501. Mystical Awakening & Divine Light Transmission Healing - Chris Hancock

Mystical Awakening & Divine Light Transmission Healing - Chris Hancock

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Kara Goodwin: Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your Ascension to New Heights. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin.

I was so excited to connect with Chris Hancock in this episode. I had the pleasure of experiencing Chris's work a few days before we recorded, and I can attest to the power of the multidimensional divine light transmission. Among other things, I could sense the presence in my field that he was working with, and there were physical sensations and unusual movements on my side that told me something outta the ordinary was taking place.

And I go into this more in the episode. It was a gentle process, but also unusual compared to what I'm used to experiencing in meditation. I recommend you experience it for yourself. Chris has fascinating stories and insights to share about his own mystical awakening journey and how he uses spirit to work through him in his work, which we'll get into in this episode.

Chris [00:01:00] Hancock is a Nashville based therapist with 26 years of experience and founder of therapy outside the box. Following over a decade of conventional talk therapy, a profound spiritual awakening in 2018 shifted his work toward mysticism, gnosis, and the transpersonal path. Now working in direct collaboration with divine sources of love, light, and God consciousness, including Mother Mary, ,

chris serves as an initiative of unified, divine feminine and masculine hierarchies and co-creator of the multidimensional divine light transmission healing modality,

Chris offers a unique blend of deep, psychological, emotional, and spiritual healing through authentic divine connection, resulting in a mystical alchemical process. He calls transpersonal IFS.

So before we get into this, I wanna invite you to explore the beautiful array of resources waiting for you@caragoodwin.com. From my book, your Authentic Awakening to Powerful Free [00:02:00] Meditations, my Learn to Meditate course, and even personalized guided meditations created just for you. There's something there to support you no matter where you are on your spiritual path.

You can also sign up for my upcoming summits and workshops to connect with like-hearted souls and expand your consciousness in real time. And now, enjoy this episode. 

Kara Goodwin: Well, welcome Chris. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you today. Thanks for coming on, soul Elevation.

Chris Hancock: My absolute pleasure, Kara. Thank you.

Kara Goodwin: So let's start by talking about your spiritual awakening and what you experienced in 2018.

Chris Hancock: Yeah, right. That was the year. Okay. So again, I'm gonna try to be as concise 'cause that could be an incredibly long, detailed story, but I'll try to nuts and bolts it. The way I I've been describing it is that 2018 was really the touchdown where I was. Brought to my literal knees after [00:03:00] probably a decade of being in what I really just thought was just kind of burnout from work.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Chris Hancock: Um, and it was that,

Kara Goodwin: Work as a therapist.

Chris Hancock: Yeah. I'm a

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: 26 years in and for, you know, I began the career in 98, got my, got my degree in 2000, licensed in 2004. Been practicing more or less conventionally talk therapy, kind of old school. I've always been metaphysically and holistically minded.

Always a seeker since high school probably. But in terms of my career, for the bulk of it, up until about 2018, I was doing just more or less conventional talk therapy, individual one-on-one, and running therapy, long-term therapy groups, usually at night for many, many years. And for about that decade leading up to 2018, really burning out for a [00:04:00] whole number of reasons. You know, one was just that my soul was trying to tell me that there's much more for me to be doing.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Chris Hancock: And I was also, you know, I think sort of unconsciously sub subscribed to the old sort of puritanical ethic of just work harder, harder, harder, show up earlier, stay later, see everyone, right? I was anything but niche, if you know what I mean.

I was a generalist and really just seeing everyone that would come, um, and, uh, paid a price for that in, in many ways. So this, this slow burnout, this sort of insidious burnout. Um, and there were other factors to it too. My wife and I adopted two children, which is the most wonderful night thing ever, but as anyone knows, that's been through that.

It's a grueling and long process and expensive and lots of trips. And [00:05:00] all of that was part of just really burning out. But in 2018, I, it became clear to me. That, you know, when I started to have fantasies of chucking it all and just, you know, moving to Florida and open a crab shack and, start a completely different life and forget all this healing therapy business again.

Long story short, this is where I, I realized I started to intuit that there's, there's more about this that I really need to understand and there's only gonna be really one way through it. And that's to do what I had been always flirting with doing, but never fully committed to, which was just totally surrendering and sitting and meditating and praying and asking for help and clarity. that's what I started to do and I went pretty much all in on it. 'cause I knew that's if there's a solution and if there's clarity to be found. And a new way [00:06:00] forward, professionally and otherwise. It was the, that was the only way to go within and, and look up

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: open to receive. So I began that in earnest.

Really in earnest, committed for the first time. And it was not terribly long, and all I was really doing was just showing up, being open to receive, and asking only for clarity because I was exceptionally lost at that time. I really didn't know what was, what Is it just that my career's over, am I not supposed to be doing this anymore?

Is my marriage over? I didn't really, I was so lacking in clarity, so I just decided to focus on just that. Asking for that each day and just being open to receive. And before too long, um, I think the first thing I started to notice was that my body began rocking, mostly my head in the infinity symbol, which I noticed right away.

And I knew that that was meaningful [00:07:00] and that continued on. It's never stopped. And from the body rocking, which, you know, at first I thought, oh, it's just energy moving. it was. But it turns out not only that, I started to wonder, is this Kundalini? But I did not, and I'm not an expert at that then or now.

But I've worked with enough people who have had a whole variety of Kundalini arousals emergencies, awakenings, and none of what was going on for me in that time seemed to be that. And so I just continued on with it and then clarity started to come in ways that it's difficult to describe how until, I started to then. I, I, I was be getting messages, basically downloads, and they were a little faint at first until the one that came through at the very end of a sit one day, probably a couple of months into this commitment, this surrender [00:08:00] experiment, that first download at the very end, I was just getting ready to get up and all of a sudden, boom, it was, you are being given a gift of holy discernment. That's exactly how it came. And I thought, wow, I, I know one thing. I didn't make that up because I don't know what that means. Right? So, so that was kind of interesting, uh, confirmation that that was something from another source that was a true download or telepathic message or however you wanna think of that. Uh, I'd never put those two words together. Holy and discernment. I've never seen them written anywhere. People don't seem to be familiar with that as a phrase. I eventually put two and two together and it was funny because at that time I had some of the clarity came that was nudging me, dropping breadcrumbs into my field. And I picked up one of 'em to follow it [00:09:00] into training in a, in a, uh, kinda lesser known energy psychology method. It's called Ask and Receive, which grabbed me right away when I saw it pop up on my computer screen and, um, signed up, paid the fee, started training in that, and that was one thing that was just. me up and completely confirming that, okay, this is, this is a new path. This is the beginning of a new path and a new way to expand into where you are to be going, where your soul wants to go in this work and in life. And, um, and that method, like many energy psychology methods use muscle testing in the conventional way, kinesiological muscle testing.

So there's different ways we can do that. You know, there's the sort of arm test, the sway test, the finger test, which is really just a way of tapping your inner, knowing, your divine spark. give you truth or to separate truth from falsehood, right? Or to let you [00:10:00] know something that that is in your highest and best, good or isn't right? And that can be anything at all. So I was already doing this energy psych method with clients and those that were open to try something new, and I think I was just using arm test or finger test to get strong or weak. True or false. And probably a week or so into getting that holy discernment message. I started to notice that while I was doing the conventional testing, head began involuntarily nodding yes, true or left to right, no false along with the muscle testing. I thought, huh, that's weird. And again. I know that I'm not voluntarily doing that 'cause I had no thought to do such a thing. I was just using the conventional muscle testing that I, so, I don't know, maybe a week or so into just noticing that [00:11:00] phenomenon and then it became ever present. It would be, it was with me all the time and anytime.

I would just think intentionally a thought or a question. body in that way, kind of like a built-in pendulum would respond, and that's the gift of holy discernment. That was the practical application of it, is what I then put together, and that is what I use ever since then to discern. Who is with me?

So this goes back to the beginning of the surrender experiment with the body rocking and the infinity symbol. I started to realize this is not just energy moving through me. These are higher sources connecting with me to some degree and beginning to work with me and then using that. Yes, no, I could kind of make educated guesses about who that might be. And so what I began to realize in pretty short order from applying that pretty [00:12:00] religiously was that St. Germaine was coming in and I later figured out that he was coming in as kind of a gateway guide, like not to be what my one and only, but as sort of my entrance way into the whole higher realm echelon of. Of unified hierarchies, divine feminine, and divine masculine. I didn't know all of who yet That unfolded over

Kara Goodwin: How did you know? How did you pinpoint St. Germaine?

Chris Hancock: I, it just, the, the name came to me.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, okay.

Chris Hancock: Yeah. And I wasn't terribly familiar with him. I knew of that name. I sort of knew of the violet flame stuff, hadn't deep, deep dived that at all. it came to me. So then I started deep diving.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: Then, so it was St. Germaine coming in, and then I got that Maleek and Christ, and then later Mary more peripherally. I [00:13:00] was still in the incubating early stages of just trying to get the lay of the land of what's going on here, what is this and what is it not? Right? it took quite a while to sort through it, but I guess, long story short, what is it? Six, seven years later? I work with all of these and more SoFi, the whole sort of Marion Divine feminine, Pantheon, ISIS Sophia, Sarah Lacalle, Saint Anne, mother, Mary Magdalene, um, mostly divine feminine, um, but a whole, a whole host of the sort of lesser known archangels like Chael, um, Hael, uh, some of the just lesser known like, uh, lesser. Hierarchy, not the like big four, like Michael Gabriel, your aals come in a few times. But that's about it as far as like the top dogs. 'cause I think those are the ones off kind of fighting, fighting the, uh, the big spiritual battles, whereas the, the lesser known ones are more available [00:14:00] to us. Right? Like, um, Rupert Sherick. Humorously said in, in his book with Matthew Fox about angels, that there are a lot of unemployed under or unemployed angels these days because fewer and fe fewer people call on them. So if you call on them, ready.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah,

Chris Hancock: ready to work. So,

Kara Goodwin: they can do our bidding.

Chris Hancock: no doubt. So it was just the unfolding of beginning to sit and connect with and discern. Who's coming through to, to work with me and on different levels, and I could eventually discern what they were doing, what level of my being were they were working on with me. Emotional, psychological level of higher self, I am presence, level of DNA, et cetera, et cetera. So whole host of the, sort of the supreme beings, holy ones, Christ did, ones exalted, ones archangels, ascended, masters. Uh, I could, I guess it could kind of go on, but. Uh, the, but the really [00:15:00] important thing is not just the, how this has happened for me, what I was eventually able to realize I was being strongly nudged to do was to bring these sources into my work. This is what this whole kind of dark night, insidious dark night burnout was all about.

It was to get me to the point, 'cause I wasn't getting a message to wake me up to make this connection. To get on with at this midlife point, you know, this was around 50, the turning 50 that this all went down, that this was the point where it was time to wake the hell up to what is really the true purpose of your soul and stop keeping all of the, your metaphysical, spiritual stuff, you know, in the background behind you outta fear of being seen as a quack and all the usual stuff that. Professional people would typically be concerned about if, if they have those interests and they really wanna lead with it, right?

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.[00:16:00] 

Chris Hancock: a process of coming to terms with that. I think I was pretty dense in not realizing that that was there for me and that was the true path of my soul. So I had to be kind of slapped upside the head and literally brought to my knees to wake up to it.

Kara Goodwin: Right. Well, and I think it's an important point, the, the. Um, field that you're in is, it's a science-y field. I mean, there's of course, an art to it, but it, it's, it is like part of the medical establishment and it's part of the academic establishment and those. Industries historically in the West do not encourage any sort of spiritual connection within the work.

And, and so I can, I can completely understand how that would be frowned upon and, and the sort of self-limiting that would come in to be like, well, I don't wanna be one of those. Guys, because we've made fun of those guys. Michael, [00:17:00] you know, like that's not respected or that's,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: you know, that's not embraced.

And so you, there is this like having to go against the grain and really feel it, and really feel passionate about it and that, um. Like that to be able to go against the grain. You know, there is that courage that's there and that like, you know what, even so, even, even though I know. I'm putting myself out there in a way that's not gonna be supported by everybody.

I might be putting a target on myself at least psychologically. Um, and, you know, there's, there's a lot to unpack with that decision to keep taking those steps forward so I can really understand how a dark night of the soul would need to be necessary.

Chris Hancock: Uh, yes, apparently, and

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: in my case, you're right on point with all of that, and all of that was mostly just kind of subconscious for me. It's not that those aren't things IDI [00:18:00] would dwell on a lot, but think my soul, my mind, body, spirit was trying to tell me that this path on is not working.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, it's not the fullness of what you're here to do.

Chris Hancock: That's a

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: it. Not the fullness. Exactly. So one of those early downloads I got along with that holy discernment one, I can't remember the order in which they came, but there was one in that period that basically gave me that clarity of like. No, your marriage isn't over. No, your career's not over, but it is.

You are at a crossroads. You must choose. You can't keep going the way you were going. That's why you're here in this state right now. So your path is to go forward with absolute fearlessness in truth and integrity and authenticity, and put it all out there. like in, in whatever way feels authentic and organic.

But of it was you cannot hold [00:19:00] back. You have to come forth and the message was the world has been waiting for you to come forth with all of who you are. And not long after that, there was sort of a follow up, which was because I think the higher sources were recognizing that I was not, I didn't quite have my legs under me yet to do that, so bravely and courageously. I did get a message that basically said, if you will commit to that. not reckless abandon, but fearless authenticity with bringing all of this that is now beginning for you forward, watch what happens. You will see that you will be divinely protected. And I can say that six, seven years in of putting it all out there, I have been, I've not, I've not received any pushback whatsoever. [00:20:00] None.

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful.

Chris Hancock: being a kook or a fraud or anything like that. I expected it. 'cause I know people in my field who go out on the limb because that's where the fruit is in this way following their calling and they get ripped to shreds day in

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Chris Hancock: from the general public. thank you. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Yeah.

Chris Hancock: is protecting me and however, thank you. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: if

Kara Goodwin: That's

Chris Hancock: it comes. I, I'm not concerned about it. I know I'm in integrity. That's all

Kara Goodwin: mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: and I'm doing what I'm here to do. But, um,

Kara Goodwin: and I know that, that this journey has, and everything that you described in terms of the, the body swaying and the infinity with your head and, and the, the, the confirmations that you were getting within the body and learning how to read the body. Um.

Chris Hancock: yeah.

Kara Goodwin: to the creation of the multidimensional divine light transmission, which I was able to experience a few days ago.

Chris Hancock: [00:21:00] Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: So I am super excited to talk about this because, because you and I were just like, okay, let's do this. Let's try it.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: I don't really have a lot of, I mean, I read the website, there's a lot of information on your website, but um, it was a fascinating experience for me. And I'd like for you to just talk about how this came about and what it is, and then I can kind of come in with my experience a little bit and how it was different from a regular meditation for me.

Chris Hancock: Cool. Yeah, absolutely. So that's another thing that, that I did not intend. Um, you know, once all this started going on for me, for the first few years, I had no conscious thought of like, oh, I need to harness these energies and bring it in and share it with people. I really didn. Think or know that that was kind of in the divine plan. So again, I think me being a little dense, literally, um, spiritually, I think I had to get kind of slapped up, uh, on [00:22:00] the side of the head again with a very strong series of nudges sometime around 2022. I think I'm supposed to not, uh, kind of covet. What's going on for me in my personal communions and meditations and work with these higher sources, but begin to bring it in with those that you already know.

That would probably be open to it. I can't even tell you how that came, but it just started to come. Just an increasing awareness and intuition that I need to start bringing this forward. So that was another example of you gotta put it all out there. So it was easy at that point to just to, to consider two people that were in my practice at the time that I knew would be open to this. And, um, and were, so we just started to settle into meditation. And I would just do an invocation like I had learned to already start doing in my [00:23:00] personal sits, and then we just surrender the session to whatever sources are coming through, have in mind that they know, in their infinite wisdom that the person would be able to tolerate, receive, and perceive some form of divine light energy, healing experience, or even just spiritual presence.

So. To kind of make it concise for anyone that's like, what the hell is he talking about this? This multidimensional divine light transmission M-D-L-T-E for short is really, I think about it as a co-facilitated mystical experience or, or something that sets the stage for that great possibility or. To put it even more simply, you can think about it as a spiritual presence, experience, an opportunity to make, to open up to direct connection and contact with any one of the divine emanations of [00:24:00] source creator, of course, right. Whoever in whatever form that would be. And it's usually, like we talked about earlier, one of the supreme being energies, the Maria Divine feminine. Occasionally, um, Yeshua, Melek, any one of the ascended masters or those like lesser known archangels, we also, I've learned to invite in healed and well ancestors, crossed over loved ones, personal guides, spirit guides, like all that are. with Christ light, with God, consciousness, with pure love and light, uh, uh, you know, source energy, let's just put it that way, are all welcome, right? And so it runs the gamut, right? And everywhere from on one end, people just have a sense of calm peace or a little bit of like a blissful experience. All the way to, on the most extreme end, people can go wildly out of body travel. The cosmos have kundalini arousal, [00:25:00] awakenings, DNA, activations, uh, I of quasi near death experiences, past life, information, downloads, all sorts of stuff like you and I talked about in the beginning. It's usually something in the middle of those extremes, right? Um, but it's really up to them. I, it all of, like, what really happens is way beyond my pay grade. I am literally just like an instrument, a vessel, like a, the channel in a way where I'm just invoking the gods as they used to say in, in older times. Or the goddesses inviting them in to make contact and they set up like a tural field is my understanding.

A tourist field, spherical field of energy from. Them through me and through the recipient and around and around it goes. And it lasts for 45 minutes to an hour and a half usually at most. And, and then, so that's kind of a good description. The name [00:26:00] itself was downloaded to me by St. Germaine at the end of the meditation in that. 2000, 22 year when, when I was GE answering the call of the Nudge to, okay, yes, I'm saying yes, I'm gonna bring this into my work, what should I call it? And at the, at the end of a long meditation where I thought, okay, well I'm asking, I guess it's not not gonna come today. It came.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Chris Hancock: That was the recommendation of what to call it.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, well, it's, it's beautiful and it's really interesting having been through it because it, it really was like a joint meditation,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: I am a meditator. I meditate every day, more or less every day.

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: Um, I lead meditations, so I'm no stranger to group meditations. Um. And so it really was like this dual meditation.

We were just on Zoom and [00:27:00] you were meditating. And I was meditating and we were more or less quiet. Um, you were doing a lot of the movements that you've talked about and they're pretty dramatic movements as well. It's not subtle

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and so,

Chris Hancock: They're

Kara Goodwin: mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: herky jerky,

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Chris Hancock: you know, they're fluid, but, but it is rather dramatic at times. You're right.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, it's, it's not, it's not like, is he moving? That type of thing. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah. You know, and there are times where you just kind of stay to one side and, um, and so it was just interesting from my perspective, kind of noticing what I notice and the first. Because we were working with two guides who were, whose presences were there.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: you were, you were, even though we were quiet, you were kind of open to communication. Like if anything comes up and you wanna share it, feel free to share it. You're not gonna break the flow or anything. Um, you were [00:28:00] likewise. Okay, here's what I'm getting. This is who's coming through and

Chris Hancock: right.

Kara Goodwin: doing this.

So in the beginning, I could feel a lot happening on my left side. And so I was sharing that with you. Um, and it was very palpable, you know, it was, and, and you know, again, like I'm not, I'm no stranger to feeling presence and things like that. So it wasn't like a brand new experience, but it was noticeable and it was very interesting.

Um. And then at some point, I think it was when the, the next. Um, guide started coming in.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: I started swaying and, and actually I was, um, doing kind of a spiral and that's unusual. Usually I'm pretty still in my meditations and I think I could have stopped it, you know, it wasn't like involuntary there wa but I was, so, there was such a perception of what was happening.

So it was [00:29:00] like, I noticed my body was doing that and I could have chosen to stop.

Chris Hancock: In other words, it This wasn't possession.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, exactly. Yeah. It wasn't, it was kind of like, oh wait, I think I'm, I think I'm moving. And it even did, um, it came to mind like, oh wait, I should be still, and then. And then I was like, wait a minute. No, let's just go with this.

This is what, this is, what's happening. And so then I was just enjoying that. But it, that's unusual for me to move in my meditation. Usually I'm pretty stationary. So

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: that physical movement was interesting,

Chris Hancock: Yeah, and it was the work, I think for you that day was taking place on your energetic body level. Right?

Kara Goodwin: right? Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: level. Right?

Kara Goodwin: Yes, that's right.

Chris Hancock: an attunement. Is that how I that? This was for

Kara Goodwin: I think that's right. Yeah. It was definitely wasn't working on the physical because that, and maybe you wanna talk about that, how different, [00:30:00] different individuals will have different targets.

Chris Hancock: Mm-hmm. Yeah,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: that's a good way to put it. So what you were describing there about how your body was moving in ways that it doesn't typically when you meditate. That, that's just one example of how people who do this with me, that it's sort of the closest to like evidence that we can get, you know, this is anything but an evidence-based.

It's not a therapy. It's an experience. It's a phenomenon. And it's not evidentiary in, in any kind of researchable way I don't think. Nor is it supposed to be, right. It's a very personal, spiritual experience. Mystical experience really, uh, is how I think about it. I think that that's. That's accurate and, uh, authentic to describe it that way. Um, but that is one of the tells, so to speak, is that people feel something or their body starts moving or they begin to have memories or images or, uh, I mean you [00:31:00] name it, that they just know this is not, this is atypical. This is telling me something is with me and working with me in some way that is for my highest good.

Kara Goodwin: Well, and it's interesting you, you mention about the memories. I forgot, I forgot the memories, but that was another part of it for me. I felt like I went back to a specific age or age range. I think it was between like four and seven years old. And it was just that memories were coming up and they weren't necessarily.

Difficult memories,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: it was like, I could, I remember, I, I just could see the, my dresser that was in my room at that period, you know, where I know where I lived. I only lived in this one house for between the ages of four and seven,

Chris Hancock: Oh,

Kara Goodwin: and so I could see that room and I could see the detail like, of this dresser in a way that I haven't thought about it.

Ever. I mean, who, who really takes the time to go back? Or at least I don't, you know, I'm not going down memory lane and [00:32:00] being like, can I remember what my dresser looked like when I was a kid? Um, and, but there were many very benign, kind of neutral memories

Chris Hancock: Hmm.

Kara Goodwin: from that age group and a dream that, that has been popping up There is this, this dream that, um.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: has not just in that session, but lately it's like, gosh, that was a weird dream. And it's weird that I still remember it after all these years. And, um, and it was so vivid that I actually thought that I had gone, like I, I knew where the physical place was, where I'd kind of gone into the earth and I went to that place in my waking time to be like, where is that entry point?

Why is it gone now? You know? And, um. So that it just in the, but anyway, so I had a lot of memories from that like little chunk of time and because we were working on the energy body on the ca or they were working on the ca, [00:33:00] that is interesting to note because there would be a layer of my energy that would be associated with those memories and the fact that that's what kept

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: up all throughout.

I'm like, okay, there's,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: I think I have an indication. Of if I knew the landscape better, of where I hold my memories

Chris Hancock: Right,

Kara Goodwin: that, that was some sort of repair, which would make sense. I mean, it was the time that my parents were getting divorced and so there is, I think there's a lot of like unacknowledged trauma from from that, just from going through that as everybody who's had gone through a family breakup, ha has things that they

Chris Hancock: a hundred

Kara Goodwin: may not have dealt with yet.

Chris Hancock: right. So you could look at that a number of ways in terms of the context of this MDLT experience. It could be that whichever portion that was Sophia working with you, or Chamuel, I think right.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: Were they stimulating that a, a memory, a felt sense and a memory of [00:34:00] that time to sort of point you gently to, it might be a little more healing to

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: or. Was, was it more byproduct of the work that they were doing on your energy spiritual twin ca level that just sort of

Kara Goodwin: Kicked it up kind of,

Chris Hancock: up? Exactly.

Kara Goodwin: yeah.

Chris Hancock: it would all be toward the same ends of just greater awareness. There might be something there that's tender, that's holding some pain. So that might be a little bit of a segue point, if I may.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: Two. So, you know, the MDLT experience really is it, it certainly is a healing experience, so therapeutic in that sense, but it's not a therapy per se, but one of my other main experiential methods, um. That I use most often with most, why most people come to me is to do IFS or internal family systems, which is AKA [00:35:00] parts work.

That's how it's sort of colloquial. I can never say that

Kara Goodwin: Co colloquially maybe,

Chris Hancock: did it. I couldn't get it. That word. That's how it's kind of

Kara Goodwin: uh.

Chris Hancock: these days as parts work. Right. I've been interested in that method since probably 2006. Right away it felt to me like this is a spiritual therapy wasn't recognized.

It wasn't put forth that way. Only in these last few years is it really being accepted as really a portal to the inner. Not just sort of shamanic landscape, the same as the game territory. We go with psychedelics typically, it really can be a portal to the transpersonal or trans dimensional or opening up to the higher realms. I kind of always knew that I went in and out of it for for many, many years, but when this all started for me. Probably around 2020 I picked back up. It just felt like it's time for me to go back into, pick back up with [00:36:00] IFS with parts work. And as I was beginning to do that with people again, again, I started to notice my head would rock I would use that holy discernment to tell me who's with me. And basically, long story short here, of that I've developed what I call transpersonal

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Chris Hancock: So it's where for for those open to it and it's not everybody and that's fine, but for those that are that want kind of the best bang for the buck of a depth therapy where we can really do some beautiful deep healing of parts of us that are holding old pain or give protective parts of us that are kinda locked in their hypervigilant protective roles.

The opportunity to relax and maybe shed those roles eventually. We can also do it with the direct involvement of the same higher sources that come through for MDLT. So Mary and uh, Mary's the most common because she came in kind of as my right hand [00:37:00] woman this past March. So it's almost always her, and sometimes her and someone else, it really depends. But whoever it is, they're just higher sources of pure love, light and god consciousness that are available for the asking. And in that, in the way that we do IFS, which looks a little different every time, but with the same larger goals of bringing healing and unburdening to burden parts of our system and creating more harmony and wholeness, there are times, well, no, not times, basically, almost all the time now, when we invite a higher source in, when it gets to the point in that therapy where. part of us that we're doing some work with is ready when the part lets the person know that they're ready for some unburdening or unloading loading of old extreme emotions, old extreme beliefs, or even generational or culturally induced trauma loads. [00:38:00] We can, in addition to the normal way that it's done in IFS, where we just offer the part, the sort of menu of, uh, this is directly outta shamanism. The menu of elements to give their pain over to like to fire, water, earth, wind, light, and I will say, or the park could give it to Mary or Isis or Sophia, who's ever with us. Nine times outta 10 if that person is practiced in this with me. Their parts know, oh, that these sources are really powerful and really loving.

And when they say yes to that, it's just pure alchemical magic. The healing, the way that they come in to dissolve or hands-on, heal the burdens, whatever they might be. It's different every time. Always beautiful and magical. So, um. That's, you know, that's, I, I'm really loving doing that work. I'm, I'm a lifer with it.

It's in [00:39:00] practice, in evolution all the time, and always sort of deepening in terms of the higher sources involvement. You know, for our asking in that healing work, it's like, it's amazing to me that they are. Absolutely. They're all IFS therapists, you know, the higher sources. They know exactly what we're doing, which is validation of really the model of the idea that we all have a larger self undamaged, eternal divine spark, the seed of consciousness.

That is who we all really are. And we all have parts that are not that essence, but part of the system. One, you know, oneself, many parts is kind of one of the sayings and all those parts are existing usually in different times in our lifetime or even past life. Carryovers it. It can get very weird, very,

Kara Goodwin: when things get weird.

Chris Hancock: It can get very weird and again, IFS historically has not really been [00:40:00] so keen on talking much about the weird about how there are, we often discover inner spirit guides that are not parts of us. Then there are then we sometimes discover people have foreign attachments and energies in the system that don't belong, that are hugely not demonic per se, but they're kind of parasitic. know, energies that are siphoning energy and trying to exert, exert influence, not for the highest and best good of the person.

Kara Goodwin: Mm

Chris Hancock: I have a whole method where when we discover that as long as the person's ready, mother Mary comes in. Mother Mary, who is sometimes known in, in the sort of Catholic circles as the terror of demons. You

Kara Goodwin: mm.

Chris Hancock: where Mary's presence is? No evil wants to be or nothing. Untoward can can be because of her just absolute purity and light. That's a very Catholic view. I, I'm kind of subscribing to it because that's what I'm seeing is true, that when we discovered that there's something that doesn't belong and the person is ready to [00:41:00] have it compassionately released,

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: always Mary who comes in and she does so with mercy and love and just ushers them, them on to wherever they go.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: to the light to be healed and forgiven. Or if they're not interested in that, they sort of just go to the void, but they can't stay in the person's system.

Kara Goodwin: I love it and I love that you brought parts work into this

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: parts work for me. I didn't even know what that was until earlier this year. And listeners of the podcast Will, will have heard me talk about, in previous discussions about the miraculous way that it came in because, and I love that you're bringing the spiritual element of it.

Because it is like I, okay, I read it an intro to IFS, which was a gift.

Chris Hancock: Yes.

Kara Goodwin: Somebody sent it to me for Christmas and it sat on my coffee table, um, kind of off to the side for, for months because I was like, oh, okay, this, yeah, it looks interesting, but I just, I got a lot of books [00:42:00] and so I just never, you know, was, never picked that one up.

And it was fa it was a fascinating series of events because I had this memory come up, um, and this was maybe in February of this year. It might have been January. Um, but I had this, and it was a, I'm gonna use the word traumatic kind of loosely here. It wasn't, it wasn't. Like deep, deep trauma,

Chris Hancock: right.

Kara Goodwin: it was something from when I was a teenager and it was kind of typical teenage trauma of just being left out and embarrassed and kind of targeted and, and all of those kind of.

Again, like I think everybody who's gone through high school has been there,

Chris Hancock: sure.

Kara Goodwin: we're not saying that that, that I, you know, survived something really horrible. But, but you know, these little traumas that we go through within life and

Chris Hancock: Oh,

Kara Goodwin: I, like, I dismissed this, I, I buried this [00:43:00] memory so deeply.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: That I literally forgot about it, and then I can't even remember why.

I think actually I was having a multidimensional experience. I was, um, because I'll have those at night where visuals will start to come in and I, I was having this great, you know, seeing these patterns and these, you know, feeling these presences and it was really, really beautiful. And then bam, all of a sudden I remembered.

This memory and I was, and I was like, that was so, that was so hurtful. That was such a hurtful thing to go through.

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: cannot believe, I have not thought about that in 30 plus years

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and. Then, but my initial response was, oh, don't look at that. Put that back where you found it.

Chris Hancock: Right,

Kara Goodwin: go there. There is a reason that you have not thought about that.

You are better off not thinking about that. That, you know, that's a har, a hurtful memory. [00:44:00] But luckily

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: caught myself because it was such an automatic response of like, put that back where you found it. And then I was like, wait a minute, why am I, I'm afraid of that, you know? And it was like, I'm afraid I'm gonna get hurt.

There's something there.

Chris Hancock: right.

Kara Goodwin: I, and so I was like, no, bring it back in here. What, what happened? Let's really go into it. How does it make me feel now? And,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and, um, and so I was sharing that with. A friend of mine that, well actually then the next day I had finished a book and it was evening time and. Um, I picked up that Internal Family Systems book because I decided that was the next book I was gonna read.

I literally had it on my lap. I had it open to the first page,

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: there was all this going on in my house that there were people coming and going and there was this specific activity around my kids that was kind of funny and

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and so, and [00:45:00] there was just kind of chaos. And so I had this book open, but I kept talking to everybody and never actually read.

Anything from the book. So I, I still had no idea what IFS was.

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: then I go to coffee the next morning with a friend and I share how this memory came up and I re recognize that I wanted to put it away again, and that I was afraid of it.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: And that I'm like, there's something there. So I'm trying to uncover it.

And she goes, oh, this sounds like Internal Family Systems. And I was like, what? I'm like, tell me what that is. Yeah. And I'm like, tell me what Internal Family Systems is. Why does it remind you of Why does what I shared remind you of that? And so she tells me what you already shared.

Chris Hancock: yeah,

Kara Goodwin: And I'm like, you're not gonna believe me when I tell you this, but I literally had a book open on my lap on Internal Family Systems.

Somebody gave to me. I didn't even seek it out, but I just thought it was time for it. And now here you are bringing it up like it was this whole, [00:46:00] so many full circles I had, I had a whole flower of life of full circles happening

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: this.

Chris Hancock: Love it.

Kara Goodwin: it's been this, um. Uh, the 2025 has been a huge invitation for me to deal with the shadow

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: and to embrace these parts of myself because this is just one example of how different disparate memories have come up, different things that I'm like, I

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: believe that I forgot about, about that.

Um.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: And I haven't focused on the shadow. I, I've been very much a love and light person, and let's just focus on what it is that we want. Let's create the reality that we want. Let's not give energy to the negative things.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: And this year has been like, okay, there's actually something for you in what you keep.

Turning away from what you keep [00:47:00] denying. And so I love that you have brought in IFS two into this conversation because it's been, it's so important.

Chris Hancock: And it's such a beautiful, compassionate, not pathologizing. And pretty comprehensive approach to doing that. Deep healing,

Kara Goodwin: I.

Chris Hancock: especially of the things that our protective parts have encouraged us forever, maybe even without us being so consciously aware of it not to look at. Right. You know, it's funny you bring up the shadow concept because I've always felt that that's sort of a, just too ephemeral. To, to not practical, to know kind of what to do with that. And many people echo that same sentiment to me too. And I really think of shadow work really as parts work. I mean, what are we talking about? We're talking about the

Kara Goodwin: It's the same.

Chris Hancock: same,

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: work is so much more practical. It's weird. You have to, you have to accept the premise that we're all one and [00:48:00] many.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: that and get beyond the weirdness of that, that we're all essentially multiple, but not in a pathological way. Right. I mean, our fragmented systems can reach pathological, uh, states, you know, extreme states, of course that's real. But we're all naturally multiple

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: the, is the premise that has to be accepted.

If one can accept that and just be curious about where that could lead. I know firsthand it can lead to the deepest, most profound healing of what many would call our shadow, our disavowed aspects, which are really just usually parts that are stuck way back in time, overflowing with, with burdens of emotional pain, extreme beliefs, and then often cultural and even ancestral and generational patterns and burdens, limiting beliefs and whatnot, all of which can be remedied.

You know, through, through that model. [00:49:00] And then it's not so much a, uh, kind of femoral, I, I'm trying to think of a better word for that. Like just intangible, impractical shadow. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Kind of, yeah. Can't get your arms around it.

Chris Hancock: exactly. That's how it's always felt to me. So, so weird as IFS is, and multiplicity of mind is, it's also profound and, and it is practical in its own way because.

To make it really simple, there's the larger self, right? Which is how do we know that's that divine spark, that undamaged, eternal essence of who we are. How do we know when we're in self or connected to self, or how do we know when self is at the wheel is when we feel calm, clear presence, patience, playfulness, curiosity, creativity, connectedness. Courage. I could go on, but those are some of the qual compassion, of course. Right. So curiosity, compassion are the [00:50:00] sort of the big two looking to establish. Before we go further with parts work, we want to get connection to self. Drop into the heart is how I do it. Spend some time there. Try to just relax anything that's tense or tight or scared.

Hear that part, those parts out if we need to. we're just asking for space so we can connect to that divine spark, find our curiosity and our openness and presence, and then we go forth toward or invite to come forward, any part of us that we may have. Have an awareness of really kind of needs help or needs attention, and then we're off to the races.

Right?

Kara Goodwin: I love that, and I love too, from a practical perspective, from a a spiritual, practical perspective, when you talked about the Toal field, back when we were talking about M-M-D-L-T and you were saying what you understand is there's this toal field that gets activated or enhanced, and then that's kind of, they're [00:51:00] moving there.

Energy and their healing, for lack of a better word. Through that,

Chris Hancock: right.

Kara Goodwin: what I understand and what I feel that I've experienced through the parts work

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: that because there was this denial, this unwillingness to accept that part,

Chris Hancock: Right.

Kara Goodwin: it was like I, I still had that part even though I buried it.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: it was like frozen.

It was not moving energy. It wasn't energy in motion. So

Chris Hancock: right.

Kara Goodwin: my own personal tural field, which we all have this tural field, and that is actual life force, it is what is animating us. It's how the movement of the, the life force within us as living beings. But because I had these, and I, I'm sure I still have some because that's a thing, you don't, until you become aware of them, you don't notice them.

But, um, but the opportunity and the [00:52:00] invitation was if you can accept this and you can integrate it, and you can. You know, let it be a part of you instead of go, instead of saying, Nope, that's not part of me. That didn't happen. That's not something I'm willing to accept, but to say, okay, come in here. You've got gifts for me.

You're part of me. And then it be, then it moves. It, it becomes, it's, it's enfolded into our energy and it, it can flow.

Chris Hancock: right,

Kara Goodwin: And so,

Chris Hancock: because

Kara Goodwin: of our, yeah.

Chris Hancock: either in one of two states stuck or flowing,

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Chris Hancock: the other. So you're, you're dead on. And really this IFS sort of parts work approach, in a sense an energy psychology. It's, it

Kara Goodwin: absolutely it is.

Chris Hancock: Absolutely. You know, the way you became a aware of it in that, um, anecdote that you described, uh, where you were in that kind of blissful [00:53:00] trans sort of semi transcendent state, and all of a sudden boom comes that memory of that pain of what you experienced with shame or humiliation in, in the teenage years. So in, in the, through the IFS lens, how would we look at that? We would, I would say, well. That part that's been holding the bag of that pain all this time. And like you just said, yes, kind of frozen, stuck in time, we can undo once we meet and work with that part. But that aside, my guess would be my I-F-I-F-S informed hunch would be that that part knew that you were in an open, receptive state. chose that to try to get your attention. And it

Kara Goodwin: Mm

Chris Hancock: And then what did you notice next? we would call a firefighter part, is a protective part, swooped

Kara Goodwin: oh.

Chris Hancock: say, no, no, no. Better left. Don't, don't look over there. Nothing to see there. [00:54:00] Like all protected parts, they're just trying to keep us safe.

Right. And they don't, their number one concern usually is that if we get too close to a part that's holding a lot of intense old pain, that we're gonna be flooded and overwhelmed. So often the work, depending on how kind of, uh, good at their jobs or how many protectors one has the real brilliance of IFS, of all the things that are brilliant about it to me is that it seeks for permission from our protective parts before we go to any other deeper work. Which is unlike any other psychological approach. I know EMDR does not do that. I think EMDR is learning to, but typically it just blasts right through protectors and goes right for the, the, the, the memory of the old pain hypnosis, hypnotherapy traditionally overrides protectors, and that's [00:55:00] why it doesn't always take. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Chris Hancock: I don't wanna go too off on that. It's not about comparing, but that's the real brilliance of IFS is that if you were coming to me describing that experience, I would say, great, let's see if we can meet the part first that protects that, that teenage part,

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Chris Hancock: And let's hear its concerns.

Let's let it know what we would be, we would be aiming to do and why that would be beneficial. But we're looking for, for permission first.

Kara Goodwin: I love that. That gave me so many chills when you described it like that, which is so resonant and it, and it, it really does soften. The dealing with trauma, when we see all of the parts are working in our favor, even, you know, these protective parts

Chris Hancock: Yep.

Kara Goodwin: where, you know, the, the firemen or the judge or whatever we might have where it's like, but they're kind of gatekeepers like, [00:56:00] are you, you might not be ready.

Historically, you haven't been ready for this. So,

Chris Hancock: That's

Kara Goodwin: and,

Chris Hancock: Yes.

Kara Goodwin: so it's a different, it, it's such a compassionate way to see the whole process because we could go into it

Chris Hancock: Yes,

Kara Goodwin: like, why did this get buried? What has it been, you know, how has it been holding me back this whole time? Or whatever we might tell ourselves.

But it's like, it's all this brilliant design to really help us and to nurture us along, um, our awakening

Chris Hancock: Completely.

Kara Goodwin: a, in a healthy way.

Chris Hancock: found in, in my way of doing it, transpersonally with those that are open to that, which frankly is most people who come to me these days, they want that, that why would they, they wouldn't think to say no to the inclusion of higher sources of, of love and God consciousness. So when we invite Marian or Sophia or whoever's gonna come in to hold space. By and large, there are some exceptions. Sometimes we cannot get protectors to relax back. We, it just [00:57:00] can't, and that's part of it. It's just not for everyone. It's not always the right timing. We're not always gonna strike gold with it.

Right. So it's not a miracle 'cause nothing is. Right. It's not a miracle cure in that sense. But it is. What, what was I trying to say here? When we invite the higher sources in, I am finding over these years of doing that. That by and large, even the most rigid hypervigilant protectors that wanna just keep that gate closed and not let us go anywhere. Tend to feel more, okay, let's just put it that way, with us going further. And I'm often finding that protected parts, which don't always themselves need to be under unburdened. It's usually the ones they're protecting that do. finding more and more that when Mary's with us or whomever, that we start to learn that those that the protectors themselves are saying, well. I'm actually holding a lot of [00:58:00] old shame. Can I get some help first?

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Chris Hancock: And then we can go to the one that I've been trying to keep safe all this time,

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's fascinating.

Chris Hancock: that's kind of just an interesting development

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

Chris Hancock: it is just unfolding, and I think a lot of why my work with the higher sources in my therapeutic or MDLT context continues to unfold is because of all. The work that I keep showing up for with Mary and the higher sources and myself and all that they're doing to constantly refine, purify, and heal me. My whole mind, body, spirit, complex system so that I can be an increasingly powerful, potent kind of vessel so that they can bring more of their presence and energy through. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: kind of increasing, which is just what could,

Kara Goodwin: What a blessing.

Chris Hancock: mean, that is

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Chris Hancock: do, so,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah. [00:59:00] I love it. Well, Chris, I've loved this discussion. I feel like we've gone to so many beautiful places.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Tell us how people can connect with you.

Chris Hancock: Sure. And we didn't even get to all the Mount Shasta stuff and the, and all

Kara Goodwin: I know, I know.

Chris Hancock: Yeah,

Kara Goodwin: time. Yeah.

Chris Hancock: Um, anyone, the easiest way to get in touch with me is just my website, therapy outside the box.com. my Instagram, I'm pretty active on it. That's at therapy outside the box.

Those are the two easiest ways. I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Franklin, Tennessee, which is basically Nashville, but much of what I do. I can do with people virtually all over the world, just sort of on a coaching or consultation basis too, so,

Kara Goodwin: Wonderful. Yeah, and our M-D-L-M-D-L-T was on Zoom, so.

Chris Hancock: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Wonderful. Well thank you so much.

Chris Hancock: but it does.

Kara Goodwin: I know that's right. It's very quantum so you don't have to be in the same place. Well, thank you so much.

Chris Hancock: to you on getting this [01:00:00] award for your channel. That's so amazing. I'm not surprised 'cause you are such a bright light, so of course you're

Kara Goodwin: Um, well thank you. That means so much. Thank you so much for being on Chris. It's been such a joy.

Chris Hancock: Thank you, Kara. Appreciate it.

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