation of energy and that sort of thing that when. They do it. They do it right. And we have not empowered the people to do such a thing. So I want to show the people exactly how energy built the entire system and how when you understand energy and you understand creator, then as a whole, you could be a superhuman.

You would have these superhuman abilities. And if we had these abilities and then we were able to tap into the program that we were assigned to be into. Because right now it's like we're living in this world of Mario, but Pac-Man and Kirby, like all these other things are in, so we don't even know that we need to get the peach anymore, right?

Because they're just like, what is happening right now? 

Kara Goodwin: What a fun analogy. I did not expect you to throw that in there 

Melissa Jolly Graves: either, but it's what [00:36:00] came out. Um, so like if you think about that, we have to get people back to simple. Because one thing that I've realized about this world is once we figure something out, we go on to the next.

We go on to the next. We don't just find this thing and then expand it and see how far it can go. So I've, I'm doing the expansion to show humanity that with, with a change of thought, with a change of faith, with hope, with just seeing things and similarities rather than differences, that we can see that really we could heal this, heal this world.

We could, we could bring the world to balance in harmony literally within a week if everybody worked together and they had empathy and they had compassion, and they had the motivation and the gratitude, and that's all the four things you need. You don't even need love. You don't even need to like somebody.

You don't even need any of that. But as long [00:37:00] as you have those four things. We just take care of ourselves and have compassion for ourself, and then have compassion for others. We would understand that we're all, we're all going to go feeling all the feelings, we're gonna feel all the, all the pain. We're gonna feel the sadness.

That's humanity, right? So the more that we go through and the more that we can express, the more that we have done our job in living life. And when other people get to see other people living life, they get to see the similarities. They get to see how easy it is to fix things. My hope is that we would be able to come together in this balance and not only have harmony within ourself, but as a whole, that's when we would elevate our consciousness and be able to go up another step.

Plus, now we have all these abilities that can work with Earth. I mean, realistically. We should be wa we should be a whole world of walking marvel. You know, the Marvel universe, the more connected you are, you are, I mean, the better. I work [00:38:00] with a, a guy named Chris Fazio. Absolutely love him, one of my great friends, and he shoots electricity out of his fingers.

And it's amazing. He doesn't, he can do it anywhere, any place. Uh, he can, he shocks you like a tens unit. And it, and it's a lot. He's done up to 30 people at once and that I've witnessed, he's maybe done more. Uh, but when we look at these people, we look at, you know, the faith that they have, the connection to earth that they have.

And we can see that within all of the people that have these abilities, the people that have the most abilities are those that are connected, connected to themselves, connected to earth, connected to other human beings. And so what I, I mean, there's multiple things I want to come from my studies, but it's that humanity can make that change if we all put our swords and our shields down.

And just said, we're all hurting and life sucks. Let's not make it suck so hard. You know? Um, and then also seeing that creators here, because we've lost [00:39:00] that, we've lost the ability to see creator because people lost the ability to see what their heart, because technology and TV and you know, everything these days, faith is in the eyes and the ears and no longer in the soul.

And if they don't have something to see, they don't have something to hear. And that's what I really learned in the lys of Egypt is, is that was really predominant across a lot of the readings of the hieroglyphs that I did, is that when the people start to see and hear and uh, with in their faith becomes in their eyes and their ears and not in their heart, then that's when humanity in the lands will be lost.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. So what, tell us what your book is called. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Prove me wrong. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, I love it. I'm gonna read this because that sounds like an amazing book and I, I want everybody to have superpowers. That's, that's [00:40:00] wonderful. Now, talking about this, there, you work a lot with nonverbal people with autism, and we touched on telepathy where you were talking about that being a conversation, but you do have telepathic connection with nonverbal people with autism, and you've gotten some amazing insights from them.

You know, it's, it's so, it, it's just incredible, just amazing the breakthroughs that have come through. I feel like 2025 was such a huge year for us to understand not only that these people who have been discounted, you know, they've, they're parents have been told. They're not there. And through the telepathy tapes, you know, we, we've gotten to see the inside where these families are saying it's, there's a lot going on here and it's way more than you could [00:41:00] possibly even fathom.

So, but also it tells us about the capabilities within humanity because they're human and they're having these very real telepathic experiences. Um, you have an amazing story with an angel that you'd been working with, so I wanna talk about that. But let's just start with how did you get into this work with, with the nonverbals?

Melissa Jolly Graves: Okay. Uh, I have. Had the ability 

Kara Goodwin: beyond verbal, 

Melissa Jolly Graves: I'm sorry, beyond correct you. So I'm glad you Thank you. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. I love that. Yes. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Thank you. Um, I, I was born with the, uh, telepathic abilities, and that was one of the problems that I was having within my life and functioning is so many voices were in my head, and they tried so many different ways to diagnose me as bipolar, schizophrenia, uh, and went through psychologists, psychologists or [00:42:00] psychologists and 

Kara Goodwin: psychiatrists, 

Melissa Jolly Graves: psychiatrist, thank you.

Mm-hmm. Um, and, and multiple different people did the map testing, did the egg plot testing, did all this, and they couldn't find anything that was particularly wrong, but they could find meds that shut it down. Uh, eventually in my nursing, I just, I, I wasn't satisfied with the lack of, there was so much lack of care that was happening within nursing.

Uh, I did not feel comfortable with, um. Some of the services and stuff that people even received, or just that they got treated like every other person. I mean, you have high blood pressure, everybody gets this, you know, kind of thing. So I didn't, I didn't really appreciate that so much. Um, my husband gave me the okay to, I just want you to be yourself.

You've hid yourself for so long. Just be yourself. Bring it out to the public, see what they have to say. And I did, and it was amazing. And [00:43:00] I just kept getting affirmation after affirmation after affirmation. So I started, you know, okay, well I'm going to healing. And I started doing the healing again. I really was attracting a lot of, uh, autistic people.

I mean, it was, it was pretty bad. People were stealing cars to even come visit me at my work. Um, driving, uh, their, you know, riding, uh, their five-year-old cousin's bike in a. Snow storm and they're, it's a 45 minute drive, but they'll drive three hours just to come sit in the office. And so I started noticing that I was getting, I was really attracting them and it was almost like they had to come, they were doing anything and everything to get to the office and just sit.

We actually had just a room where you could just kind of sit and talk and whatnot. That was at our place and, uh. So through that, there was a gentleman that I really started doing more and more telepathic communication with, and [00:44:00] he was a really good channel. His name was Dane. He was amazing. And him and I would just go back and forth and back and forth, and he opened up the whole channel again.

So I started channeling everyone again. Um, and was 

Kara Goodwin: he beyond verbal? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: He was, uh, speaking. Okay. He was a speaking autistic person? Yes. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: But he had the abilities, uh, for telepathy, him and his friend, uh, Thomas. And so him and Thomas would go back and forth and, and um, he really started showing the abilities of Melissa.

I don't think that you understand how the telepathic. Uh, crew really is closer than you think. And I was talking to him on the phone and he was talking to, um, and my husband and me, we were on Kara Goodwin phone with him and my husband said, well, could you show me an example of that? He goes, absolutely, I'll do that right now.

And next thing we know, there's a knock on our door. And the next thing I know, it was like 25 minutes later, but 25 minutes later, there's a knock on the [00:45:00] door and we go downstairs and I open up the door and there's a cooler that I had borrowed my friend just sitting on the, on the stairway, and she's already outta the driveway pulling away, and I'm confused because she lives about a half hour.

Why did she just come and drop off a cooler and not say anything and then drive away? And right before the cooler had got there, Dane was doing this energy work on my husband and I, and he said, are you getting hot yet? My husband was actually red and sweating. And he goes, dude, it's so much, it's so intense.

And he goes, maybe you need a cooler. Maybe you need a cool down kind of thing. And then that's when the door hits. We go out, we see, and we bring in this cooler. And I called my friend and said, Michelle, why did you drop this off and go? She goes, I don't know. Tristan just started freaking out saying, we have to prove this to Melissa.

We have to prove it to Melissa. We [00:46:00] gotta bring the cooler. Just bring the cooler and leave. And she goes, he didn't want me to go into the house. He didn't wanna answer the door. He said he was just trying to prove something to you and he just needed to prove that he could cool you down. And my friend's son is autistic.

Okay. And so Dane. Got on the telepathic, got to Tristan said, bring the cooler back now and then just get in and leave and whatnot. Well, I was calling Michelle. I was downstairs and we had a three level house. My husband's up on the top level talking to Dane and I come up the stairs and he said. Yeah. His other trick was that he told Michelle he had to leave right away because she knows that she would stay.

And so he was very specific, drop the cooler and leave because that wasn't anything that she would actually ever do. So to drive his point, he said, this is what you must do, and Tristan got it and we got the cooler. So he was showing that. And then from there, just started [00:47:00] realizing, wow, they don't have a lot of help.

They don't have a lot of resourcing. Started talking, you know, more and more to them. And then got into a book, the ancestors within with an Amy Gille and there was a gentleman, Noah that was there. He started doing, he was doing telepathy with me on the author's Zoom call and he said. We need to start, you know, doing more.

Can you, can you do, let's do Zoom meetings, let's do zoom meetings, and you should be doing Zoom meetings. You need to be talking to more people. And so he really inspired me and motivated me to get out to talk to the whole. And he wanted to do a documentary. So we did a little documentary, um, how to Speak to the Soul when the Voice is Silent.

And, uh, sent that out. And now we're doing our little, um, let's be telepathy calls every week and as many people up. I mean, we've had about 70, I think was the most that we've had on a Zoom call, but people get on there with their loved ones. And [00:48:00] I, uh, do telepathic channeling. Now, this isn't just with the ot, I can do telepathy with Kara Goodwins.

Uh, I, I do a lot with Down Syndrome, WOX, um, uh, coma. What's WOX? It's, uh, it's a. Uh, gene within your body and the WWOX uh, syndrome, uh, the person lacks that, that gene, so it almost makes 'em quad. Uh, well, the people that I work with are, um, paraplegic or quadriplegic, uh, because they're, it's not making them, but all of them are non Kara Goodwins.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. So this, how long has this been going on for you? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: That I've been doing, uh, telepathy. 

Kara Goodwin: Telepathy 

Melissa Jolly Graves: in public? 

Kara Goodwin: Well, just like, like the story with the cooler. Like how long ago was that? When it started to open up? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Okay, so I'm gonna say, let's [00:49:00] see, I am 40, that was 15 years ago. So I, I've been, uh, back in myself, I'm gonna say in myself and in my energy fully since, uh, 2012 is when I said I accept myself.

I'm, I'm just gonna see where this goes. And then I started, uh, really researching a lot of the things that I was seeing through science and stuff. And science really in the last five years has caught up into a way that I can explain myself, because that was a really hard thing for me as you had pointed out.

Uh, how do you explain the things that you're seeing? And I couldn't just say, oh, this is what I'm seeing, because then I just sound like a crazy person. No one wants to listen. So I've had to really learn the science and the flow behind everything that I do so I can present it in a way that people would be able to understand it.

Kara Goodwin: Well, and you know, thinking about the reverse el [00:50:00] like the reverse trip, you know, the experience that you had, it really is kind of a gift that you did have that pause where you could see what we see. Yeah. So that you could say, because if it's all you've ever known and all you've ever seen. And experienced, then you might not have an appreciation for like, wait, why is everything so flat here?

You know, why do I not have advanced energetic knowledge about when somebody's gonna walk into the room? You know, it's like, this is, this is how it is for, you know, the rest of us. But, um, so it kind of gave you a frame of reference or an opposition to be able to say like, oh, oh, okay, well now that I've experienced that, now I can see like, they don't see this and it doesn't show up this way.

And, um, but with the, with the Beyond Verbals, um, I've heard a little bit of your channeling of what they have brought through, but what, what types of [00:51:00] messages are they wanting to get out to people? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Life isn't as hard as you think it is. It's really a lot more simple, and if you can enjoy the little things.

You would be a lot more happy and the world would function as a whole. They really want to also, uh, show that God exists. They wanna put the faith back in people across the board. It is God is here. God wants to help you. Uh, we wanna help you. We love you. Please help us. Uh, what they really, you know, bigger picture if you kind of scan out, the really cool thing about having these beyond verbal people in our life is that they're so spiritually connected.

So they have access 24 7 to things that we don't have. Uh, so they have so much more spiritual wisdom to share with us where we have the human [00:52:00] body. And so one of the things that they really came to discover is how humanity works. And. Where the fault lines are within humanity and how can they change them?

And, you know, they're, they're almost coming to look at the viruses within the system. So it's a training program if we all come together because it's us learning how to be in spirit and them learning how to be in body. And when you combine the two of them, especially with faith and with God, you have a system that is unbeatable.

It's limitless. There's, there's no limits to what it is. I mean, we would take off age and go back to the time of living, you know, a thousand years at a time. If people so wanted that if they valued life, then that would be something that would be beneficial for the world. And that's something that they're really asking is, sorry, someone came in right when I said that.

They're like, that's [00:53:00] it. So I kind of stumbled on my words, but they said that that is what it is, is that. They wanna show the benefits of life to people so that they can experience it in a loving way, receive that coding, and then bring it back with them into their spirit because we don't see it. But there are different level ups that we get in this world, and depending on what you do, and you know, making the right moral decisions, or even going on a vacation and showing up in the right longitude and the latitude, when the sun hit in a very specific way, we get specific codes that are added onto our spirit and we don't see that.

But when we leave this world that code, we can fun put that into different aspects of our other living lives, but we also can create our own world and we can input the codes of, let's say trees or insects or something from this world into those others. So when there's a harmonic balance that comes together.

[00:54:00] We would see the benefits of humanity's spirituality and earth function as a whole at an optimal, um, as an optimal powerhouse. The, the, the three together. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Well, you mentioned they're kind of looking at the fault lines within the human. What do you mean by that? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Um, a lot of it is, is expression of emotions.

It's okay to have emotions, but the way that people express it, there's some fault lines within that because sometimes, uh, you know, I have one girl, Emma, she's down syndrome, but one thing that she really taught me, one of the most valuable lessons that I've ever had is emotions were meant to be in motions.

So emotions are the electronics, the, what did she say? The um. The electrons that are in motion that are meant to be pushed through [00:55:00] us. So if I have sadness and I hold onto sadness for so long, it starts to fight up against my system. So why do I wanna hold that sadness? Because there's something in that that makes me real.

That pain makes me feel real. It makes me feel living, it makes me feel this, but it also makes me feel really crappy, makes me feel crazy, makes me feel nauseated, makes me feel all these other things. So how can we find value in ourselves and having such connection without pain and feeling that, that passion still, uh, without just emotions, but feeling that passion and energy.

So, you know, as I said, she wants that to go. So if I have sadness and I'm holding it, that other person doesn't get it. So she wants to show people like, it's okay to have sadness, have sadness for two minutes. And then let's start thinking about how we can fix it. You have sadness for a half hour and then let's start thinking about how we can fix it past that through so some, so other people can have those experiences [00:56:00] because we shouldn't hang onto it.

So one of the fault lines that, that they say is a fault line is the emotional hoarding that is a fault line of humanity. So they want to learn how to break up the hoarding. So we don't think that we have to stay on these emotions and we can move past that and move through other things so we can have more experiences.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, fascinating. So this is also reminding me of a dream I just had a couple of nights ago and I was with a, a. Like a teenage boy who had down syndrome and it, he was presenting in my dream as the son of a friend, and she has a daughter who is a teenager who has Down Syndrome. And so I was like, I, I actually just met with her a couple of days or yesterday and I was like, yeah, I dreamt about you, but I was with your son and she doesn't have a son, but it, it was, you know, and he had Down syndrome, but we were going, [00:57:00] I was kind of like chaperoning him down a water slide.

And it was a really long water slide with like all of these sort of like bumps that you could go over. And it had different like, um, almost like obstacles, but you know, you just kind of went through the water and we were going down it together. And as you're talking about this, I'm linking it back because like, I, I associate water with emotions, you know, and then you're talking about like the fluidity and the release of.

Emotions and it's just, I feel like there's this convergence happening right now through like things that have shown up even in my subconscious and, and uh, so I don't really, I guess I don't have a question with that, but it's just startling for me to be like, whoa, this is a lot happening in this moment.

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and consciousness is emotions, I mean, or you know, and water is consciousness, so, oh, that's 

Kara Goodwin: [00:58:00] right, because you've got all the water connection too. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yep. Working with data Austin on the water project, uh, and Elsa, Brandon Owen, uh, they're all on that project too, and we found so much information within that telepathic communication because they're telepathically connecting to water and then also to the universe.

And, uh, we're finding out a lot of information, but one of the biggest things that. That I'm taking from this whole thing is that not only is water conscious, but it's consciousness and consciousness in humanity to have any emotion, you have to have water. 

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: You cannot have emotion without water. So the fact that you put that together, that's huge.

Because that is actual reality, is that our emotions in some which way, shape or form are water. They have to have water. You can't have anger without water. You can't have love without water. You actually can't [00:59:00] have any kind of reality without water. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. There's so many levels, layers to this. I am. I am like so wowed right now.

This is amazing. Um, I, I wanna make sure that we talk about the angel. That showed up. And while we're still on this, on this thread of the Beyond verbals, can you please share this amazing story about your angel? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah, so I've had a very specific angel that has been connected to me. Uh, she really came very present in 2014.

I mean, just huge presence. Uh, she came in when I was a nurse still, and she was the one that said, start telling the doctors what you're feeling off of these patients. So I would, you know, touch someone. And oh, they got stage four lung cancer, so we would, you know, run tests and sure enough they [01:00:00] have this.

She really led me through the things that gave me the competence to know that what I was hearing and seeing was. Correct, because the things that she would tell me to say out loud or, you know, to act on, were very validated in this world. Whether it be by science, uh, you know, a lot labs or by an experience that somebody would have.

Or I said, oh, I just feel like I have to tell you this. Uh, she sh showed me how to do crystal readings. I never did that. So I had this box of rocks that I had, you know, I just love putting my hands, stones and playing with them. And I was cleaning one day and this angel tells me that, uh, I need to have my roommate who's cleaning with me roll these.

And she explains the whole process on how to do crystal reading. She tells me, quit your nursing. Uh, go into this building this day. It was a yarn shop. And tell them that you want, uh. [01:01:00] That you want to rent a place there and going in a yarn shop, what? You know, so I'm just listening. Sure. Sure enough, they had a little spot.

It was a room for ma that was, had a massage person and the massage person left. And so a hundred dollars a month, you know, like, oh, I could do that. So she really led me into so many different experiences in my life. The most, uh, the biggest one was three o'clock in the morning during COVID. She said, get up, wake up, you and your hu You and Drew need to go and get a U-Haul and go to Iowa.

And I go, what? And she goes, get a U Hall and go to Iowa at this point. She's never wrong, just, it just never happened that she was ever wrong. Everything she said was right and it was spot on. In fact, anytime that she would come and I would channel and she was there and I was channeling this angel and she was in nearly every crystal reading, people [01:02:00] would say that spot on.

And if I didn't hear people say that spot on, I actually felt like maybe there's something I did wrong because I wasn't getting that affirmation. And I'm thinking, well, I did something wrong with my angel because I didn't hear them say that. And I would say 98% of the people said that was spot on, and 2% would say no.

So now I know, okay, I got the affirmation, every people are saying this and whatnot. And then through, uh, telepathy tapes, uh, there was a crisis center kind of that I did. So. If there were people that were really having some issues and whatnot, they reached out to telepathy tapes and then, uh, Kai would forward them to me, and I would, I would help whatever situation.

And this just happened to be one of those situations and, uh, Elsa wasn't doing good. I get on the phone and I'm thinking, well, this angel's coming with me. 'cause the angel tells me, pull over, [01:03:00] uh, right now and you gotta talk to this person and she's gonna fill your gas. Don't worry, you're not, you don't have to get gas.

Just pull over right now. So I pull over and I'm talking and I hear everything that, uh, Corinne, her mom is saying, and she's having these outbreaks and it's not good. And she thinks maybe she has to be ho hospitalized, medicated, whatever. But I mean, it's so violent that she can't. She can't do this anymore.

And you know, she's getting older in age. So I said, okay, well let's go ahead and check in to see what else has to say. And at that moment, I mean, I just went into full hyperventilation. I just, or hyperventilating. I could not breathe. I was crying. I was a mess. Mom was going, what is happening? I couldn't even do anything.

But ask El, just please say the words. Say the words. Say, say, say the words. And I just kept saying, say, say, say, say what? Words. Words. Words. Say, say the words, you know, so I could barely talk. And the mom goes, are you the one that is supposed to be helping these kids? You know?[01:04:00] 

Um, she has no idea what's going on and whatnot. And ELs is laughing hysterically, just holding her chest and laughing. She can't breathe 'cause she's laughing so hard. I can't breathe 'cause I'm crying so hard. So she grabs her spelling board and she writes spot on. Those were the only two words I wanted to hear because when I went in and I saw Elsa as a person on the Zoom call, and then when I went in to go see her spirit, I recognized she was the angel that had been talking to me all of these years.

She was the one that guided me to my business. Crystal reading how to do channeling, how to do healing and the accuracy that I can as well as my husband's mom who is on the other side. Laurel help me too. So thank you mom. Um, but she was, she built me up. She, she built me up and she told me how to do it all.

And then here's this person. [01:05:00] In front of me and then to go further, Veda Austin, you know, and I get connected. And now Veda says, is there anyone that you would like on this project? And I say, Elsa. So through, uh, the filming of Water telepathy and ancient wisdom, I was able to meet Elsa in person for the first time and hug my angel.

And it was just so amazing and so awesome. And since then, she is written chapters, uh, for a book that that's being put together. Uh, we've worked through so many different things, uh, found people that were, uh, raping people. Um, she, she kept having one of these, one of the issues that she, excuse me, having, um, with the violence is that she was feeling like she was getting raped every time.

This Carl Anderson guy, um. Would rape a girl or would do [01:06:00] something. We, we couldn't figure out what was happening. But she was going through, and now sometimes it was the past, but she was just reliving the rapes of these women. So maybe it wasn't that it was happening now. And she just kept saying, Carl Anderson, Carl Anderson.

We couldn't figure it out. And one night I wake up, uh, and she's having a panic and she's screaming in my ear and my other friend Noah comes in and says, Melissa Carl Anderson, she's been spelling it wrong the whole time. This is how you spell it. And I spelled it. We found him and it actually, and he was jailed and it was put in the comment in the newspaper.

One of the most evil mens, or it said like evil at most, or something like that. And that's what Elsa kept saying is that he was one of the most evil mens. And then it actually said that when he was jailed in, in the newspaper. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh my gosh. And she didn't, she didn't know him personally. This was all happening psychically or intuitively.

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. [01:07:00] Yeah. Yep. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yep. Yeah. She used to really be on cases. And then it got to the point where also we can't do this. We have other things. So now we work on water and clouds, and she's writing a song, uh, about the hill right now. And she'll be on the telepathy tapes very soon. Um, working with, um, some neuroscientists also because she wants to, uh, go to Stanford eventually.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: And work on, on, she wants to be a neuroscientist herself. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh my gosh. Well, and one of my, one of the stories I love so much, I think it was Elsa, right where she disappeared. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Oh yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: Showed up. Yeah. Yeah. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Do you 

Kara Goodwin: wanna share about that? That was incredible. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. So that was the first night that we talked and, uh, we had spoken on the phone two hours previous to the moment that I'm gonna tell you about here now, precursor mom's in Arizona.

I'm in [01:08:00] Minnesota. You can't even get through TSA and on a plane that fast. Now, the conversation that we had, obviously very intense. Obviously a lot came out. Mom was not prepared for the conversation that we had, but also needed the conversation. And I tell her, Wella visits me all the time. She's always talking to me.

She's, she's helping me paint my room. She's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, so I tell Elsa. Before we leave the conversation, I said, well, if you get bored, come visit me and we'll just hang out in my living room like we normally do. You know? And you, you don't have to hang out with mom, don't worry. 'cause she said, well, I'm bored at home and I don't get to hang out much.

Telepathically is one, are the things she said. I said, well then come hang out with me, then we'll be besties. So I'm sitting on the couch and my house and Elsa comes by and she says, start filming me and tell, tell them what, what I'm doing in the video. It's horribly explained. Just 'cause I have no idea why She suddenly [01:09:00] after video of video, of video of me having Angel.

'cause I'm like, that's my angel. And I had, you know, I got an orb going around. So now I just assume it's, it's the same thing. It, it doesn't matter. I don't know what she's trying to do. So we, uh. We start talking and I'm recording her and I am tracing her around the house. She even goes and sits with my dog and I said, oh, she sits with the dog and my dog looks over.

And then I said, she's getting up and you can actually see her floating up from the couch and everything. And I get a text message from her mom. Well, I'm recording. I actually had to stop recording because I get the text message from her mom that says, I know this is gonna sound really strange, but Elsa's not in the house, is she with you?

And I can just feel through the phone how I got she. But I had to send her the video and say, yeah, she was [01:10:00] with me actually. Here you go. And the moment that I sent that video to her was the moment that Elsa pops back eating potato chips. In, um, the kitchen and they're like an autistic person can't eat potato chips, a bag of potato chips very quietly.

And her dad and mom were just talking about her and saying, where is she? And then suddenly here she appears, as they were saying, where is she? Mom writes me and now she's in the other room and they can see her and she's eating chips. So dad said, where did you go? And she said, port. And he said, like, you teleported?

And she goes, yeah, port. And she said the words out loud. And so we've caught multiple, uh, it's kind of become a game of them to be like, ha ha, I'm gonna show up now. So we've gotten multiple, uh, people show up as an orb while they are somebody else and some or somewhere [01:11:00] else. And sometimes their body is there and sometimes it's not.

So it's something I'm working with on. Some scientists right now to see, is this something that we can do? Is telepathy is cool and all it's, but is teleportation something that we can prove with science? 'cause we're, we've already proven telepathy, you know, it was just, does the community wanna accept it or not?

But can we prove teleportation now? And so that's, uh, the next step in, in the journey. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh my gosh. It's just mind blowing. And I know you're doing work with, um, fungi as well. Yeah. Do you have, do you have time to talk a little bit about this? Because you invented a fungi, right? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: I sure did. I sure did. Uh, 

Kara Goodwin: I, I gotta hear about this.

This is just, and then I will let you go because I could, I really could talk to you for like hours and hours and hours, but let's, let's end with the fungi. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. [01:12:00] Yeah. Uh, so I was really involved in the protesting with multiple, uh. Pipelines with Enbridge and Enbridge is, I'll try to give a little bit. Uh, they're an oil factory that their main corporations, well, all of their corporations are from Canada and they, um, resource oil through the United States, or they run their pipelines and stuff through the United States.

And so it, it goes then to Canada and whatnot. Uh, we have multiple pipelines and multiple functioning pipelines. There is, with each oil company, a certain amount of barrels that you can take every day, and they have been meeting that capacity every day. But the oil companies wanted more, uh, money, so they wanted to start doing more, more oil.

So they started trying to mine for more oil in the United States. [01:13:00] Uh, I was. Per se adopted, uh, by an American Indian woman who has, uh, passed. But she really worked on the rights of American Indians. And why say American Indians is because that's what a lot of the treaties were signed with. And when they had to move to Native American or indigenous, and they resigned under those names American, or I mean Native American or indigenous, um, that treaty now took superiority over the treaty, uh, of the American Indians, because now they're not American Indians anymore.

They're identifying as something else. So it's taking the treaties away. So I was really looking into how the rights of American Indians, uh, the lands and their resources are being taken away. And I strongly believe, and maybe it was the way that I was taught, but it was also what I saw before she even started teaching me.

Is that [01:14:00] each land has its own religion per se, because religion is a spiritual belief. It's not church, it's not a building. Religion is an independent belief in a paranormal um, phenomenon. And so when we look at all of the different countries, we see multiple people that had the same experiences when they went into their religious experience or meditation or connection with the land.

And they'll come to that same creator, that same God, that same energy. And the, and that's how that religion ends up building because then people say, oh, I've seen it, I've felt it. I, whatever. Well, American Indians. They held that religion and that spirit and that voice in the song of the Land. And when we demolish them, we will now take away all of the big, like, that was our spirituality of our lands.

[01:15:00] And we now took that away. And now we just become somebody that can be controlled because we're not, we're not connecting to our lands. We're now connecting to, you know, uh, Shiva. We're now connecting to forest. We're now connecting to everything outside of our lands. And because of that, we're not taking care of our lands.

So one of the things that I saw that the, uh, pipelines doing as I went into research, 'cause I don't just protest and say, you can't do this. I go into why? What is the reason? What are you doing legally? I wanna see this. I mean, I was in the court, I was in Pat Court every day with, with them and pointing out the legal structures and stuff like that.

And, but I looked at the mapping of it all and all of the pipelines went through major re reservations that had, uh, wild rice. And there's seven of the big wild rice, uh, lakes that are across the United States. Out of the seven, six of them had pipelines that went through. Not only did they go [01:16:00] through, but for multiple years, up to five years, there were calls every week.

There's a, there's, there's a leak. There's a leak. There's a leak. And Enbridge did not go and fix the leak. They did not respond. They didn't do anything. Well, all of those, uh, ended up bursting. And six of our seven lakes are now so polluted to the fact that we can no longer pull white rice, wild rice from it.

Um. One of the biggest spills was in Grand Rapids, Minnesota, the biggest land spill that has ever happened. Oil spill. They don't talk about it because it's on reservation, so they hush, hush, hide it. People don't even know about it. So, as I was trying to ask the lands, what can I do for it? And I'm working on the lands and I'm on, you know, our home land on the reservation and saying, what can I do?

Uh, pipeline three is now fighting literally for our lands. They're literally taking water from the, uh, river that I go and to, and call [01:17:00] home on, on the exact land that we have. So I'm, I'm really, you know, I, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. How can I help this? You know, I can't just stand and protest.

It's not doing enough. So I, I got on my hands and knees and I prayed and I asked what I needed to do and God and the ancestors sent me on a journey to pick up different mushrooms and different, uh, things from the lands and whatnot. And they had me put it in a jar. So we put it in a jar. Uh. I worked with the wild rice and put the wild rice in the jar also to make sure that it worked with the wild rice, just followed by spirit and kept doing for four years, you know, adding frequency, adding light, throwing it in the snow, putting it in the sun, doing all of this different stuff.

And what ended up happening is that it all came together as a full spectrum fungi. So now we have yeast and mold and mycelium working together in a way we've never seen 'em work together. Usually they [01:18:00] fight each other, but together they have this symbiotic relationship that's working. And what it specifically does is it goes after the oil on top of the waters.

So, uh, we have been placing it in d in different waters, trying different, um, even petroleum, gas, styrofoam, uh, light plastics. And so far this, um. This, we're calling it a microbial. I, I say it's a fungi because it's full of fungi, but science calls it a microbial. Um, my oleum is what we call it, which means the mycelium that eats oil off of water.

So in a hundred percent of all the studies that we've done and anytime we've inoculated water that has, uh, oil, this mycelium comes together. Actually, I'll go get it for you. Hang on. I have one at home. 

Kara Goodwin: Alright.

Melissa Jolly Graves: Um, so this is, [01:19:00] this is water. This is oil on top of it.

And this is the, um, oleum here. And what this does is that once you, once it's inoculated, it does what's called an interface. So it will actually build an entire system that separates the water and the oil. Now mind you, the water that was in here was just to this line. So only here and down at this specific line is where the water was.

All the rest of this is oil. So you can see that it's eating through and trying its best to turn it back to water. And so it's gonna trust that water system. So what it does is it builds one interface and then it builds another, it pulls the oil in here, goes between the interface here. Once it's done processing it drops it underneath it.

And so that does that. And every system that we've done this one, um. Let's see where my water line, the water line was right here. And this one has not worked it's [01:20:00] way up. Now this one has been about six months. Uh, so it is a little slower process, but at least it's better than nothing. We're trying to figure out a way to open it up so every, uh, you know, to speed it.

But what it does is it builds these interfaces. Once it's done eating and it cannot process any more oil, it drops the interface. So the interface comes down here and it makes another one, and then it allows for that energy. But it is breathing, it is getting, you know, oxygen and whatnot in there. So it drops down.

So my hope is, uh, we have to test this for seven years. We're now on the third year, so we have four more years to go to make sure that it's going to be safe for the ecosystem, that it's okay for, uh, you know, the, the birds and the fish and the, and, uh, everything to see if we can. Drop it in. But if we do this and we do this process correctly, and we also can find a way to speed it [01:21:00] up, we should be able to clear all the, the lake waters of oils.

And I in lake so far, I'm training it right now for the salt water. We haven't got it there. I can drop the spores. The spores were float, but they won't actually come together. Uh 

Kara Goodwin: oh. Because it uses salt water. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. The salt's killing it. So I'm, I'm training in brack water, so we have it working a little bit, but it's a very slow process in the Brock Water.

Uh, but I'm hoping that once we get. That going, then we can start to get the oceans and stuff. Oh, I love your kitty. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, my cat's name is River, so this is really interesting that we are talking about this lake water. And she, like I said, like this is so unusual. She just was like, let me in, let me in. And she's purring so loudly and she really wanted to see that mushroom fun, the fungi.

So, um, [01:22:00] anyway, yeah, she wanted to see you. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah, I'm a cat person. I, I the cat universe is real. Is it is really real. Uh, we. We have seven cats now, but we've been up to 10 where, and I think we're getting another one because we have one that keeps coming to the house. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, 

Melissa Jolly Graves: wow. But we're just the house that all the cats just walk to, and then suddenly we have more cats, or we find them in ditches.

We're out in the country areas, so a lot of cats will have, um, babies, you know, or get run over by a car or something. And so you'll find their kittens on the side of the road. And we've, we've gotten a lot. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you for showing us what that creation and talking us through it, because that is, it's phenomenal.

It's so amazing that you've been able to it so organically working with spirit to come up with a solution for something that. Feels so big, [01:23:00] you know, and, and so it, it's, it can be really easy to feel helpless, and I love what you've brought in about the, the way that the, the, uh, American Indians have worked with the land and how they have, you know, brought spirit into it and integrated spirit into the, the matrix of the land and the, there, there's a lot that you talked about there in terms of how that's kind of been inverted or of subverted or, or whatever, to be able to, you know, have the problem that we have right now.

So, bless you for bringing the solution and, and all of your assistance for that. That's so important. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Thank you. Thank you. Anything I can do? 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: I always say I'm not here for me on earth, although I'm having a lot of fun, but 

Kara Goodwin: good. Yeah. Well, Melissa, I [01:24:00] am, I'm so grateful. I, I have loved this discussion. I hope that you'll come back so we, because we have so many things we could talk about.

Um, please tell people how they can find out about your work and all the projects that are coming up and remind us about your book and, and so forth. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Alright. Uh, well all my books are on Amazon, so you can just check up Melissa Jolly Graves and you'll see them on there. Uh, they're wonderful books with 25 other or 24 other, uh, healers.

So we collaborate to have stories and tools to help you, uh, gain connection to yourself in the outside world and your spirituality. Otherwise, uh. Euphoric source. www.euphoricsource.com is my main, uh, website. You can find all of my stuff there. I do. Let's be telepathy, uh, with BEE, like a B 'cause they, Melissa means be, and also they have a lot of telepathy.

Uh, that will be on YouTube. You could also join our [01:25:00] weekly zooms on Facebook under Let's be Telepathy. They are listed there and you can hop on, ask any questions or talk about whatever. Uh, so there's also, let's be telepathy@gmail.com. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. Yeah. And the documentaries that you've mentioned, when will they be coming out?

Melissa Jolly Graves: I believe the. Water Wisdom telepathy. That will probably be out in the end of 2026 or the beginning of 2027. Uh, I have another documentary that's kind of hush hush, uh, that one we are waiting to just, uh, to bomb the world with it. But that one's coming out in 2026. And so, uh, yeah. And then 2027 should be Energy Unveiled and that will be the Science Behind Energy also.

So I have three of them coming out. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. [01:26:00] 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Yeah. They'll all be on my website. 

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And that's Euphoric source? 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Eufor source.com. Oh, yep. , 

Kara Goodwin: Good. Well, thank you so much once again. It's such a joy and honor. I am really grateful. Bless you for all the work that you're doing. 

Melissa Jolly Graves: Bless you too. And thank you so much for having me today. It's been wonderful.

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