503. Elevate Your Consciousness & Breathe Into Your Awakening - Leo Marrs

Leo Marrs

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Kara Goodwin: Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding Your Ascension to New heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I just finished recording this episode with Leo Mars and I'm still buzzing. We had a really exciting discussion around consciousness, starting with his spontaneous spiritual awakening.

Leo's path has taken him down, both philosophical as well as grounded in practical paths to expanding his consciousness, and you get a flavor of both in this episode.

I particularly loved what he shared about the psychedelic like experiences he's had via breathwork and how his Ether app can assist you in experiencing this for yourself. Leo Mars is a founder, philosopher and consciousness explorer who bridges spiritual wisdom with practical creation in the emerging meaning economy.

Raised in the wilds of Alaska.

Leo's Path has spanned from award-winning [00:01:00] entrepreneur to breathwork, pioneer, and founder of Ether, a platform for nervous system regulation through active breathing.

His guiding philosophy, evolution by intelligent design emerged from a life-changing consciousness expansion at age 27, blending ancient wisdom with futurist insight. Leo's work explores how presence, natural intelligence, and conscious creativity can shape both personal and creative evolution.

In this episode, we talk about the human technological possibilities relating to visualization, which is really fascinating timing for me. As I have just released as of the recording of this, a new earth meditation, which you can get for free on kara goodwin.com.

Look under the free resources section for this 12 minute meditation, which will help you focus in on a powerful future state, which through your imagination. You can magnetize into our reality as more of us collectively tune into a [00:02:00] brighter, healthier future for our planet and all sentient life here, we accelerate its arrival.

Leo and I discuss this further in the episode, so let's get into it right now. Enjoy this episode.

Kara Goodwin: Well, welcome, Leo. I'm really excited to meet you and get to talk today about consciousness and all of the many topics that you bring to the table. So thanks so much for being here.

Leo Marrs: Yeah, I am excited. Let's do this.

Kara Goodwin: So I wanna start with your life changing consciousness expansion experience. Let's talk about what made you what, what caused this focus on consciousness and all of the topics that you are interested in. Now, I.

Leo Marrs: That's a great place to start. 'cause really that's where I would say like real life path seemed to have begun. Uh, at the time I was 27 years old and this was kind of the big, the big awakening, the biggest one I've I've had yet. [00:03:00] Um, I, at the time I was running a nightclub and four star restaurant in Denver.

I was very. Kind of caught up in materialism and, um, entrepreneurship and money and recognition. Um, I was visiting my father in Alaska for about a week, just kind of getting away from my life and taking a little break, and it was about 6 45 in the morning. I'm in the shower and out of nowhere I. Slipped into an altered state of consciousness, um, completely, you know, sober.

I had never, at that time, had never used any form of psychedelics, mushrooms, or anything like that. And, um, I would say I was probably in the state for maybe a couple of minutes before I became aware. Of what was happening when I started. So it was a, essentially a state of thoughtlessness. Um, [00:04:00] in, in retrospect, I can see that it was probably the first time I had ever experienced a state of total thoughtlessness, and I think that was probably really the like. I don't know if it was the, it was probably the mechanism of action, if you will, that that provided this very, you know, profound experience. I, when I became aware of, of what was happening, I was kind of just staring at the shower curtain kind of fluttering almost like in a trance, just staring like through the shower curtain. It felt as though all I had ever known was the bottom of the deepest ocean. I had some like, you know, the pressure and just like way, so the contrast was, was that all I had known was the bottom of the deepest ocean, and I had somehow spontaneously shot up to the surface and. Taking this, you know, first gasp of air. Um, as I started to become aware of it, um, it, it started to kind of dilate. So [00:05:00] it was like, as I, as my brain began to go, what is going on here? I could feel it contract. And it was so kind of precious I. And I had never really had any form of spiritual practice or, or meditation training or really mind training. I was able to my, my thoughts about it and expand back into the state. I. The qualities of the state were that of, um, expansiveness, essentially my sense of self, um, wasn't located, um, in this body. It was, it wasn't an out of body experience. I was still, you know, looking through my eyes. But it, it, it was as though my sense of self was permeating my perception.

So filling the bathroom beyond the walls of the bathroom, beyond the walls of the house, beyond the stratosphere of the earth, know, filling the entire, you know, the entire Uh, my perception, I. one of the only other qualities [00:06:00] other than that like really kind of like, ugh, just that like of almost like genie outta the bottle, you know, just like, oh my gosh.

Wow. Um, was a sense of. It was a knowing that I could kind of just effortlessly exhale a universe into existence. This the sense of really profound creativity and potency, and it's not something that, that quality is something in the early days I would reference when talking about the experience, but it's actually been probably a decade. Since I've really, I, I've remembered that part of it. and I think it's actually probably even more profound and relevant to my ilk sense than the expansion and the sense of I am, I am, that sense of creativity and potency. So I expanded back into that state for maybe another two minutes I had somehow, I guess I had the [00:07:00] intuition.

I knew like, okay, like I'm gonna go back into my ordinary state now. And so what I did, I've kind of got a history of doing this from the time I was a little kid. I'll, I'll like, I'll like tag the trees if you will. You know how like if you're lost, I. In the woods, like you want to create reference points. So I, I kind of seared it into my brain. I said, Leo, never forget this is possible in this life. And p kind of went

Kara Goodwin: to normal.

Leo Marrs: my ordinary state. Yep. Finished my shower, got outta the shower. I was drying off and I, I noticed the towel against the flesh of my leg. And I went, oh. That just happened

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Leo Marrs: the bathroom floor weeping in Joy, just

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Leo Marrs: my gosh.

It is a new world.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. I love how you bring [00:08:00] the child like you. You touched on the child. You know, um, aspect of, of part of that where it's like, okay, this is what I've done since I was a child. So in order to remember things, but what I was getting also while you were talking about this, because I, I haven't had like the, the same experience, but I've had experiences like that.

Um, and it's. There's always a remembrance element to it of like being a baby, and it's not necessarily like I distinctly remember being a baby, but there is this link of. A remembrance of this is what it's like. This is what it was like before I learned how to be in this society and how to be like my own person.

It was just experience, like literally just moment to moment. This is what this [00:09:00] moment is, and there's no judging of it. There's just response and there's just observation. And that's what I, I mean, it's just such a beautiful experience to be able to have, and it, to me, hearkens back to the purity and the innocence.

And I feel that that's such a big part of my, my path, at least speaking for myself, is going back to the innocence of being a child, going, remembering the, the remembering of like, oh my gosh, this is what it was like, and. And that's so pure and it's such, and it's so close, you know, it's so, it's so close.

It's so much a part of who we are as well. Um, yeah.

Leo Marrs: feel you,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Leo Marrs: it's always a remembering, even, even like reading, you know, great. Let's say philosophy or metaphysics, or cosmology. To me it's always like, always like, well, I, I knew this. Like, this resonates with my [00:10:00] knowing.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Leo Marrs: that remembering,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah. So, so where, where did that take you in terms of, you have this experience, but it's such a contrast to what you're used to in your everyday life when you're in Denver. How, how did things keep progressing to where you, you know, breath work became part of it? You started understanding the role of the nervous system and, and,

Leo Marrs: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and myth and all of this.

Like where, where did it take you?

Leo Marrs: Yeah, well that's a great question. And um, you know, really the next day, this was in 2009, the following day I was on Google and I don't remember what my search was, but I had no context. So it had to have been some kind of like, you know, WTF just happened to me. I know, I'm like, I'm trying to like. Check, check my brain and see if like, I'm, I haven't gone crazy or, or something. And I, I [00:11:00] stumbled upon the work of an American philosopher named Ken Wilbur. Are you familiar with Ken's work? Integral

Kara Goodwin: sound? What? What was that? Sorry,

Leo Marrs: Integral Theory,

Kara Goodwin: I don't think so, but, but Ken Wilber sounds familiar, but I haven't gone deep into it. If, if I've come across it.

Leo Marrs: Um, so yeah, I found this integral theory and basically I found, um, there's an aspect of this model. It's essentially a theory of everything. It's a meta theory. I. it's, it, you know, kind of by and large considered to be the most comprehensive meta theory. Um, it literally, um, Ken at the age of about 14, had this deep knowing that like nobody, he says it this way.

He says, nobody is smart enough to produce 100% error.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm, that's intriguing.

Leo Marrs: Very intriguing. Yes. So it is a, it is a, a, a mammoth of, of an academic meta theory. That is, um, yeah, he's developed over the last 50 years of writing. [00:12:00] Um. But in integral theory, there's this part of integral theory that talks about stage states and stages. And essentially what integral theory is, is a synthesis of, of developmental models more or less. and so it, it's, I. Um, in, in the states and stages conception, it's talking about, it's basically referencing a combination of spiral dynamics and something that's now called the Wilbur Combs Matrix. But basically what the states and stages concept is, is that, um, it says that states, all the human states that we describe, like throughout, you know, the millennia, are ever present.

Almost like as you were saying earlier, like it's already there. It's a remembering. It's before the personality. before the ego before thought. So states are more, you could think of them as horizontal, they're accessible to all of us.

Kara Goodwin: So give an example of a state.

Leo Marrs: Well, um, you could say [00:13:00] like, I like to use like that shower experience. I, I view as a non-dual experience.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Leo Marrs: And, you know, anytime that we have a thought, really a thought, it provides a, a kind of reference point in our. our consciousness that that creates a sense of this versus that. Um, you know, you could say like, you know, the Garden of Eden, we ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and thus we begin to feel a separation with nature. So I. Um, you know, Buddha Nature, there's, there's all sorts of different descriptions. Tota, um, what I experienced in the shower would be considered like a Ken show in, uh, Zen Buddhism, um, Christ consciousness, pure love. I am, you know, and there's so many different variations of that. Um, so. We can experience these states regardless of our developmental stage, but we will interpret them through the lens of our stage.

So you can think of stages as like [00:14:00] vertical, you know, in this case whole or sequential, um, kind of levels of development

Kara Goodwin: And when you talk about development or when he talks about development, that would be in regards of like spiritual development.

Leo Marrs: Um, you know, and typically like, so one of the things integral theory draws on, um, are, um, lines of development. So spiritual would be one of, in Ken's view, uh, at least 26 concrete lines of development. So spiritual would be defined in, in that model, would be considered having to do with matters of ultimate concern. Who am I or what am I? Where did, where did I come from? Where did we come from? What's happening here? Where's it all going? How do I live a good life?

Kara Goodwin: And what would be some other developmental, um, stages as examples? Um.

Leo Marrs: And so all of these lines are essentially moving through stages. And you'll see that if you, if you were to look up [00:15:00] integral theory on, you know, Google images, you would see, basically, you would see concentric circles.

You would see quadrants, and then you would see lines moving through those.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Leo Marrs: So other lines would be like, and, and to speak to your question about like. Spiritual development, that would be an aspect. the kind of primary lines, or you could say like the leader lines in these, and particularly in spiral dynamics would be cognition.

Cognition is generally considered to be the, the leader line. So, and cognition in that model is defined as what I am aware of. Being aware of what I know that I know. And, um, typically the reason why cognition is considered the kind of governor line is because you kind of first have to be aware of something before you can. Really do anything about it. And often, like it'll take, for example, and, and, and now tying it back to what happened afterwards, um, I went back to my nightclub [00:16:00] it was in like maybe five weeks. It was gonna be St. Patrick's Day. And this was when like greening your, your restaurant was not trendy. It was not like I'd never heard of someone else doing it. what I did is I told my staff, we're gonna spend the next month greening the venue

Kara Goodwin: And so, what do you mean? What do you mean by greening? Is that like ecologically?

Leo Marrs: Yes.

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Leo Marrs: I was shifting from basically ego-centric, materialistic, empirical, kind of scientism, strive drive in spiral dynamics to this postmodern, it's actually. the color green in spiral dynamics. So environmentalism, my, my, my circle of care, you could say had widened to include the planet and, and that experience in the shower was the kind of trigger for

Kara Goodwin: Mm. Okay.

Leo Marrs: yeah, I, [00:17:00] um, I threw a going green party for St. Patrick's Day. My staff was like, alright, man, like, Leo's gone a little crazy, but like, we'll go with it. It wasn't cool. So brought, it wasn't like they, nobody was upset about it, but they're like, okay, whatever, man. Um, you know, we brought in composting bins in the back and recycling and started using, you know, so, so we totally re-engineered the menu and started sourcing locally.

Kara Goodwin: Well, it's fascinating because this happened around St. Patrick's Day and if we, I know that you know that we've got listeners from around the world. And so not everybody's like entrenched in what we do in America, and I'm guessing also in Ireland. Um, but there is, you know, green is a big color. With St.

Patrick's Day, you've got, you know, green beer, green fountains, like depending on how into it, different. People are, or cultures are.

leo_1_05-07-2025_093135: Yep.

Kara Goodwin: Um, so it's just really funny, this whole like, oh, we're going green. I'm sure your staff is like, okay, green beer [00:18:00] or green food items. And then it's like, Nope, we're going bigger than that.

You know? So it's fascinating.

Leo Marrs: yeah, yeah. Started bringing in herbal infused vodkas, uh, hosting free candlelit yoga on

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Leo Marrs: floor of the venue. Yeah. So it was a really strange kind of transition. And thankfully I got a call from, um, some, uh, restaurateurs out of New York that, that were, uh, had been visiting the venue and they.

When they came through town and kind of initiated a sale, they said we wanna buy it. Um, ultimately my partners, um, kind of bought me out of that, but that sent me on a journey to really go deep. Um, I got a one-way ticket to, uh, to Argentina and spent several months on the beaches of kind of, you know, in jungles of South and Central America.

Reading like Joe Dispenza and metaphysics and stuff, trying to figure out, you know, what to do from here. But to be honest, that really kind of [00:19:00] threw me into a, a pretty deep depression.

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Leo Marrs: see now I, I didn't have any ground underneath me anymore. I didn't have a persona to, to lean on or to identify with. So I went into a very deep state of confusion for several years. it took me a long time to, to figure out my way from there. I ended up spending, um, kind of getting invited into this philosopher's life and spending, uh, quite a bit of time with him in his home with his assistants and editors and getting kind of like a direct transmission. I was very interested, always compelled by creativity. To me, it's like creativity is of the primary ways that you could say like, we make love to the universe, or we participate with, you know, the cosmos. So creativity has always been very deep to my perspective. And then breath came along. Um, in 2015, I was [00:20:00] invited to a breath work class in Venice, California, um, had gone through a, a couple of periods of pretty intense like, psychedelic use, uh, where I would like fast for 24 hours and then do a heroic dose of, you know, mushrooms or LSD in my own personal space. And, um, was really excited to find something that. Was not, you know, external. I didn't have to ingest it or pay the price of, you know, uh, lost sleep or digestive issues. and, and still have these like profound revelatory transcendent experiences.

Kara Goodwin: So tell us, oh, sorry. Go ahead. Keep going.

Leo Marrs: Oh, just several years later.

I'm just trying to wrap up 'cause this is a very long-winded answer to your

Kara Goodwin: No, it's all very good.

Leo Marrs: later, um, opened the breath studio.

Kara Goodwin: Awesome. So let's talk about that. It's fascinating when you talk about how you are reaching altered states of consciousness [00:21:00] through psychedelics and then finding that you could do that through breath work. I'd love to hear more about. How, like what breath work? What types of breath work do you find most helpful in reaching altered states?

What type of breath work do you practice on a day-to-day basis? What? What can you share with us about that?

Leo Marrs: Yeah, that's a great question. Um, you know, my, my elk is, is kind of toward the, what I would consider, like transformative breath work where, you know, you're, you're laying down. I rarely do breathing practices, sitting up, laying down, and doing like. You know, least like a, you know, you can get to some pretty, pretty wow places in under a minute if you sequence the, the breathing right.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Leo Marrs: Um, but I prefer the kind of like four to 45 minute

Kara Goodwin: Four to four to four to 45. That's a big [00:22:00] range.

Leo Marrs: It is a big range. Yeah. Well, it, for me, it has a lot to do with time.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Leo Marrs: know, if I, if I'm short on time, I'll do a four or eight minute. kind of sequence, but, but yeah, it's about, for me, it's laying down. It's always a rhythm. And I've come to believe, I used to, to kind of have different theories about why is it doing this. I really think that it has more to do with the rhythm, kind of even out the static of our stressful, modern life that is kind of a doorway into meditation and into a state of, of stillness, more or less. Um. So, yeah, I prefer, like, I'll do a combination like my daily practice, um, is kind of similar to a Wim Hof style breath.

I have, um, in my, in my app, my breathing app, I have, um, they're called flows and essentially it's, uh, stacked sequences of connected breathing. [00:23:00] With, uh, kind of specifically kind of designed holds that will create a kind of cleansing, a washing of the nervous system. Um, but I'm also like a very much a fan of, and at the studio, the, the almost, almost the only type of breath that we did was a holotropic breathing, so belly chest release down. Belly chest release, know, for, I'm sure you've probably done that

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Leo Marrs: for 30, 30, 30 plus minutes, and that's when you really get into the deep, you know, it can be emotional release or ecstasy, et cetera. I,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah. It can make your hands do funny things. Like one of the side effects for me, I've, I've experienced like my hands going numb and kind of like they take, they just like lift up on their own and they're like all kind of. [00:24:00] Frozen it feels like. And it's like what is happening with my hands? There was another time I was doing it and you know, we were all in a circle and I could have sworn that somebody was holding my hands and I was like, there was only one facilitator and I'm like.

There are people crying in here. There are people like she, I hope that she doesn't feel that she needs to keep holding my hand like she can attend to other people. And then I found out afterwards, she'd never touched my hand. I was like, well, who was holding my hand? You know,

leo_1_05-07-2025_093135: yeah,

Kara Goodwin: because then I thought, I asked the person next to me, I'm like, oh, were you holding my hand?

She's like, no, I never held your hand. But it did feel like you were holding my hand too, you know, or somebody was. So it's amazing.

Leo Marrs: The lobster claw. I,

Kara Goodwin: Yes, the obstacles. So that's a known,

leo_1_05-07-2025_093135: Yep.

Kara Goodwin: known phenomenon I guess.

Leo Marrs: Mm-hmm. And that's actually a result of, um, uh, basically we're offgassing, uh, let's see here, [00:25:00] offgassing, CO2. So we're, we're, uh, oxygen or CO2. You know, it's wild about the breath is that different sequences will do different things. So I believe that's the off-gassing of. That's actually the lowering of oxygen, I believe. Don't quote

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Leo Marrs: but sometimes, like for the longest time, you know, I thought like, oh yeah, we're, we're like hyper oxygenating the blood. the truth is, truth is typically we're actually offgassing, uh, CO2 and du we're, we're basically reducing oxygen in the blood.

Kara Goodwin: I know like the, the blood has a very low tolerance for its pH threshold so that the, you know, we change the pH of the blood and it kicks off all of these processes within the body to. Cleanse and, and do all sorts of things. It's all very mysterious. So how can people, because you mentioned your app, [00:26:00] so it sounds like you have tools that people can access, this type of your knowledge and the practices that, that you share, that they can maybe access this in their own time at home.

Tell us about the app and the opportunities there.

Leo Marrs: Yeah, so, yep. So I'm, um, I've got a, um, an app called Ether, ETHR. Um, and, uh, basically it's, um. The best of what I know of what breathing can do, and it's really designed to be accessible for anyone. Um, really any age. It's, um, very easy to follow. The guidance is very simple and clean. and you can, you can, there's a seven day trial available.

You can go to Ether one E-T-H-R-O-E there's a free seven day trial there so they can check it out. But really it's designed, there's like two, two different. Types of breathing in there. [00:27:00] One is what are called flows, and that's essentially what I do on a daily basis. That's what I do before. I didn't have time today to do it before chatting with you, but typically I would've done that before chatting with you and to my center, kind of washed off any nervous energy or any tension that I'm holding on to. And then, um, and then the other part are what are called shifts, and those are very unique types of breathing. It's a, it's a kind of a robust library and growing, um, different, you know, anywhere from like five minutes, there's one called, uh, zero point descent, which is like my favorite breath to do before sleep. like a five minute breath and it will just po like newborn baby vibes send you

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Leo Marrs: very deep sleep, all the way into like, you know, longer, 35, 40 minute deeper sessions. yeah, they can check it out at Ether One and do a a seven day trial.

Kara Goodwin: That's awesome. And is there like a [00:28:00] holotropic breathing? Is that part of it or, yeah,

Leo Marrs: Yeah,

Kara Goodwin: I.

Leo Marrs: there are, uh, a number of different, uh, sessions in there that are employing the three part breath, the holotropic breath.

Kara Goodwin: Which is more conducive to like for people who want to reach altered states or explore the breadth in terms of its abilities to connect them more spiritually.

Leo Marrs: You know, actually what, what's wild is that I always kind of felt like some of the sequences, like I actually get to some pretty wild states, uh, with the flows, those daily flows,

Kara Goodwin: Oh, okay.

Leo Marrs: the timing, the timing of I. The timing of, uh, way that, that, the way that it's designed, um, you will access altered states with those daily flows and, and really I would say all of them, I would say like in in the Ether app, the, the three part holotropic breath is gonna be more about like processing emotions, um,

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Leo Marrs: through, you know, [00:29:00] something, you know, challenging in life or just kind of wanting to unearth some deeper stuff.

Kara Goodwin: Okay, so can you, let's just, if you think off the top of your head, some of the flows that listeners, like, if they're like, oh my gosh, I could have, I don't necessarily need to take mushrooms. How can I use this app to help me? What are a few of the flows or a couple of the flows that you would recommend for people to try?

Leo Marrs: Let's see. So there's, you know, again, the, the flows are the daily, the daily practices, and those kind of, that kind of goes from like four minutes up to, I think the longest one is 25 minutes. And that really will help you also kind of build your, your VO O2 max or more or less like your cardiovascular health.

So it gets progressively challenging. The holds get progressively longer. so that's a good way to kind of like. Build a daily practice and, and, uh, you know, improve cardiovascular health. So the [00:30:00] other, you know, that other section is that, is the shifts. Um, there's a couple in particular that I really enjoy.

One is called, um, system Reset, and I wanna say that's 20 minutes. there is another one. There's another one. Um.

Kara Goodwin: I think Cosmo endorses that one too. He's like,

Leo Marrs: He

Kara Goodwin: yeah,

Leo Marrs: he wanted to

Kara Goodwin: yeah.

Leo Marrs: tell the listeners. Um, yeah, there's another one called, uh, it starts with an m slipping my mind off the top of my head. But really what's in there in those shifts, those are the most potent sequences I've found, uh, over the course of, you know, seven years of practicing. And doing all the different YouTube breathwork and having literally hundreds of facilitators come through my studio. So, I, I

Kara Goodwin: That's wonderful.

Leo Marrs: all, all the sequences there.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Beautiful. Well, I know that you [00:31:00] also, one of your passions is work as a futurist. So, or your, um, one of your interests. First of all, what do you mean by futurist?

Leo Marrs: Yeah, I would say, and that's a, that's kind of a, a tricky like, passion to have in a way. As, as someone who's very like, like I consider myself a mystic, and I, I, I understand the, the importance of presence and being in the moment. And I think for me as a creator, as a, it is a. know, kind of, you know, uh, almost to a fault.

You know, I have an aeros that is just, I cannot stop. Stop moving, stop building and creating. It can be really challenging. Like how do you, how do you live in the present and, and create change in the future and anticipate a future. So that's something that, that came online just after the experience in the shower. Um, I [00:32:00] came across, um, a lecture from Deepak Chopra on YouTube and he was telling the group in the room, he's like, look, like I know, you know, many of us want to be. Luddites or neo Luddites and like technology is synthetic. It's not natural. You know, it's, it's destroying, you know, society. Certainly social media has had some negative impacts on society. Um, but it's not going anywhere. And I. You guys in this room, if you aren't engaging technology, we will, we will go to a, you know, live into a dystopian future. so for me, like the interest in what is unfolding came online, I. A combination of when I, when I saw that from, from Deepak and that just resonated, made sense. And then also discovered kind of the world of futurism and technology through Ray Kurzweil's work. I read the book, the [00:33:00] Singularity as Near, and it's like, wow, we've got until like 20, 30, 20 32 for all of this to happen. If I'm not participating, uh, or employing these technologies, um, you know, then we're gonna have, know, everyone else in, you know, um, China and, and you know, um, bad actors and, you know, we're gonna have to counter that.

We're in, we're in a bit of a, you know, spiritual. Spiritual war. Um, on some level I don't necessarily see it as like a war. I see it, you know, as light and darkness, you know, doing their dance as they've always done.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Well, and so when you think about being a futurist, is that always. Centered around technology because it's, it's really an interesting timing that we're, we happen to be recording this at this time because last week I, um, put out a free new, new Earth meditation and [00:34:00] it's really about utilizing our creative power.

Our visualization power or our ability to imagine a future and what does that look like? And I didn't even go into the technology, like I am talking about like picture the skies. Like the skies are free and clear and it's, they're, you know. Bright blue, you know, the, the water is clean and the sea life is thriving and prolific, and the land is healthy, and the mineral kingdom is, you know, and just keep going with like, what is our strongest future and let's tune into that.

And then let's use our creative power to say this is what reality is, and we pull that in. And let the universe kind of work the details out. You know, and maybe we're a part of how, you know, for some people they will be a part of what, how we get there. And for others, like that's not where their skillset is.

But they're very [00:35:00] strong creators in the, in terms of consciousness. So I really love this perspective as well of. Technology and utilizing technology and how our participation in it creates it, you know, helps to create it. But can you talk a little bit more about technology and, and, and how that plays in?

Leo Marrs: Yeah, absolutely. And that sounds like an amazing, uh, visualization practice. I would love to know where can I go do that?

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, yeah, it's just on my website, which is kara goodwin.com. It's just a free offering, so, um, I think it, there's just a little link at the bottom. In fact, it might just bring up a popup that says like, just, you know, here, you can get, get it here and then,

Leo Marrs: that.

Kara Goodwin: okay. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you.

Leo Marrs: Um, and, you know, actually, so vi uh, the, the visual space, has been very central to the development of my, my own kind of frameworks and design [00:36:00] philosophy. It's, it's, to me, it's very clear that, in fact, I think visualization is going to be. One of the biggest, um, let's say technologies in the, um, let's say, uh, personal development, conscious evolution space,

Kara Goodwin: So you mean the ability for people to visualize within their own creative flow?

Leo Marrs: Yes,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Leo Marrs: And, and particularly because we know, you know, the, the, the, you know, and this is gonna sound a little technical for a second, but the center of apprehension of any system you could say the nucleus or the brain, the nervous system, dictates the use of resources of that system. over, over time, changes the physical. Topography of that system.

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Leo Marrs: always had an inclination towards the evolution of consciousness. If I can do one thing, it's like, okay, yeah, I'm not gonna spend my life cleaning up the oceans, because that is an affect. That is a downstream byproduct of shifts in consciousness, shifts in [00:37:00] perspective, stages of development. So I'm gonna put my energy into the evolution of. Consciousness of perspective. Um, and so I, I do believe that in fact, visualization is something, if I had 48 hours in the day, I would be moving this forward a lot faster. But I think visualization is, is probably one of the most powerful technologies. In fact, there's a, a sociologist, um, who's now long passed.

There's a very rare book textbook that is out of print called The Image of the Future, and he said. When the dominant images of a society are anticipatory, they lead social development and provide direction for social change. They have, as it were, a magnetic pull towards the future.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, I've got chills. I mean, that's exactly what I've said in all of the, you know, where I'm like, please get this and use it so we can magnetize this future because we're creating.

Leo Marrs: yes,

Kara Goodwin: Whether we mean to or not, so, and I had a, um, a [00:38:00] beautiful friend of mine who's a very talented author and writer, and she downloaded it and did it last night.

And I got a text from her and she's like, oh my God, thank you. I, I never think to use my imagination in this way. You know, it's like, I, I love to imagine, but I forget that I can use it to like, imagine an amazing future, you know? And, and I was like, well, I'm glad that you're turned onto this now because you do have such a powerful imagination.

And the more powerful our imagination is, the more we're, we're calling in, what we're thinking about, you

Leo Marrs: Yes,

Kara Goodwin: know?

Leo Marrs: Yeah. And that, you know, that ties into, um, where we're at in, you know, technological evolution because we're, you know, the, the power and the, the, the impact is floating to the imagination. It's all about now that's all about the prompt. What can you, uh, essentially whatever you can imagine can [00:39:00] be real.

And, and we're within. You know, 7, 8, 7, 8 years of that being 100% true.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Leo Marrs: we used to say, you know, to kids or even adults, you could, you'd say like, if you could do anything and you know, you know, let's say money wasn't an issue or you knew you wouldn't fail, what would you do? This is becoming totally real. Um, so that, that to me is, is the most advanced technology right now, is imagination. There's also one key element that I think we miss in pop, kind of like, let's, let's just call it like new age spirituality or postmodern spirituality, and that is plausibility. So if you're imagining something that like, let's say it's just. little too far out for you to really believe it, likely of you being able to kind of follow through on that, or let's say manifest that into your world is gonna go down the less probable it is. [00:40:00] So I've learned that one of the keys is imagining things, um, in a way that, that I can believe on like a somatic level.

It's like, oh yeah, yeah, totally.

Kara Goodwin: Okay, so that's fascinating. So if you can't get your, like you'd love it, but you can't possibly fathom that it's possible, then it has less power. But if you can, if you can bring it a little bit closer to be like, okay, maybe that's too far out right now, but there's something that is closer that you can more, you can, you can get on board with like, okay, I could see that happening.

Then that's what you really wanna focus on.

Leo Marrs: Yes.

Kara Goodwin: I love it.

Leo Marrs: it almost practical to man. It's like, boom. Done.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. I.

Leo Marrs: there's something that I like to, and maybe I'll share this here, 'cause I, I find it really valuable. I call it the meta question. basically like what I've learned, like being, being someone who like, is [00:41:00] almost like, you know, uh. In a way, being, being super visionary can be a burden, um, because it's like always this grand utopia in the future. Um, and then going through just like the, the twists and turns of, you know, the process of manifesting a life of, of work or whatever. Um, I've, I've come to really get to a place where I'm like, just put the next foot in front of the other foot.

You can hold that vision, but just right now. Don't get overwhelmed by that. Put your next foot in front of the other. I, what I love to do is called the meta question. And um, this will essentially unstick unstick you regardless of what you're dealing with. So I. Anytime that we an ask a question, the answer exists.

Like, by nature of asking the question, we've now essentially created the answer. It's just a matter of when is that answer gonna come into our [00:42:00] awareness. So one thing I really like to do that kind of supports this, this kind of process of, of manifesting in a more practical way, the meta question is, what question if I asked would give me an answer? That would allow me to move forward in this area of my life. So within, in my experience, within usually about 48 hours, the question, the right question arise and I'll go, okay, and I'll ask that question. And then again, within another 24, usually 24 hours, it's like, boop. Okay, cool. I'm unstuck.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Leo Marrs: that, that, that very practical one foot in front of the other, hold the vision and hold visions. You know, you can hold those really grand utopian visions for your life and for society. but don't get overwhelmed by them.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. That's beautiful. You know, I could talk to you [00:43:00] for hours and hours and hours and there's a lot on my list that we didn't get to, but I. I feel like this is a great place to wrap things up. And, and I would just ask you, you know, we've covered a lot of amazing topics and a lot of ways for people to enrich their lives, but if I ask you like, what's one key takeaway that you wanna leave with somebody who's watching or listening today for them to live a more purposeful life or to put one foot in front of the other, what, what comes to mind for you?

Leo Marrs: I would say. Presence. Being in the moment fully is the doorway to and the access point of everything we could ever dream of being our most intelligent, funny, brilliant, wise, self is in the moment waiting [00:44:00] for us. So. Use your breath as an anchor, not manipulating the breath, just coming back to the breath to anchor yourself in the moment. Listen to your soma and live from that place. That's

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. Good. That's great. So tell people how they can connect with your work and learn more about you.

Leo Marrs: Yeah, you could go to, my main website is Leo Mars with two rs.com, and then there you'll be able to access the different things I've got going on. I'm also, I'm writing this book, the New Creator, um, and I, I, on Saturdays I send a snippet of that book to my, uh, my email subscribers so they can sign up for free there if they want early access to the book. So.

Kara Goodwin: Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Leo. This has been such a rich [00:45:00] discussion. I've really enjoyed talking to you today.

Leo Marrs: Yeah, same. Kara. Thank you.

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