437. Gut Health, Nutrition, and Holistic Wellness - Michelle Doel

Michelle Doel

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Speaker: Welcome to Soul Elevation, guiding your ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Cara Goodwin, and I did not get a perm. I know that my hair looks different. Um, I, I've been trying something different with my curling iron, and this was the result today. So for better or worse. I look like I have a perm right now.

Um, I kind of like it anyway, I just thought let's just, let's just throw that out there because I know that if this is not the first time you have seen my podcast. Then it's, you've got to be wondering. So let's just talk about the elephant in the room. No perm.

So anyway, now that we've cleared the air about that, this episode was a special treat for me personally, because this guest is very, very dear to my heart. We've been friends since we [00:01:00] were 11, and it was amazingly joyful to shine a spotlight on this great soul. We're joined today by Michelle Dole, and we talk a lot about how nutrition and mindset impact health.

Michelle is exceptionally knowledgeable on holistic health, and you're going to learn so much about gut health, the upside of our stress response, and how nutrition plays into every aspect of your health. I loved getting her expertise on tips to help clear the skin without conventional medicine. And after we have a really serious conversation, we amp up the fun with a little bit of silliness in a way you can only do with someone you share a long history with, and I just realized that I forgot to ask Michelle how you can connect with her at the end of our conversation.

I was so excited and I was laughing so hard that it totally slipped my mind, but find out more about Michelle at the teen health coach. com. Michelle Dole is a nationally board certified functional [00:02:00] medicine, health coach, and the founder of vertical horizons. A teen wellness company, empowering adolescents to take charge of their mental, physical, and emotional health. She specializes in coaching high school athletes through a holistic approach, integrating nutrition, movement, mindset, sleep, and stress reappraisal.

Her year round 10 week individual wellness program helps teens build body awareness and make sustainable lifestyle changes. So I'm so excited to share this amazing episode with you. But first I'm also excited to share about my book, Your Authentic Awakening, a guide to everyday spiritual living, which will be available very soon. This book is designed to help you reach new heights of spiritual awakening.

It's full of spiritual guidance, practical tools, and captivating personal stories, all working together to expand your consciousness. And open your heart, find out more information [00:03:00] on Cara Goodwin. com, including how to get your own signed copy and now enjoy this episode. 

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, Michelle, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. I'm so excited about this conversation.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I am too. Thanks for having me. I'm really excited to chat and see where this conversation goes today.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes. Well, I've got to let the listeners in here because this is a very, very special episode for me. I've done like over 400 soul elevation slash meditation conversation episodes. And today I am. interviewing one of my best childhood friends. We were thick as thieves from in like high school and middle school.

And so I just suddenly, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, something I was like. Oh my God, Michelle, our work overlaps. You've got to come on the podcast. It would be so much fun. So this is very, very special for me [00:04:00] because I, I just love spending time with you. We don't get to really hang out that much because you moved away.

It was so rude.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: really long time ago, too,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I know.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: twenty, I don't know, something years ago. That's crazy.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I know. I know. So we used to live close to each other and, and bicycle to the ordinary, which was this tiny restaurant in this tiny town called, was it an Acton or Wanamaker? Wanamaker.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: and I just got the feeling of sweat from riding the bike,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: drinking the chocolate shake.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yeah. Malts. Yeah. We would have malts. Yes. Um, so we have such a long and fun history and you're just one of the, like, when I think of Michelle, my heart just glows. So I'm so excited to share you with everybody

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Aw,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: that they can have a little bit of Michelle too.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh, thank you. Right back at you, sister.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it's so crazy that we're sitting here in this [00:05:00] spot at the age of 46 now. And when I think of when I first met you eating your teddy grahams at the science table, was it Miss Jackson was our sixth

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: oh yeah. I think it would. Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: yeah, so we've got

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: history.

So it's fun to see now that, like you said, our paths are kind of crossing in the work that we do. And

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: to have this conversation.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes. You're doing amazing work in the kind of nutrition and mindset space. And I want to start with that, with our conversation. Let's talk about your background and what launched you into the terrain of holistic wellness.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah, excellent. I mean, it's a winding journey. .

 It really started after the birth of Greta. And so, you know, for listeners, this is my third daughter.

She was born in 2010 and I was doing, um, Russian kettlebell right before I got pregnant with her. And actually I was doing triathlons too. And so I was kind of in a healthier part of my life. [00:06:00] But I gave, I actually went into , labor at a kettlebell class on a Saturday morning.

And I was like, all right, I think it's time, it's time to go to the hospital. Greta was born. And like three days later, I'm sitting in the parking lot, maybe four, of a physical therapist, um, getting ready to go in the physical therapist. noticed that my joints were hurting, like my finger joints, and I thought, well, that's kind of weird. Um, I wonder if it's from Kettlebell. You know, I did Kettlebell four days ago, and I ended up kind of like, you know, texting my, um, my instructor and asking him, like, do you think this could be from Kettlebell? And it's like, he's like, well, you've been doing it for several years. I don't think that all of a sudden this could be that.

And so, That kind of set me off. It started with this symmetrical joint pain. It went into, um, started having, um, some rashes on my joints, something called granuloma annulare. And

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: That's fancy. 

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I know, isn't it fancy?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Also, I'm, I'm, I just learned that it's kettle bell and not kettle [00:07:00] ball. I had no idea.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was thinking about that the other day. I don't know why, because so many people call it kettle ball. It's a bell shaped like a little bell that you swing.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Maybe in my world, it's kettle ball. You should join me.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: you know what? It sounds more glamorous when you call it kettle ball anyway.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Let's change it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: So kettle ball, I was doing kettle ball. Um,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: And then you got some fancy rash on your joints.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: rash

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: hmm.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: was freaking me out and then it kind of turned into this, like I was having brain fog and then it started to turn into GI stuff and my, uh, I was constantly bloated, had GI issues and pain couldn't be explained. And so I did everything from, uh, had a colonoscopy.

I remember going into, um. Um, like a, not like ER, but like a urgent care one day and just kind of in tears. Like I cannot figure out what is wrong with me. I had had blood tests, um, ended up having an ultrasound, nothing on the ultrasound, nothing on [00:08:00] the colonoscopy. And this is What I hear a lot of people say who come to functional medicine is I thought, I think I'm crazy. I've passed all the tests and I don't know what's wrong with me. So functional medicine. I found a functional medicine doctor. Um, and she wasn't actually quite functional medicine yet. She was an internal medicine doctor who had functional medicine principles. Um, so for those listening, basically functional medicine principles are.

No system is siloed. All systems are connected and instead of just putting a band aid on our symptoms, let's look for the root cause. And so this doctor really started guiding me in the right direction. She diagnosed me with something called SIBO, which is small intestinal bacteria overgrowth. Have you ever heard of that?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I know, but I've heard about the role of gut health and bacteria and how that affects the whole body. And that's where I want to take this conversation next too. But I haven't heard about that specifically. And

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: you know, basically it's an imbalance of, uh, gut bacteria. It's gut dysbiosis, which is causing my [00:09:00] GI symptoms. And

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: was that related to the pregnancy and the birth or was that just a coincidence?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Uh, yes, it was, and so, the, what I have learned through functional medicine is autoimmune conditions can be brought on during major hormone fluctuations.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: birth is a major hormone fluctuation, so a lot of women get diagnosed with autoimmune disease after giving birth to children.

And so for me, this being my third one, I always say that my body was like, I'm done! And so, um, so this was again something I learned through functional medicine,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: and exactly what you need when you've got your third baby, you've got a newborn and two toddler or toddler or preschooler. And let's just throw in an autoimmune disease. Come on, you can do it, Michelle. You can do everything.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Juggle it all, right? And you look back on that and you're like, it's the definition of, like, resilience, right? You just keep powering

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: um, yeah, felt like, felt horrible, but, um, started to get on the track of feeling well. And so, long story short, found Functional [00:10:00] Medicine. I started looking at nutrition as medicine as information for my body, which was taught to me, you know, by functional medicine doctors and, um, you know, started changing the way that I eat and change my lifestyle factors and I started to feel well.

And so I thought to myself. How can I give this to other people and started researching and I'd been stay at home mom for like what now like, uh, you know, I don't know how many years at that point, but it was and I'm a former teacher, you know, had degree in education. I've been a teacher. And so it was kind of like, maybe this is my next thing.

So I started researching health coaching, um, programs and I found, Okay. Functional medicine, health coaching. And I was like, what? You know, I totally love functional medicine. They are, they collaborate with the Institute for Functional Medicine. These doctors that I've been following are teaching content in this program.

So signed up year long [00:11:00] program. Um, learned, you know, behavior change, motivational interviewing, which is really what health coaching is, is healthy, helping people create change, um, but with the principles of functional medicine, so I learned all about nutrition and gut brain connection and mindset and movement and the importance of these in our health and wellness, um, and then the step after that, so I was ready to start coaching, but I decided to take it one step further, and that is to be board certified.

So, um, There is an entity called the National Board of Health and Well, for National Board for Health and Wellness Coaches. And they have an exam created by the National Board of Medical Examiners. And I signed up to take this sort of, to sign up to get certified. And so you have to take a test. It's a, you know, four hour test.

But before you can even sit, you have to coach for 50 sessions. And they want you to coach people you don't know because it's harder to coach people you don't know. You have to actually institute the strategies of coaching. And [00:12:00] so I started putting some feelers out there and asked my sister, uh, if she had any bodies she knew that I could coach and she connected me with a friend of hers who asked me if I could coach her daughters. I said to her, if, let me talk to your girls and I'll explain to them what I do. And if they feel like they're on board and they want to start making some changes, then. We'll we'll do it. And so I had the conversation with them and It was amazing and I worked with them and it was like an aha for me I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing.

I love this. Why do I love this? I love this because I'm a teacher and I love kids and it's the reason I got into education in the first place is because I love these beautiful souls clean slates, you know sponges that want to absorb this information and And so that kind of directed me to, well, no, it did direct me to my niche of teen wellness, which is where I am today.

And so I started, I created [00:13:00] this, um, program. I started creating content based on functional medicine and put together this 10 week program and started bringing teenagers on board. And it kind of started to even turn, uh, a little bit, get a little bit more narrow. athletes because my three daughters are athletes.

And so I started, you know, having parents ask me questions. Can I work with their kids? And so it kind of got a little bit more specific. But even now, I'd say that it's like 60 percent athletes. 40 percent non athletes, and I help them create positive changes in all the different pillars of health. Mental, physical, emotional, nutrition, mindset, sleep, movement, relationships.

Did I say relationships twice? But

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I don't think so.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: So

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, that's amazing. So when you have sessions with these athletes, do they bring their own kettlebell?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: ha! No, no, because my gym is right here,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: use my own kettlebell.[00:14:00] 

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: okay. Well, there, there you go. You've got it all worked out. Michelle, you're a genius. Well, you

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: which is my love language. So thank you.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: touched on gut health and Sebo, which I, I didn't know Sebo, I know Tybo, but because of you,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: to do.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Tybo, Michelle was obsessed with Tybo when we were in high school,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh man, was I.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: maybe you still are. I feel like it kind of went by the wayside, but I don't know. It's not my world. Um, so, but talking about gut health and its role in overall health, I think is so important.

And it's this, it can be surprising if you don't know about it, even gut health connection with mental health, which blows my mind because We think so much that our [00:15:00] brain is kind of siloed. Our thoughts and our mental health are, are like separate from our body. That can be a common misconception. But tell us about the importance of gut health and how people can get a healthier environment.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mhm. Yeah, no, it is. It's so important. And if I would say it is the most important is to work on the gut. And when we work on the gut, then like you were saying, then it helps our mental and our emotional wellness and it helps our physical wellness. And so it's one of the things that I talked to my clients about kind of right off the bat because they are, um, out and about eating all the amazing yummy foods that you want to eat when you're 14, 15, 16.

The Dutch Bros, the Starbucks, the Hot Cheetos,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: think you mean Luca's Pizza and Cinnabon and

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Slushies, red slushies.[00:16:00] 

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: and The Cookie Company.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh, yes. All of that, right? Where

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: ooh, food is for just yumminess, not for information.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I took us all back to the 90s, by the way. If anybody's listening and you were born in the 90s, you don't know what I'm talking about. But, if you're our age, you may have even worked at the cookie company.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: cookie factory, whatever it was called.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: the cookie fat. I think it was the original cookie company. I think that's what it was.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Michelle, Michelle worked there.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I worked there and I ate a lot of cookies and my gut health was not good. And seriously, like all joking aside, I can't tell you how often I look back to that moment because that was a time in my life too.

Even though I say everything started after Greta, really when I look back at, you know, middle school, high school, I had. some symptoms of gut dysbiosis, and I was fatigued a lot, which now I know at the age of 46 is not normal. I wake up, I feel fully energized, I have a great day, and you know, I sleep well at night, [00:17:00] but like back then when I'm young and supposed to be, you know, spry, it was not that.

And so I know that it was because of the stuff that I was putting in my body. So try to teach kids from the beginning that we have this bacteria in our gut. We have the good guys and we have the bad guys. And the bad guys feed on the sugar, you know, the Dutch Bros, the Starbucks, the Hot Cheetos, the Starbursts, the Skittles, and the good guys feed on the asparagus and the onions and the garlic and all of that kind of stuff so that they can start to see that you get a choice every day to enhance the good guys or enhance the bad guys.

Um, yeah. a matter of fact, even when my girls were little, say, uh, do you want to wake your sugar bugs first, or do you want to wake, wake the good guys? So, don't, don't eat your pancake first, don't eat your cinnamon roll first, let's eat your eggs. Sometimes I would have vegetables at breakfast, sometimes I still do. Um, and so, you know, just [00:18:00] teaching them that that's going on in their gut. And so, I usually pull up a symptom list at the beginning of my session. And the title is There's a pill for everything and on the list is everything from IBS symptoms to rashes to acne to ADHD to anxiety to depression help them see in actually kind of scale own physical symptoms.

And once they look at this and I explained to them, okay, there's a time and a place for a pill. I'm not saying that we shouldn't take medication, but if we normalize these symptoms, then we're doing a disservice to ourselves. And that's how I grew up. Normalize normalizing these symptoms. But what we know now is a lot of these symptoms. Start in the gut. And so whether we can categorize these as physical symptoms or mental emotional, they can take a hold of their [00:19:00] wellness by controlling their thoughts and controlling their food so they can bring balance to their gut so that they can feel better mentally, physically and emotionally.

And maybe Diminish or um, manage, diminish, or even eliminate some of the symptoms on the list. And I've seen it happen in my own kids. I've seen it happen with clients that I work with, um, but it is, uh, the most important starting point, I think.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I love that, having like a list and then the quote unquote like food pill, but

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: something that caught my attention was acne, I mean thinking about teenagers for example, and I know you don't I also want to emphasize, you don't just work with teens, you also do work with adults as well. But, you know, teens and acne.

I have teenagers and I know acne is like a big focus for teens. Is there like a dietary change that tends to help with acne? I

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah, and I actually had my oldest daughter experiment with this over COVID. [00:20:00] She was, and I grew up, there's another thing, like I grew up with acne and it was so bothersome to me emotionally and mentally, right? You look in the mirror every day, you see it, you don't want to see it, but it's there.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: don't even remember that. Now that you're saying it, I remember you would go to a dermatologist. I don't even remember you having acne

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: my own memory.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: then, what they would put you on, speaking of the 90s again, is tetracycline, which is an antibiotic, and you would just stay on it because they think that they're to

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, well, no wonder your gut was. Yeah. Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: you spend time on antibiotics that long. Um, you chase the mosquito truck in your neighborhood, um, in the eighties and you've got

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: fruit.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: this whole like explosion of, of, of badness going on in your gut.

But, um, and so with Olivia, um, one of the things you can do is look. So when you look at acne and again, this is not saying that, you know, [00:21:00] you shouldn't go on medication for acne, but there are some first steps you can take if you're willing to do it and it's not an overnight thing. Um, it takes, um, Perseverance and, uh, and willingness to kind of go without some of the normal teenage y stuff. And so I said to Olivia, I was like, do you, if you're upset about this, do you want to try to change it with food? And it was the right time, the right environment, because we weren't a lot of, around a lot of kids or people anyway, because of, you know, COVID. And she said, yes. And so I said, okay, let's give it three weeks and let's go off all sugar.

And so, you know, and. sugar is a huge category. Really? Grains are sugar. Um, any simple

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Mm-hmm

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: right? Fruit can be sugar. But, um, we started with just the actual treats and stuff like that. So we took that out. We, you know, put in more vegetables. Um, we are a meat eating family. So, you know, we would just stick to [00:22:00] like sugar.

This is what I say to kids, eat food that roams the earth, grown from the earth, and if you can focus on that, then you're on the right trajectory to wellness. And so we kind of took that approach and after three weeks, like acne was gone. Her face was clear. Um, she said, that was really hard. I don't know if I can do that forever. And I said to her, don't have to do this forever because what you learned is that there is a connection between the food that you're putting in your body and what is happening externally. And that is the hope for every kid that passes through my door or connects with me over Zoom, not to stick to a strict lifestyle, but to create this body awareness of understanding. What is off, then to have tools to know how to change that, when they want to change that, for the rest of [00:23:00] their life. So they have something to go back to.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: That's so important. And it flows into like growth mindset and, and a topic that I think find really intriguing, which is stress reappraisal, reappraisal appraisal. How do you say that?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Free appraisal.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Reappraisal.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it. You know what though, it depends on where you are in the country, right?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, which side of Buck Creek you grew up on? . Uh,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: good at all these references. I think you missed your calling as a comedian,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, just wait, just wait. We aren't even there yet, Michelle, but I've got a whole list of things you're gonna love.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I can't wait. I can't wait for all the surprises.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Um, let's talk about stress reappraisal. I feel like that makes me sound more

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Sophisticated. hmm. Very

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: us about stress reappraisal, my dear?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: can. Yes, I can, darling. Oh, this I think is profound and something new that I've [00:24:00] discovered over the past year and so one of my obsessions is with learning to the point where um, it's never enough and I can't stop and so I'm constantly taking in information to add to my 10 week wellness program and Um, I'm, my passion lies in nutrition, but now it's kind of pivoting to this whole mindset thing.

Um, which, when kids are coming to me, they come for many different reasons. Some people we start with nutrition, some people we start with mindset, um. But I would say right now, it's about 50 50, maybe even 60 40 on that. Clearly, I like the 60 40, um, breakdown. I've said that earlier in the podcast, too, for my, for my clients. But, um, but it's the truth. And it was something that led me to, um, do more research. Like, how can I really help these kids? With their mindset and especially athletes because that's where they get stuck in these limiting beliefs and this negative self [00:25:00] talk hard for them to overcome that really hinders their performance And so it can hinder someone's performance on the court in the pool on the dance floor Or it can hinder your performance in the classroom.

It can hinder your performance with relationships. So how do we Reappraise stress. How do we, um, look at it in a different light so that we can use it to our benefit instead of our disadvantage. I've always felt, I think as a mom, that we Put too much emphasis on the stress that our kids are facing today and you hear things like, Oh, our kids are more stressed than ever before. You know, we've got social media. We've got all of these obstacles for them to overcome and like a victim mentality. And, um, you're going to think this is funny, but this is what I go back to. I'm like, you know what? It can't be more stressful. than like 1740. I mean, it just can't be. If [00:26:00] you've ever watched like Outlander, I mean, those people are waking up every morning and they're trying not to die. They're wondering if they're going to eat. And I'm like, my kids are waking up every morning in a warm household with like food security. And, okay, there's obstacles, it can't be that it's the most stressful time ever. And so, that was kind of my own thought, that I was kind of afraid to share it with other people. But, I just read a book by Kelly McMonigle, I think, and it's called The Upside of Stress. Have you read that? Okay. So, I read this

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: But that is a really fun name. McMonagall. McMonagall. Let's,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: also,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: let's applaud that. Okay. McMonagall!

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Which And my doctor's last name is McMonigle, too. I was like, oh yes, it's

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I love that you get to say that so much in your world. McMonigle! Tell us about what Ms. McMonigle has to say [00:27:00] about stress.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: the amazing thing about Miss McMonigle is

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: McGonigle.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: of, like, uh, put together of the studies of all of the amazing psychologists that I have been following over this last year under the umbrella of, um, mindsets, growth mindset, stresses, enhancing mindset. And and so it's basically saying, you know, we can choose to look at stress as meaningful.

We can choose to look at stress by connecting it to our values and saying, Hey, having stress means that I care a lot about what I'm stressed about. And that was my first aha. I was like, huh, okay, so let me play this game. Like I value my family. healthy food day in and day out. Does that cause me some stress?

It causes you some stress at the grocery store, when you're paying, you know, for food. It causes you stress when you're trying to find time in your day to make this healthy [00:28:00] meal, when you're trying to balance your job and everything else. Is that stress? Acute stress? Yeah. And so, when she said that, it totally shifted my perspective.

I was like, I am so grateful. That I get to have this stress right now of feeding my family this healthy food So this is like one of the things and I think this is The psychologist that reappraised stress this way saying let's look at our values was Her name is Aaliyah Crum, Ali Crum. And so I thought okay I'm gonna take that And work with my, my, my clients on that. Let's start looking at the stressors, connecting them to their values, and then, uh, shifting their perspective on that. And so that's kind of step one. And then, um, Step two, then is the reappraisal. And this is what I've learned from, um, uh, Jamison, who's a psychologist.

And the cool thing is, you know, the whole idea of growth mindset, like, let's try harder. We can do anything. That was created by Carol Dweck and all these people all [00:29:00] are kind of like under her umbrella to work on these mindsets. This, you know, this belief that, you know, growth mindset that with the right support under the right conditions, change is possible belief in our own neuroplasticity.

And then this whole new thing of reappraising the stress that's present. And so what studies show is that when you can look at stress as a challenge, Instead of a threat, the you perform better your outcomes are better and you actually can have a different physiological response.

So stress can create, you know. increased heart rate, breathing, you know, nervous, all the different nervous physical symptoms, but they show that the physiological symptoms are a little bit different where when you're in the threat mode it's fight or flight and your blood vessels constrict. So that, uh, supposedly the explanation is so that you go to war, you get, you know, somebody hurts you, kills you, your, [00:30:00] your blood doesn't all gush out.

I know that sounds really gory, but they're like, Oh, that's the, that's the reason for the constricting of the blood vessels. But when you look at stress as enhancing or as a challenge, Your body physio physiologically responds more like going for a workout. Your blood vessels expand, you have more blood flow, you have more oxygen going through you, and it really gets you amped up and more excited.

And so if you can look at stress as challenging and as an excitement instead of a threat, then your body responds differently and studies show you perform differently. And so I think they did studies on like pilots and teachers, Kids who were undergraduates sitting for the GRE and even surgeons. And so lots of long term studies on this just starting to view stress as a challenge instead of a threat. And they see that they outperform their counterparts who didn't, um, Um, go through the explanation of how to reappraise stress. So I thought that was really cool and I was like, how can we bring this to the [00:31:00] kids that I'm working with? And so I put up a Y scale when I work with them. I created this scale.

So I always ask kids to scale their stress on a scale of one to 10. Is it a one to 10? And I do that for two reasons. One so that I know how they're feeling, but the other reason is so that, um, they can kind of start to get. introspective of, of, because they have to like think about, you know, like, what are the things that are happening that are going to cause me to have stress and then that gives us a, a, um, a springboard for starting the discussion on what are the things that are stressing you out and how do we manage that. Um, and so I teach them about that. I give them the science about what I just told you and then I ask them, um, You know, about their stressors, and how can we look at this as a challenge instead of a threat? And so, to, to use an example, uh, that I heard another author use, but I think actually pertains to me, because, um, I did not grow up skiing, but I learned to ski when I moved out here, and it [00:32:00] was a disaster at the beginning. Um, I did get a lot better, but it's like, if I stand at the top of a black diamond, and I look down, and I think to myself, Can I survive this or am I gonna die? this point, I think I can survive it. But 25 years ago, I would have been like, I'm dead. There's no way I can do this. I don't have skills. I don't have any resources.

This is an actual threat. This is actual sympathetic or flight mode. But if John's standing at the top of a black diamond, he might have the same stress response, right? Like his His heart's racing and you know, it's harder to take a deep breath, but his is amped up and excited. And so he sees that same situation as a challenge.

And so I use that example for the kids. And then we take their stressors and I put up this Y scale that I created. If their stress is a one to four, it, they might not actually be too stressed. The, the physical symptoms aren't [00:33:00] necessarily there.

But once they get to a five or a six, this is where they have to appraise their stress. The symptoms are starting to increase. It's starting to bother them. And so this is when they say, is this a threat or is this a challenge? And the way to it and to say and work from a this is a challenge mindset is to go through the resources and it's everything from, What are your support systems?

What are your stories that you're telling yourself? This is where the negative self talk comes in. What are your past experiences? Has this happened to you before? What did you learn from that? Do you have time to prepare? What are the skills that you have in place? What strengths can you tap into? When I talk about strengths, I do a character strengths test with my kids at the beginning of our 10 weeks together to leverage those strengths for positive change, to be able to tap into those in situations like this. And so when I can [00:34:00] walk through with them that this resource list and they see that, oh yeah, I can look at this as a challenge. This is, this makes them feel better. And I've seen it. I've seen it happen. Quite a few times where you can see their mindset shift that they're, they've now got a way to handle this stress.

So instead of teaching our kids to reduce or eliminate stress, This is teaching them to manage or mitigate stress so that when they can take all these different little acute stressors that they're presented with throughout the course of the day or their life, if they can mitigate that and re appraise it, and flip their story on it, then those don't build and become chronic stress.

And so, you know, several studies show that people have more of a positive outlook on stress and can view stress as challenging, have better long term health. So, that's it [00:35:00] in a nutshell.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: That is fascinating. And, and I love that. I mean, we can, we can be stressed about being stressed, you know, with, with the amount of information that we have access to now, where we understand the role that stress plays in our health. Um, it can add to an already stressful situation to then add onto that, like, Oh my God, I remember what stress does to the body and what it's doing to me.

Like while I'm in this mode, so just the fact that we can reframe it and we can change the story. I mean, the story is so important just generally about what we're telling ourselves, you know, you talk about the negative self talk and things like that, where we're like focusing and telling ourselves a story that may not even be true.

So, um, that's really powerful.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah, just like you said, like stressed about being stressed. Yeah. Right? It's funny you said that because that's what, um, Jeremy Jameson was saying, like, we've gotten to this point where we're stressed [00:36:00] about being stressed and that's so stressful.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: we change it?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: How do we get out of this downward spiral?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So if you think about, um, like case studies that you, where you've been able to help people get through some major hurdles, um, and maximize their health and well being, what comes up for you?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Um, two things. I have like a nutritional, uh, example and I have a mindset example. Um, the nutrition example was last year working with a cheerleader. Um, and the mindset example is, uh, very fresh. I'm working with this athlete who is injured um, a pretty great volleyball player and hasn't been injured before and is working through what all injured athletes work through, which is this fear of the setback that they're never going to be as good as [00:37:00] they were, that someone's going to take over their position. And, um, just kind of when you're young, you, I always say this, you don't know how to be injured yet. I am so good at being injured. Um, I mean, now when I'm injured, I would, I know exactly what to do. I'm excited to get about, uh, getting back in shape. Now, universe, that doesn't mean I want to be injured. I'm not looking to be injured. I'm also good at preventing injury,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Send in the accidents.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: but, you know, so there's this, this, this fear that these kids have. And so, um, she's going to go to a tournament, a very important tournament, and she's pretty sure she's not going to play. Because, uh, she knows that the coach doesn't think that she's ready yet. And so physically, she feels like she's ready.

Mentally, she's done a lot of work on this. But she's also come to terms with the fact that she might not play. And so her stress, and so let me go back to the Y scale. Um, uh, Jeremy Jamison says that, um, when the resources outweigh [00:38:00] the stress. Then you can view it as a challenge. When the demand overshadows the resources, then you know it's a threat.

And so we worked through that together. We went through, um, We started with actually past experiences, because this is her third tournament, I think, of maybe not playing, but it's the most important. So she's had this, um, experience before, and she made it through it. So we talk about, you know, to kind of save time, we talk about how did you get through?

What were your strategies? So these kids approach is you're the expert in you, and so I'm constantly asking them questions. What do you think you should do? How did it work last time? And so, they're very smart, and they usually are the ones to come up with the answers. And so, we worked through that. We worked through her strengths.

We worked through, um, Her limiting beliefs, her fears, and we, which we had been working on anyway, and we flipped them to some positive mindset mantras. So she had that. We talked about her support network. She's going to [00:39:00] call or text me this weekend if she starts to feel overwhelmed. She's got her mom and dad there. And so she walked away. Feeling and you can see the change. And I mean, even though we were on zoom, you can still see that energy change, right? You're like, okay, completely shifting to I can do this instead of I can't. And so she's going to go off this weekend. She's going to give it a shot. Um, we also talk about, you know, You know, don't, don't create any guilt or shame around not being able to execute this This is a mentality that you're going to take. And the other cool thing, um, study that they show with the, um, looking at stress as a challenge is you actually have, um, nerve growth factor. Uh, chemicals that are nerve growth factors that are produced in the presence of this, I believe I can do it, this challenge stress mentality that actually start to change your brain, right?

That are in charge of that neuroplasticity, which I think is amazing, just the, the neuroscience behind [00:40:00] it too. So I would say I'm excited to see, um, what her results are after this weekend. But it felt like a powerful session with her and to be able to go from this fear of what if I, what if I cry when I'm standing on the bench?

What if I, um, you know, I'm not able to be a leader and a good team player? And what if I regret that when I walk away? And so her goal is to not. And so she has plenty of resources and we're excited to see how she handles that stressor. The nutrition one is I worked with a cheerleader this time, actually this time last year. She had symptoms of IBS. And, uh, had gone to the pediatrician and they basically just diagnosed her with IBS and they were going to put her on medication. , and I did the whole, you know, education, pulled up the slide of like all the symptoms like, Hey, this is you right here. And let's see if we can, you know, leverage your nutrition, you know, changing your nutrition to kind of [00:41:00] mitigate or reduce or eliminate some of your IBS symptoms. So, um, I, I, one of my is the elimination diet, which is three weeks of taking out all of the, you know, um, Potential inflammatory foods that can cause these symptoms and then you slowly add them in every three days to look for symptoms and Usually and so I've done this a lot of times with practitioners who are going to be in Certified functional medicine practitioners one of the things they have to do is they have to go through the elimination diet And it's a really hard thing for adults to do and so I was a little bit apprehensive, right?

It's like giving her this information, you know, let's do what you think you can do, but she said, I'm all in. I want to do all three weeks. So we did it. Mom was amazing. He definitely needs the support of the parent on the other side. Um, I worked with them on food planning, menu planning to make sure that they're, that she's getting enough nutrients.

We want to make sure, especially in athletes [00:42:00] and kids, that they're not, um, taking things out and not getting enough, uh, calories. And so, um, She did it, took everything out, long story short, put everything back in, and it was dairy. And it changed, it literally changed her life because she had anxiety about being at competitions.

She had anxiety about being with friends and eating because she didn't know when she would have to go to the bathroom. Um, and all of that went away and

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Wow.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: so good and empowered and felt like she could be in these social situations and Kudos to her, right? I just guided her through it, but she was the one that was strong.

She was the one that persevered. She was the one that was curious and brave and all of those strengths, right? Watching these kids is so, um,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Motivating and uplifting.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it is. And so yeah, those are, and those are just two, just two examples,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: That's amazing.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: fun to [00:43:00] see kids take control of their health.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes, it's, it is amazing. Just that and the power that we have in understanding how, what we're consuming, whether that is, you know, intaking ingesting, you know, with food and drink. Or whether it is kind of the, the thoughts that we're letting ourselves, feet on for hiking and how that affects us and how we have control over that.

So

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: there's so much hope there too. So, wow, that's so great. So,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: they can walk away with some tools, right? Some stress management tools, some nutrition tools, the understanding of sleep and, and all of that so that they can know what to do when things aren't feeling great.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yeah, well, you're doing some amazing work and I want to just give people a little bit of a, uh, more of a foundation of where all of this. Has come from [00:44:00] because what makes Michelle, Michelle. And so I want to start by first, if you can just tell people about the sweet ride that you drove in high school.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: My Honda Accord station wagon?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes, the wagon.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: the wagon. Oh, so many great memories in that wagon,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes, you rocked the wagon, the station wagon.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't even know where that thing is today. I don't even know when it went away.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: that's very sad.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah, it is.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Let's.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: the wagon made me me.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes. And you owned it. You were, you were awesome with the wagon. Now, tell us about the car wreck in your garage.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: we, when we think about this sweet ride. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: kindness and love. So, um, when we take our character strengths test, the top five [00:45:00] are core to who we are. And that means we don't think about those. We execute through life, um,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Okay.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Okay.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Okay.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: so mine are love, kindness, curiosity. Um, and so I was using love and kindness because my dad, we had our fabric softener. Um, is that what you call it? What do you call that now? Not as fabric softener.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, water softener. Station

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: We lived on a well and the, the salt bags were just in the garage. And I thought to myself, and this is so true. This is so true. I still remember thinking this, you know what I am going. To put those in for my dad because that would be a nice kind of thing to do I think the salt was like in the back of my truck back of my Honda and

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: wagon.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: station wagon So I had the, I'm backing into the garage.

I had the door open, which is never a good idea, because back then,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Because why?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: [00:46:00] cams.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Right.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: backup cams,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Right?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: use our brains and our eyes. So I'm looking out the door to see if I'm close enough to the water

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So door open. Going in reverse. But door is open. Oh

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I knew what was happening, I heard a really loud noise. And you know how your brain just goes click, click, click. But the first thing was, What is that noise? And then it was like, Oh my God, the door just came off of my car. And I had put it, I had pressed the gas too hard. And so I was going in reverse.

It's definitely a Tommy boy situation. If you've seen Tommy boy and my door just literally comes off. My mom comes out of the house and she's like, what are you And here's me trying to be kind. And it's like, come on universe. And. I was like, she, [00:47:00] and I was like, mom, I was just trying to blah, blah. And I'm going through the explanation.

I remember her saying, what do you think we're made of money? I'm like, yeah, mom, I decided that I wanted to take the door off the car today. And so it was this whole, oh my God, it was horrible, but it was because I used my strength of love and kindness, which sometimes your strengths can come back to bite you.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: my God, one of my favorite stories, especially just because you are a very sweet, so such a sweet person who really does have a heart of gold. And, um, And it is just

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: so sweet.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: so hilarious. Okay. So next topic, I want you to tell everyone why June 9th through the

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: when you feel the most conflicted of the year, because you've mentioned that you are 46 years old.

And so you might be at the age where people would assume that you wish you were [00:48:00] younger, but on these days, maybe you feel too young.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Tell us about that.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: when June 9th rolls around, um, Um, I start to feel a little bit jealous of what it would be like to be one year older and all of the amazing things that seem to be happening that I've never experienced, um, that seem to be happening during that window of June 9th through the 14th, um, yeah, and then 15th it all changes, um, so, yeah, and that would be Cara's birthday because Cara was born on June 9th, um, and then I was born on the 15th and she reminds me every So, yeah.

Every year since the day we met how amazing it is to be one year older and even though Kara, I have tried to like I knew that I was like one day when we're old This is gonna benefit me, but still it's like you gaslight me. It's like it's still not Possible for me to say things like oh my god. I feel so young right [00:49:00] now.

It would really be horrible to be 47.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: It's because I'm so distracted by the party that they're throwing for the people who are 47, 46.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: You know what I guess I will never know

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Now, I know it's, it's really a shame that it's because I, I always think this is what it's like to be like this year. When I had my birthday, I turned 46. I had no idea that they just start sending you like Rolexes and.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: do you have your Rolex

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, I didn't wear, I don't like to be flashy on, you know, I like to keep it real, you know, I didn't want to intimidate you, you know, and.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: appreciate that.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: You know, and then the next day it might be that some, you know, beautiful Persian rug just shows up. I didn't even know I wanted one, but it looks amazing. Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: would

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah. It's,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Feel free to send any extras my way

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: you know, the shipping.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: able.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm. Oh, yeah, I lived, I do [00:50:00] live far away. So I'll probably never even see the things

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I know you're just going to take my word for it. And so I'm like trying to share it with you and prepare you like, oh my gosh, you're never going to believe it. It's just, I had no idea. And what do you know? It's limited time.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm. It's only six days.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: know. It's, it's really, it's really too bad. Someday. I'm pulling for you, Michelle.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Maybe this year's the year. We'll see if it happens

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: will see.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm-hmm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I can't wait to see what happens.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh, I can't wait for the text.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Right.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm-hmm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So next I have a new segment on Soul Elevation called, How Well Do You Remember Algebra? Subtitle, a tribute to Mr. Rocky.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: okay. Okay.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So, how far can you take pi?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't remember that one.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: No?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Do you want me to see if I can, how far I can take it?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: 1 5 9 2 [00:51:00] 6. Five four. One more

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes, you did it! You did it! Oh my God, 20 years later, every time, I'm like, I can take Pi further than people I know.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: isn't it almost like 30 years later?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: No, is it? Is it?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah. Yes.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: You're right!

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: We are that old.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Okay, that just blew my mind.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I know, right? Right?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: my gosh. Okay.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Wow. Okay. So, um, Name one of Mr. Rocky's rhymes or clues that help you remember formulas.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Hmm. Hebed and Dekel, lift the lid.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh my gosh. Tell me this one. No. What's this one?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't even know what it was, why don't I know what it was for?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: it again.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Hebeden Deckel? It was like a, is it German or something for lift the lid? Hebeden Deckel! I can only remember him saying that and I'm trying to remember what it was lift the lid.

Was it [00:52:00] some sort of,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Maybe long division thing.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: or, um, would be another reason, square root or I don't know. I

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Hmm.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I must not have learned from it, but I remember it.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Okay. So Mr. Rocky was an algebra teacher and he was hilarious. And so one of, and he would have these little rhymes to help you try to remember formulas. So do you remember if he were to say first man on earth? What do you do with these, what do you do with these integers? First man on earth,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't know.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Adam.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh, man, Kara, you are, you have a better memory

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: know because the heaped and deckle, that doesn't even sound familiar. We're going to have to verify your sources.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: wonder how many years he used those because he was, that was, he was young when we were there, right?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: do you think he's still teaching?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: know, I know

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: He's retired. Oh, he's a, he's teaching [00:53:00] up here. He's still going, still going up here.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: still in our brains.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: You're right. So how do you find the area of a circle?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't know.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Pi R square. Pi R not square. Pi

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: pi R

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: round.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Man, Kara, and guess what? Math was my strength, too, and I still don't remember it. well,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: a lot of math lately,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: he was

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: isn't so good.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: your, well, you know, now we have the phones and we just, I can chat GPT it. You can be like, just tell me what, how do I find the area of a circle and why should I

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Right, I think education is gonna have to change because of that. All the information is out there.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: write? I know. I know it will be really

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: through it. We have to learn how to sift through it.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: right. Yes. We've got to know how to ask better questions.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I think that's it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: yeah. Uh

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: [00:54:00] Good point.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So I couldn't help but notice that in the course of our whole discussion, you did not break out into song. So do your clients know that you have the most beautiful singing voice in all the land?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Let me tell you something. Um, back to the oldness. And I am now way outperformed by Greta.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Really?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: could hear Greta sing, She is, has literally the voice of an angel. She is so talented, which for me, I like to take a little bit of credit cause I know it's my DNA. So I'm like, that is, you know, you look at your kids and you're just like, is that me? Is that me? Like she wanders around the house and sings like, like, like without noticing it, like I do. And I'm like. That is my kid, that is my DNA, but her voice, I'm done, I have retired my voice, except for the shower, because she's so much [00:55:00] better than me, and if I could just get her to sing for the world, that would be, um, that's one of my goals, and so she'll sing around the house, and unbelievable, unbelievable voice,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, I know how that feels because I, I went through my teenage years, like, how is nobody hearing this? It is amazing. So do you feel like your voice has changed? Or is it just out of comparison?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I, out of comparison, I mean, I think your voice changed, especially if you're not, it's like, you know, if you're a runner and you don't run, if you're a weightlifter and you don't lift, like, things change, right? And so I think because I stopped singing and I didn't go through voice lessons, I think it's just kind of is. Whereas, I noticed it in her at a very young age, and so I put her in voice lessons. And I had her do these little performances, you know, at the local, um, music, uh, Music theater and so she's still in voice lessons every once in a while So I feel like I've she [00:56:00] had the better DNA and that I helped kind of like, you know Emphasize that like train that in her.

So yeah, she's definitely way better. It's not just that That I'm older. It's that she's way better

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, I remember So clearly like, you know sleepovers and things like that and you would just break out into song And then it would make me think that I could sing really well and it was like maybe if I just do it louder This is the problem because you could sing really loudly and i'm like it's that i'm not Really getting my diaphragm involved here And

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it was

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: right.

And, and I just, I never quite could get it tuned in. I, there was just something special going on with you, Michelle.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: what? But you persevered, and you tried your best, and you believed in yourself even when you weren't able to execute, and that, that is a great personality. Yeah. I love that you [00:57:00] say that I could always sing loud. That is the one thing I beat Greta in, is when she's singing, sometimes I will chime in as the duet, and I can, and sometimes she'll accept it, and other times she'll just trail off, and I'm all like, Man,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: had a thing.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: of this, but I can sing loud. I'm like, ah, she's like, how do you sing so loud? And I'm like, well, that's one thing I've got on you.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, in your house,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: good, but I'm loud.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: the, the house that you, not the last one that your parents still live in, but the other one, they had these big cathedral se ceilings and that just added a whole other element to it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it did. Cara, I love that you are remembering my voice so much that it was, that made an impression on

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh my gosh. That's it. It you and your voice are like, did they just inseparable? And it just, this incredible, yeah, it's just an incredible talent. Don't ever take it for granted.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Thank

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: And you are never inquire. You,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: [00:58:00] No.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: did you do instead?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was in band.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: And what, what chair were you and which instrument,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was first chair. entire time. And I played the clarinet.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: right? And did you, or did you not take private clarinet lessons to secure? Your throne.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: That is a yes. I did. I did. And I dreaded them every time. I remember like practicing like 30 minutes before I had to go. Yeah. decide if I wanted that or if my dad wanted that. Hmm. Can't remember.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: So funny that you, you had this incredible, well, you're just like musically inclined, obviously, because you had.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: know what the problem is? Honestly, like, I think back on this. I needed a health coach. I needed somebody to help me work through the anxieties of singing in front of people. Here I have [00:59:00] this talent, which is why I'm trying to get Greta to get out of her, like, comfort zone on this. It's like, Let's take who we are and let's

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Shine a light on it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: let's shine a light.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: But I had fear. I had anxiety there. I don't even think we used the word anxiety back then. I don't know when the word anxiety came about, but I don't think we had it in the nineties.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: don't think so.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: right. It just was a thing or you didn't talk about it. You just kind of walked

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Just suck it up. God. Just suck it up. Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: fine. You're going to be just fine. Yeah. That's a great one. So yeah, so if I would have had a health coach to kind of reappraise the stress of um, singing in front of people, I probably could have persevered, but I

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: But then you went, you went the clarinet, the clarinet route and you nailed it. And meanwhile, I, I was in the band for of like a month in sixth grade. We were, we were both clarinet ERs.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Do you know [01:00:00] what, Kara? That, that is where I met you then. It was band first, and then we are in science, because the only thing I remember about you

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I know what you're gonna say.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: is tying somebody's shoestrings together.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was like, What is that chick doing?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: It was pretty much anything I could do to get around playing the clarinet, which is why I was very securely in the bottom three of

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: you?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: very, I had a very secure spot. My other secret in case anybody wants to know how to stay in the bottom of the clarinet group

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Okay.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: is we were supposed to practice every day and we had to time ourselves and report.

We had a log, we had a practice log

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: right, you're

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: and it included the time putting the clarinet together, cleaning it and taking it apart. And I. That was my jam. [01:01:00] I spent,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: good at prep and dismount,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yes, I, I, that was really where I shined. Shown? Um,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: know, we'll just ask chat, chibi

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yes, I will. I'll, I'll have to put a note in the show notes. Um, but that was really, I spent a disorderly amount of time, disproportionate amount of time, assembling, disassembling and cleaning, but I really had a clean clarinet.

So there.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I think really I won

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah, I think you probably did because now I would really appreciate, if my kid had a clarinet, that it would be really clean and not dirty. Ha ha ha ha.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh my goodness. Um, okay. Just a couple of more questions for you. One.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it. Yeah, what's next?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: All right. Was there, or was there not a painted mural on your kitchen wall that featured slaughtered animals? And if so, how [01:02:00] has this informed your career in nutrition?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Ha ha ha. I wish, I wish that there was a picture of that and I don't know why there's not a picture of that.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: There's they, Oh, did they paint over it? Your parents? It

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: or wallpapered. I can't, isn't that funny? I don't know

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: still exists up here in my, in my memory.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: there. And, um, you know, in, in the world of, uh, psychology in normalization for adaptation, um, think,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I love where we're going with this. Okay.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I really normalized that that was something that was okay to be on your wall in the kitchen.

Um, but those of us who know Bob and love him, uh, and see this as this ability to joke about this is very endearing because it was a coping mechanism. We had to, we had to, to joke about it because it was so [01:03:00] over the top. Um. it was a meat locker. It was a, it was a mural of a meat locker in my kitchen and I just remember the lady coming over for many days in a row, painting that thing and then bringing her family over at the end of it to kind of show them and of my strengths is social intelligence and I remember standing in front of her thinking, she is not here to show off this work. She is here

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: To be like, it's true. This is what I got hired to do. They're like, no, it's not true.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: thought to ask her? Are you a vegan? Like, are you Can you imagine if she was and she had to like look at that every day? Oh my god.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Cause it was, when you say meat locker, it's like we're picture pioneer times. And there's like this

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: and outside of the shed, there is a [01:04:00] chicken that's been gutted or something.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: even know what was Was it a chicken? Was it a pig?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: There were two things, right? There was like a,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: there was a bird and maybe a rabbit,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: game carcass. I feel like there was more like a bigger game

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yeah, hanging carcasses. The point is there were hanging carcasses and this is where your family would prepare and eat. Now, I'm not saying causation, like this is where we can get in a whole debate, causation versus correlation, but I have been a vegetarian for like 20 blank years, or maybe 30. I don't know how to do math anymore.

Apparently I need Mr. Rocky.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: is do we blame this on Bob

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Maybe he has a lot to answer for.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Oh my god, I love this. I love this. Yep. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say yeah. That, I, that was obviously, um, impactful.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: To you.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: it was, it was, and it was a lot of fun [01:05:00] conversation with

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I don't

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: our friends.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: that was there. I don't even know how long that was there when it got covered up. Like, how long did we have that exposed? I don't

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: While, I mean the whole time that I was ever there. So, although I went,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: to college, maybe they changed

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: maybe I went to,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: out to Oregon. I don't know.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I don't know. Cause I do remember coming back when your oldest and my oldest were like toddlers. And you came to visit and I went down to your parents house and I don't think it was then. So that would have been like seven, 16 or 17 years ago.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: know.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: so many great memories like

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Do you ever wonder the things that our kids are going to say about us? Like, oh my gosh, can you believe that mom and dad, da, da, da, da, da? I'm really trying to, um, remain sane and, um, And aware, uh, yeah, as I get

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: But then are their stories going to be as fun?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: you're right. No, they're not. They're

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I mean, your parents are awesome.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: [01:06:00] They are

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: They're so fun and so funny.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: My

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: She is.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: now with my Aunt Donna and she's living her best life. Yeah,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh my gosh.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: a cruise. Nobody, none of our family members ever wanted to go on a cruise.

And so she's there right

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, that makes me happy. She's so awesome.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: home

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: all of his chores. So they're both happy.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: both

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, awesome. Well, just one more question. I want to know about the future version of yourself and your regenerative farming. Should I ask chat GPT about this?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: how did I not know this was coming? Okay, so on an alter, in an alternative universe, um, I am a farmer, um, and I mean, I really, I, I glorify the idea of a farmer until I got like an hour into that show. What did I, what was I called? The Biggest Little Farm? The Biggest Little Farm. If you haven't watched The Biggest Little Farm, it's about this like, regenerative farm, or whatever that this couple start on their own. then it was [01:07:00] like, when they had to kill all the bugs, and then they had to like, deliver baby pigs, and then when the coyotes were killing the chickens. I was like, you know what? I, I don't think this is for

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: This got real.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I'll keep that idea out here. But I really, um, appreciate the farmers out there who are farming the way that the earth wants to be farmed, and the cows are eating the grass, and moving from pasture to pasture, and the soil is regenerating, and

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh, it's so important.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: of minerals,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: chickens are happy.

So I feel good, because I'm a meat eater, that I, Eat grass fed, regenerative beef, or, you know, not just free range, but pasture raised chickens, like that kind of stuff is important to me because I want the animals to be healthy and happy until the end.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Do you have a preference of what their car what happens to their carcasses? They should they be strung up on a tree outside of [01:08:00] a shed?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: After, after they're petted to sleep with, in a very, I don't know, just like given some sort of pill to fall asleep and then they just die, yeah, yeah, don't want there to be any violence surrounded by that,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: well, and and why did this come up? Because that was a great story.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: okay. Well, because we were talking about, um, chat GPT, which is amazing,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: you were doing a bio, remember, for this show, you were going to give me a bio.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was going to give Cara a bio and those of you who have not used ChatGBT, ChatGBT stores everything you ever put in and it knows you. It has an identity. So I was messing around with it and I said, please create a bio for a podcast.

That's all I said. And boom, boom, boom, it nailed so many things. And then at the very end it said, And in Michelle's spare time, she, uh, what does it say? In her [01:09:00] spare time, she participates in her love of regenerative farming, or something like that.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: And then you're like,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: me laugh

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: you're just like trusting it so much. You're like, wait, do I?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I was like, I actually liked the way it viewed me, right?

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: You're like, I want to be that person.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: My dream, it

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yes.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: my dream for me, right? It created that cognitive dissonance of like, oh, here's where I'm supposed to be, here's where I am, now what do I need to get, to get there,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, and here's a fun thought experiment of like, chat GPT is this intelligence that could span dimensions. So is it accessing a dimension or a parallel version of your, another timeline where in your spare time, you enjoy regenerative farming?

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: In my spare time. Kara, I actually, I'm gonna go with a yes.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I'm going to say,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: agree on that. Because things that I have thought about in the future, like [01:10:00] visions that I see of like what I'm going to be doing. Those have come true.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: And so, now that we put regenerative farming out there many times now, between the two of us over the last two weeks, um, I think it's there.

And so, I just need to find a piece of property, I need to sell my house, I need to get my kids in college, Scout's coming with me, she's right here.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Hi, scalp. I

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: And John is gonna be a farmer. I think that John's stress level would drastically reduce if he could just be out in the elements and, and

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: think John,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: of farming.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: John could rock some overalls. He would in a flannel shirt. I think he could totally, he could totally rock that.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: he's really good at the cowboy getup. 

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Oh yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: on,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: we go.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: boots,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: bit of straw hanging out of the corner of his mouth.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Yeah.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: John Dole, parallel life.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: it, yep,

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: love it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: we're putting it out

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I love with the regenerative farming.

One thing it makes me [01:11:00] think of is like, I'll see, cause the area where I live, it's, it's just getting so, and so, so much developed, like almost overdeveloped where, yeah, we have some parks, but there's just not like wild green space. Um,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: neighborhood where it's just this undeveloped land.

And I, I have this vision every time I look at this, well, maybe not every time because I see it like multiple times a day, but

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: think like, I just, I appreciate this wild

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: it's just a small plot, but it's got trees and it's got, it's got an ecosystem. Again, it's a tiny little bit of land, but what it makes me think of is I feel like there's a movement coming where people will like actively appreciate this to the extent.

That they will purchase undeveloped land just to hold on to it, not to build a home on it, not to [01:12:00] make it commercial space, but like literally just to preserve it. And they don't even want to do anything with it. And of course, like this land is owned by somebody and for the minute they're not doing anything with it, but I don't know the intentionality behind it.

And I feel like it's only a matter of time before it's either houses are put on it or commercial. And I, I mean, it just feels inevitable, especially where I live, where it's like the dollar is, is the most important thing. And if we can make money off of the land, like we're going to do it, but I feel like, especially with this younger generation, there will be like this understanding of the value of just having wild space and like.

The, the, the benefit that we get as people in just having that around, and it's not even like agriculture. It's just literally like what the land wants to do is what it's doing.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I would love to see that.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I would, I would love to see that too. I mean, think about when you say that, I think of like, [01:13:00] okay, we've got national parks, we've got state parks, we've got city parks, and now we can have personal parks, right? Of just recapturing land like that. I would say that's one of the great things about living out in Oregon is, The weather is horrible right now.

Horrible. Like pouring down. Today it's actually sunny, but like the amount of rain between like November and April, May is just sometimes unbearable where you're just like, I need to see the sun. But the benefit of that. Flipping that is it is so green and there is this park right down the street from us called Wilderness Park and there's these beautiful tall old growth trees and I go walk through it every morning with Scout and I get to breathe in the oxygen of the trees and every time I get in the car, I'll look at my face and I swear I look like I've had a facial

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Mmm,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: just being connected to the earth like that. It's definitely part of a huge part of what we're [01:14:00] missing now as

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: and our wellness is not being connected to the earth. I mean, it's great. I'm grateful that we have houses. I'm grateful that we have trees, but it's like our bodies were made to be connected to that magnetic field, right?

Like, you know, and we take that away and you just got to wonder like how much of, of chronic illness is because of that. And I thought about that too, when I was walking Scout yesterday, I was like, I'm so grateful that I get to get out in the elements a lot. I get to go run through forests. I get to go ski through, you know, in the mountains. Um, John and I went running and pouring down rain on Saturday and like some people don't. out in the elements, and I feel like that's a huge part of health is just exposing yourself to these different elements connecting to the earth. And yeah, if people could just buy up more land in green space and start creating more green space, then that would be really beneficial to us

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: I feel like it'll be a movement that people are just purchasing [01:15:00] and rewilding and like tearing down.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: like manmade structures where it's like, okay, there's a dilapidated house. We're going to tear that down,

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: rid of it, and then just let nature happen.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Let the ecosystems move and change and

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: I love that.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: okay.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: call that in. Let's call it in, Michelle.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: let's call it in. Well, you put it out there in the universe and you, let's watch for

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Yeah, let's do it.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Mm hmm.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Well, you are just amazing. You are just this, I'm so, so grateful that you've been in my life for all these years. And I'm so proud of you and everything that you're doing to help people and to make this world a better place. Just keep doing it. I love you so much. Thank you for being here.

michelle-doel-_2_02-26-2025_090340: Cara, thanks for having me and right back at you. Thank you. I appreciate you. I love you. Thanks for letting me share my story and, um, being the listener on the other side and keeping your humor as [01:16:00] you always do. Love it. Love you.

kara-goodwin_2_02-26-2025_120340: Thank you. 

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